Homosexuality is a developmental malfunction of the mind.

Are you certain that attitude isn’t a developmental malfunction of the mind?

Mrs. SEB Just because one is capable of loving someone of either sex does not mean they tend toward 2 (or more) at a time.

I get hung up on one and that’s almost too much for me. I tend to invest too much interest.

(I know, I know, I never post and now you guys can’t shut me up. Maybe this’ll get me over my commenter’s block.)

Les

: ...I have a much larger gay audience than I previously thought.

That doesn’t make you a fag hag does it?

> We need a pumpkin smiley, Les.

Moloch: Homosexuality is not natural. If they want to go against nature, good for them. They can’t biologically have kids. They should also not be allowed to adopt kids.

You’re entitled to your views, but given that you probably don’t think that interracial marriage is “natural” either, I see no reason to take your input seriously.

Homosexuality is a developmental malfunction of the mind.

Replace the word “homosexuality” with “racism,“ “sexism,“ or “homophobia” and you’ll be making a statement that’s closer to the truth.

Anyway, to supplement my above post, I’ve been hit on a few times by other women. I usually appreciate it more than when I’m hit on by guys (with the obvious exception of KPG, of course ), even though I’m primarily attracted to men.

Also, three of my best male friends—Pete, Andy, and Harold—are gay. I’d say that they’ve consistently been some of my best friends in general, male or female. Then again, I also have great lesbian friends, most notably Jessie and Elle (both of whom I’ve experimented with on numerous occasions).

Anyway, to supplement my above post, I’ve been hit on a few times by other women. I usually appreciate it more than when I’m hit on by guys (with the obvious exception of KPG, of course ), even though I’m primarily attracted to men.

Hahahaha… you know, I am primarily straight myself but I feel that way too.  I also found that a higher percentage of girls that hit on me showed MUCH more respect when I turned them down than guys I’ve turned down. 

Go figure!

given that you probably don’t think that interracial marriage is “natural” either

I don’t think marriage at all is natural. Humans (and all apes in general) are not naturally monogamous. If they were, married men would not have lustful thoughts about other women, porn would be almost nonexistent, and polygamy wouldn’t be so damned appealing. Marriage is part of culture, not nature.

(both of whom I’ve experimented with on numerous occasions).

Thank you for that image. 

Sexuality, like any other human or animal attribute, is distributed on a bell curve. There are total homo and total hetero and everything in between, and all are, more or less, normal. You will note that the vast majority are some degree of bi-sexual, which I believe, is actually the “norm.“ Then there are the aberrant ones who defy socially acceptable behavior, i.e., the predators (rapists, pedophiles, etc). Most of these acts are not primarily sexual, but power plays, according to social scientists and psychiatrists. Those who feel threatened or very unconfortable about activities on the normal bell curve may have some issues of their own, like bigotry. Bigotry appears to be based on the herd instinct for survival, if it’s different, kill it because it threatens the herd. Humans are capable of control over herd instinct by our higher intellect, when we choose to use it. 

Sexy Sadie:

The fact that “homophobia” etymologically implies an irrational fear can be in principle misleading, since it is commonly used to indicate any opposition to homosexuality on any basis. Moreover, “clinical homophobia” is not listed in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homophobia

It appears to me that this term, homophobia, just means one who is against something the LGBT movement favors.  Other than that, it appears to be devoid of any meaning.

Moloch:

and polygamy wouldn’t be so damned appealing.

More than one woman to say, “I’m wrong, you’re right, I’m sorry” to?  Screw that!  That doesn’t sound appealing at all!

Variety being the spice of life is appealing, but not polygamy.

leguru:

Sexuality, like any other human or animal attribute, is distributed on a bell curve.

What is your source?

As Billy Bragg once sang:
Sexuality - strong and warm and wild and free
Sexuality - your laws do not apply to me
Sexuality - dont threaten me with misery
Sexuality - I demand equality

Of course Teh Ghey!!! freaks a few people out, since they can’t comprehend that gay people want to work, cook dinner, fart and live their lives without being attacked for existing.

All is know is, I could never become a homophobe. I’m too big of an Elton John fan, like Mr. Brock too.

It’s funny how America claims to be the land of the free where everyone is supposed to be equal, yet two gay men who love each other can’t be married.

Pathetic.

Moloch said: Thank you for that image.

Why is it people think gay ‘men’ are evil and unnatural, but get 2 women together and wooooah!  The Moloch’s of the world start typing with one hand.  Ugh.  Gay is gay. 

