“Paolo” returns for more IDiot nonsense.

Posted by Les on Thursday, October 05, 2006 at 09:16 PM. Read 1239 times. Tags: , ,
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Amazingly enough he actually responded again. I’m going to post my last reply to him here along with his latest missive so you can see things in context, then I’ll send him a reply pointing to this thread. We’ll see if he’s willing to take the discussion public. First, my last reply to him:

    Paolo wrote:

    Hi Les,
    Just quote me 1 fact in support of evolution! just one!

    Sure thing.

    The Theory of Evolution makes a number of predictions one of which is the fundamental nature of life, also known as common descent. It proposes that all of life is descended from a single species at some point in the past. All living things share four things in common (1) replication, (2) heritability (characteristics of descendents are correlated with those of ancestors), (3) catalysis, and (4) energy utilization (metabolism). There are five confirmations of this prediction:

    1. The common polymers of life. Despite the amazing diversity of form life takes it all uses the same polymers to accomplish the four basic functions I listed above. There’s all manner of polymers out there, we’ve even invented a few never seen before, but all life relies on the same basic set consisting of polynucleotides, polypeptides, and polysaccharides.
    2. Nucleic acids are the genetic material of life. All known life uses the same polymer (polynucleotide) for storing data (DNA) about the species. All known organisms base replication on the duplication of that molecule. All known life uses the same four nucleosides to make DNA despite the fact that there are dozens of nucleosides that could have been used.
    3. Protein catalysis. In order for the functions of life to take place all organisms must be able to catalyze chemical reactions. In all known life enzymatic catalysis is possible because of the abilities provided by protein molecules. Despite there being over 390 naturally occurring amino acids all known life uses the same set of 22 to work their magic.
    4. The Universal Genetic Code. All known organisms use the same genetic code for transmitting information from the genetic material to the catalytic material.
    5. Common Metabolism. Almost all known life uses the same metabolic pathways and metabolic enzymes in processing energy-containing molecules.

    All five of the above statements are facts about all known life discovered to date. All five of those facts support the prediction of common decent. You asked for one fact and I’ve given you five and that’s not even scratching the surface.

    It´s a religion and in order to believe it you have to have faith.

    It is not a religion and your claim that it is a religion shows your ignorance not only of what the Theory of Evolution actually is, but what a religion actually is. Show me the Evolution Churches or examples of the hymns sung to its glory. It doesn’t take faith to accept Evolution as true, it just takes a decent education.

    Evolution keeps on adjusting its statements as soon as new evidence that disproves it come up.

    Here’s a shocker: All scientific theories adjust their statements when new evidence comes along. Aspects of the theory have had to be revised or discarded as new evidence came to be known, but the entire theory as a whole has held up remarkably well. Revision with new evidence is the nature of science, as opposed to a religion where no matter what kind of evidence might show it to be wrong people still believe in it anyway.

    Look for instance at the finding of soft tissues and blood vessels of dinosaurs recently, instead of dismissing that dinosaurs have lived 65 millions of years ago they say :” Wow blood vessels can keep soft for that long ??!...”
    It beggars belief that elastic tissue like this could have lasted for 65 million years.
    Soft tissues like blood vessels should not be there if the bones were 65 million years old.
    How could these cells last for 65 million years?

    That’s not what they said at all. Those tissues were not soft when they were found. They were rehydrated by the process of removing the surrounding mineral components of the bone. It’s also not known if the soft tissues were even original material from the fossil.

    The really idiotic part of your claim, however, is the simple fact that if the age of the Earth is only 6,000 years or so then we should expect to find examples of soft tissue in fossils quite often. Samples of DNA have been recovered from fossils more than 300,000 years old so anything in the 6,000 range would stand a pretty good chance of having soft tissues and it wouldn’t be a major news story.

    Unfortunately, the long-age paradigm is so dominant that facts alone will not readily overturn it.  What generally happens when a discovery contradicts a paradigm is that the paradigm is not discarded but modified, usually by making secondary assumptions, to accommodate the new evidence.
    So will this new evidence cause anyone to stand up and say there’s something funny about the emperor’s clothes? Not likely. Instead, it will almost certainly become an “accepted” phenomenon that even “stretchy” soft tissues must be somehow capable of surviving for millions of years.

    That’s a pretty laughable statement for you to make when it’s clear you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about.

    I am amazed at the faith of certain people, it would make fanatic fundamentalist out of them and in fact they are !
    They keep on beliving against all odds .

    So we can add ignorance of how to calculate odds to your list of skills, eh? Figures.

    Les

His latest reply is after the jump.

    Paolo writes…

    Hi Les,
    how are you doing?
    I see you did your home work,
    very good, here we go…

    To prove the common descent theory you need a commodity such as time, that´s why you guys love long numbers when you talk about life on earth.
    But paradoxically the very thing you need the most turns out to be your worst enemy especially in the common descent theory.
    If it´s true that we all come from a common ancestor
    where are the transitional forms ?
    Shouldn´t we be submerged with missing links proving the GREAT TRUTH after billions of years of life ?
    (by the way you don´t need a church or to sing hymns to be religious.
    believing without seing it´s enough)

    Look at what your friend says:
    “… if my theory be true, numberless intermediate varieties, linking closely together all the species of the same group, must assuredly have existed; ........... Consequently evidence of their former existence could be found only amongst fossil remains ......”
    (Darwin,Origin, Chapter Six: Absence or Rarity of Transitional Varieties.)


    Les if evolution did occur, one would expect to find a gradual series of fossils embedded in the rocks, from simple to one-celled creatures, then two-celled creatures, on and on with greater complexity until you have the sponges and algae, the chordates and the trilobites and all of the invertebrates, then the vertebrates appearing , these last including fish, amphibians, reptiles, and man. That is only the Animal Kingdom, there is still the Plant Kingdom to be considered, with grapes and giant sequoia trees, carrots and flowers, potatoes and lawngrass, all of which supposedly evolved from the same common ancestor, according to evolutionists.

    I leave you with Darwin´s own admission:
    Have a great weekend Les.
    To the question why we do not find rich fossiliferous deposits belonging to these assumed earliest periods prior to the Cambrian system I can give no satisfactory answer . . . Nevertheless, the difficulty of assigning any good reason for the absence of vast piles of strata rich in fossils beneath the Cambrian system is very great.

You’ll note he simply ignores everything in my reply to him and moves on to the next idiotic argument cut and pasted from his favorite Creationist website. Facts don’t phase him, logic can’t penetrate his thick skull, he’s completely reality immune. Have at it.

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zilch Austria Posted on 11/07/2006 at 03:24 AM

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I imagine lots of you have also heard from paolo by now.  For those who have missed out, here’s the mail he just sent me, with a link to our thread here:

That’s the idiot you trust.
Making up non-existing conversations to fuel his decrepit ego.
For the real transcription go to Atheism vs Christianity forum.
Your man of the hour is a hoaxer.
And you are his sheep.

Unfortunately, or perhaps fortunately (life is short!) paolo didn’t provide a link to the particular “Atheism vs Christianity forum” he meant for us sheep, so we could see where the hoaxer is leading us.  Baad baad paolo.

In other news: Japanese fishers just caught a dolphin with hindlimbs.

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zilch Austria Posted on 11/07/2006 at 04:19 AM

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Okay, I did a bit of digging, and came up with this gem of mind-bending inanity, right up there with the Body Thetans and the Raelians: God is Gravity!.  A sample from the abstract:

As Relativists know, the eigenvector of the spacetime metric is caused by mass and is called Gravity.  As we shall demonstrate, the eigenvector of the psychometry metric is caused by brain growth and is called “God”.  Since real space causes psychometry space, God is caused by Gravity.

It’s not clear whether this was written by paolo or merely quoted, but he posted it.  Warning: may cause brain meltdown.

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LuckyJohn19 Australia Posted on 11/07/2006 at 04:35 AM

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paola: For the real transcription go to Atheism vs Christianity forum.

Yep, did that and found some paolathingy and Jonathan Brandmeier entries - here‘s his profile.
He’s a busy little fundie.  LOL
I must say I’m rather disappointed in not receiving a personal email.  wink

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Consigliere United States Posted on 11/07/2006 at 04:54 AM

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455 posts in two months?  This guy blathers on more than you do LJ.

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LuckyJohn19 Australia Posted on 11/07/2006 at 06:52 AM

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So, did you vote Democrat today, Consi?

This guy blathers on more than you do LJ.

Thanks Consi; I’m sure it was meant as a compliment.  wink
Yep. You’ve made 566 entries in 2 years and I’ve made 1096 in one year.
But we all know the comments you make come from a vastly superior intelligence and therefore are very important whereas the comments I make come from an inferior intelligence and rate nil on the Richter scale.
Why does that not concern me.  LOL

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Les United States Posted on 11/07/2006 at 10:33 AM

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The thing is I don’t think the Paolo who sent you guys the email (and who’s been email-stalking me for the past couple of days) and the guy I was responding to in the original entry here are the same dude. The Paolo in this entry is way more articulate and intelligent sounding than the one who’s been harassing us the past day or so.

Though I suppose it’s possible his fundamentalism may have finally driven him batshit insane.

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LuckyJohn19 Australia Posted on 11/08/2006 at 04:33 AM

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Maybe he has multiple-personality disorder (MPD) like Edward Norton (didn’t have) in Primal Fear .... or worser still - m m m maybe he’s a Gemini.  wink

I read a very good novel last year: Matt Ruff - Set This House in Order - about a coupla people with MPD. It was an interesting ride - it even had a happy ending, sorta.

Book Review: Ruff also has the ability to draw a character so vividly, that I started thinking of Andy and Penny’s other personalities as legitimate characters in this book.

So did I.  LOL

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