And Moloch, I’m really ok that being gay is not natural for you.  To each his own.  But it’s 100% natural for me, and 10 - 37% of the population of the world. 

Moloch, where is your proof of homosexuality being ‘not natural’.  Oh, and here’s a complete list of animals for which there is documented evidence of homosexual or transgender behavior of one or more of the following kinds: sex, courtship, affection, pair bonding, or parenting.

Enjoy!

jeffercine:

I’m not going to defend Moloch at all.  However, the figure from Kinsey that you give is grossly inflated.  Most telling that the figure is inflated is that in the friend of the court brief filed in Lawrence v. Texas by gay rights advocates, the figure they use when bound by an oath not to misrepresent the facts to the Court, that figure was 2.8%.  Surely if the figure was 10%, 4 times greater, they would have said that to make their case all the more persuasive.

Studies over the last 15 years have yielded remarkably similar results.  The figure is anywhere between 1-4%.

DOF:

There are numerous examples of polycephaly amongst many members of the animal kingdom, including humans.  Do you believe that polycephaly is “natural” in the same manner as you are presenting homosexuality?

What are your feelings on the issue?

Homosexuals are no different than you or I except that they like the other sex and dress well.  But seriously, not allowing them the same amenities as heterosexuals makes little sense to me.  Personally, I could care less what they do, it is there life, and who the fuck am I to tell them they cannot do what they wish (as long as they don’t want to hurt anyone).

What evidence supports your belief, thoughts, ideas etc?

As far as evidence goes, I have yet to see any credible studies that show a negative effect to having homosexuals raise children.  The whole problem (as do most other problems in our society) basically come from a stupid religious belief.  I really found it to be quite interesting though that my parents are harshly against homosexuals and allowing them to get married.  I ask my father if I was gay if he would support me getting married, and my wedding.  He said no!  My girlfriend’s parents are very much the opposite on the issue but are much more religious than my parents, which is odd on the one hand.  But very refreshing on the other.

Why did you come about with those feelings, beliefs, thoughts, etc?

Even though my parents are against it, it never made sense to me to discriminate.

What do you feel or think about gay rights in terms of marriage, tax status, etc?

I think homosexuals deserve the same right we heterosexuals deserve.  Why?  Because they are a human being just like you and me.

Have you ever met a gay person or know one personally?  What were they like?

I have met a few gay people and my feelings toward them are the same as any other human.

Have you ever been approached by someone that is gay?  What was your reaction etc?

No, or at least if I was I never knew it.  My girlfriend tells me that it would be a complement though.  I went to a gay bar once with my brother though.  Not only was it a whole lot more fun than most other bars, but my brother sort of got hit on.  We were playing pool, and when my brother leaned over for a shot, I noticed another guy checking out his ass.

Thanks to everyone for posting, I really enjoyed reading your responses.  I must say I am also glad to see the overwhelming support their seems to be here for gay rights.

Consi: I’m kinda surprised given your background and intelligence that you are against gay marriage.  I also think that the 10% would be an understatement if you counted all of the closet homosexuals, and those afraid to admit it because of family, religion, culture, etc.
Brock: sorry your interactions had to be so negative.  But if I had to guess, I would say your personal beliefs clouded how you saw the homosexuals you came in contact with
Prickly Pear: right on borther!  I too think the government should stay the fuck out of our lives.
LJ: Fucking funny as always.
DOF: I too suffer from the same problem of not knowing when someone is hitting on me.  Which is why I am glad to be in a stable relationship.
Mrs. SEB: I too wish that gay people wouldn’t be equated with pedophilia.  I heard a Catholic priest that was forced to resign talk on NPR.  He was forced out because he came out of the closet, and not because he had forced little boys to have sex with him.  It is a shame for sure.
Les: I was kind of surprised too.  I am glad to say that SEB has diverse group.  It makes these topics that much more interesting.
Sexy Sadie: I too would appreciate being hit on by a guy more than a gal.
TheBo$$: Great reason for not being homophobic.

Consigliere said: There are numerous examples of polycephaly amongst many members of the animal kingdom, including humans.  Do you believe that polycephaly is “natural” in the same manner as you are presenting homosexuality?

Polycephaly is a congenital disorder.  From the context of this discussion, are you saying that you believe that somebody who has a congenital disorder should not be allowed to marry?

From the context of this discussion, are you saying that you believe that somebody who has a congenital disorder should not be allowed to marry?

I have not said any such thing.  I’ve asked DOF a question.  My question still stands.

[regarding incidence of gays in the general population] Studies over the last 15 years have yielded remarkably similar results.  The figure is anywhere between 1-4%.

I doubt that anybody can can say with any degree of certainty what the incidence of homosexuality is in the general population.  Gay people do not have any known physical characteristics that can be used to identify them as being gay and many gay people have no outward signs of being gay, how did the studies determine who was gay?  Relying upon self identification is unreliable and likely to be biased.  In all of those studies, were any objective tests done to determine whether the subjects were straight or gay? 

I believe that between 5% and 10% of the eneral population is gay, perhaps higher depending upon how bisexual individuals are classified.  A significant number of gay people will not admit to themselves that they are gay.  I know this because I was one of them, and I know of many guys who denied that they were gay until later in life After they finally admit to themselves that they are gay, they start realizing that so many things that felt wrong to them in the past are actually normal feeling for somebody who is gay.

There are numerous examples of polycephaly amongst many members of the animal kingdom, including humans.  Do you believe that polycephaly is “natural” in the same manner as you are presenting homosexuality?

Polycephaly is not analogous to homosexuality.
LOL.

One is an -observable malfunction- of a process (the fertilised egg *failing* to properly split).  In contrast, homosexuality is a physiological behavior of an organism that, by all observable scientifically objective measures, is functioning perfectly correct.  Indeed, there is ample and growing suggestions that homosexuality is a response to in vitro and/or in vivo elements.

Someone needs to weed out their conditioned-ideology from their understanding of biology.

Free yourself!  Ignorance is no fun.

What are your feelings on the issue?

Good for them. I admit that something about transexuals and crossdressing creeps me out sometimes, but so does an excess of NASCAR caps and dip.

Real tits and vagina queens bother me a little too, just for attitude (though I admit that it depends on the tits and vagina), so if a gay guy is especially FAAAABULOUS I’m unlikely to be friends with them either. It’s not about who they’re screwing though, it’s about not wanting to put up with bullshit.

What evidence supports your belief, thoughts, ideas etc?

I’ve had lots and lots of homosexual friends (and enemies too) over the years. I used to go to gay bars on Wednesdays because the drink specials were awesome and watching lesbians make out in dark corners amused me. I don’t expect any homosexuals to particularly care what I’m doing with MY penis unless it’s prodding THEM, and as long as they’re not rubbing it on me I could care less what they’re doing with theirs.

What do you feel or think about gay rights in terms of marriage, tax status, etc?

Gays are people, they should be treated the same as other people, including the right the marry who they care to and adopt children. If they abuse the children, well straight people abuse kids too, how is one orientation automatically different?

I admit though, when I was a kid if I didn’t like someone AND they had a surefire way to piss them off by mocking their two daddies? But kids are cruel by their nature, and I was an excellent example.

Have you ever met a gay person or know one personally?  What were they like?

Lots and lots. Some were ok, some were dicks, some assumed that because I had lots of gay friends I was “confused”, etc. In general they were less likely to go out with me or be chased by me than heterosexual and bisexual women, but I’ve had the problem of at least one homosexual friend misunderstanding my need for a ride to go out dancing for a date - which was more embarrassing than anything else. Most of the lesbians I’ve known can’t stand me, but I chalk that up to a general lack of a sense of humor.

Have you ever been approached by someone that is gay?  What was your reaction etc?

Yeah, I have. Generally I tend to ignore it unless someone goes for the pants or package. It’s a lot like being approached by a woman I don’t care for or something like that, flattering and amusing but not really a problem most of the time. I once had to tell one of my gay friends to back off while we were out a bar a couple of times because I was getting the vibe that it was causing some confusion in the minds of the ladies that I was checking out.

I’m still waiting to be approached by a lesbian, maybe a few pounds more and I can get my man-tits and sucker one in. Surprise!

I’m still waiting to be approached by a lesbian, maybe a few pounds more and I can get my man-tits and sucker one in. Surprise!

Now THAT’s gross, on soooo many levels

I have also noticed that gay bars tend to have better prices and stiffer drinks than other bars.

Transexuals and crossdressers are not necessarily gay.  Although I am sympathetic to transgendered people, I don’t understand transexuality at all - it is the ultimate gender fuck as there are so many variations.  Crossdressing (or “drag”) is a very old practice and is present in legends, Wikipedia even has a picture of Thor and Loki in drag.  There are some straight entertainers that do entire shows in drag, such as Eddie Izzard and Dame Edna.  Some straight prime time TV comedians regularly performed in drag, such as Flip Wilson and Milton Berle.

Transexuals and crossdressers are not necessarily gay.  Although I am sympathetic to transgendered people, I don’t understand transexuality at all - it is the ultimate gender fuck as there are so many variations.  Crossdressing (or “drag”) is a very old practice and is present in legends, Wikipedia even has a picture of Thor and Loki in drag.  There are some straight entertainers that do entire shows in drag, such as Eddie Izzard and Dame Edna.  Some straight prime time TV comedians regularly performed in drag, such as Flip Wilson and Milton Berle.

You forget to mention the best of all: Jamie Lee Curtis !!!

I have also noticed that gay bars tend to have better prices and stiffer drinks than other bars.

Remember the SNL_EddieMurphy skit (“White Like Eddie“) ??  If you know the korrect “code”, the drinks are even free!  Oh, and you obviously missed the free drugs in the “womens room” !
;-]

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http://snltranscripts.jt.org/84/84iwhitelikeeddie.phtml

[ Eddie walks onto the street, the perfect portrait of a white man. He enters a convenience store, grabs a newspaper and drops it on the counter. ]

Clerk: What are you doing?

Eddie Murphy: I’m buying this newspaper.

Clerk: That’s all right. There’s nobody around. Go ahead, take it! Take it!!! [ Eddie gives him a quizzical look ] Go ahead, take it. Yeah. Take it. Take it.

[ Eddie takes the newspaper, and cautiously exits ]

Eddie Murphy Voiceover: Slowly, I began to realize that when white people are alone, they give things to each other for free.
[ cut to Eddie catching a bus. He sits down between two white women. ]

Eddie Murphy Voiceover: There was only one other black man on the bus. He got off on 45th Street. [ the busdriver looks around the bus carefully, then sets a party in motion, complete with music and cigarette girls ] The problem was much more serious than I’d ever imagined.

Gay Traditions in NativeAm people…  Today’s NYTIMES:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/08/fashion/08SPIRIT.html?pagewanted=2

The term for Two-Spirit people is different in each tribal language, but the practices and traditional social position of Two-Spirits is fairly consistent, said Brian Joseph Gilley, an assistant professor of anthropology at the University of Vermont and author of “Becoming Two-Spirit: Gay Identity and Social Acceptance in Indian Country.” In tribal tradition, when children exhibited interest in activities not associated with their gender — for boys, typically cooking or sewing; for girls, hunting or combat — they were singled out as inhabited by dual spirits, Mr. Gilley said.

In some tribes they were considered spiritually gifted, and might have been sought sexually for their powers. Often Two-Spirit people helped raise children or accompanied war parties as surrogate wives, Mr. Gilley said. At the Montana gathering, one man brought his two grandchildren, whom he was raising. “It was never about sexuality,” Mr. Gilley added. “It was about your role in the community.”

most gays ... don’t want to play with someone who’s not going to enjoy the session.

Same for straights. 

What’s the difference between saying a gay wants to sleep with everyone they see of the same sex, as opposed to heteros wanting to sleep with everyone they see of the opposite sex? 

I always thought it one of those idiotic homophobic statements.

Double dip:

[Editor’s Note: I’ve made a new Sexuality category seeing as the topic seems to come up regularly and none of the other categories were a good fit.]

What, “Entertainment” is not a good category??? 

Brock said…

That doesn’t make you a fag hag does it?

It probably does in some people’s minds, but I don’t care. The last thing about someone I think about is which gender they prefer to hook up with. As long as they’re happy and healthy it doesn’t really matter to me. Some of the best people I’ve ever known were as gay as it’s possible to be and I wouldn’t have changed them for all the money in the world.

And, surprisingly enough, I’ve been hit on once or twice in my time back in my younger days. Once in my 20’s an acquaintance at the time who wasn’t as accepting of gays and I were passed by a couple of guys on the street holding hands and one of them looked over his shoulder as we passed and said to me, “Nice ass!“ I said thank you and kept on walking.

My less accepting acquaintance turned to me and angrily whispered, “You going to let him get away with saying that?!“ I replied with a sure, why not? “Cause that dude is GAY!!“

I believe my response was along the lines of: “Look, just because I don’t want to go to the party doesn’t mean it’s not nice to be invited. At least SOMEONE out there appreciates my ass.“