Goodness me an ignorant christian in a position of authority trying to impose his beliefs on others by abusing his power. Good thing this doesn’t happen often....oh hold on…

In the 80’s, a Louisisana high school changed their team name from the demons to the golden knights.  Our high school used to do a witch/warlock contest for the teachers, but they quit that at the same time.  Knee jerk Baptists and their satanic panic.

Here’s just another indication of how brain-cramped and lunatic monotheistic zealots are. Mr. Stanley, there’s been NO HOCKEY for close to a year now. If you had an ounce of economic and rational sense, you’d be working to get the game going again, instead of indulging in nonsensical and downright stupid antics as these. You ought to stay in your church and do something constructive like..dusting the pews.

This guy clearly hasnt a clue how close the folks from jersey are to thier devil, next thing he’ll say is he understands the people or some shit. Come on, Jersey is the only place Ive seen folks do 70 mile an hour, 5 lanes wide on a 3 lane highway, in rushhour and not bat an eyelash.

As a resident of New Jersey and a fan of our hockey team I whole-heartedly say, “Go Fuck Yourself, Craig Stanley.” This is what my tax dollars are paying you for?!  The NJ Devils are named after the infamous New Jersey devil.  Thankfully we have a man like Lou Lameriello owning the Devils:

“I can assure you the Devils name will never change, and I think there are more important things to be thinking about than something that will never happen,” team CEO Lou Lamoriello said. “It’s who we are and what we want to be.”

I have a question, how come i can’t say a simple, silent prayer before i eat without someone becoming ‘offended’? The New Jersey devil is based on a demonic, flying creature that kills and scares animals and humans. If you have the so called ‘right’ to tear down the 10 Commandments from a courthouse, then we have the right to change a replusive hockey team name.

I have a question, how come i can’t say a simple, silent prayer before i eat without someone becoming ‘offended’?

Good question, Ashley. Of course, it would be a better question if it had any basis in reality. As a Wiccan, I have absolutely no problem with you saying silent prayers to yourself. If it makes you happy, knock yourself out! It would make no difference whether I were an atheist, a Pagan, a Muslim, or an animist--your right to pray to yourself is your own, and last I checked, no one was contesting it.

What we are contesting is that annoying habit of so-called Christians who try to get the goverment to sponsor their beliefs (a clear violation of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment of the United States Constitution) either through repressive legislation or through acts such as the flagrant display of Roy Moore’s beloved “ten commandments” sculpture. Why was the latter example offensive? Because it was displayed at a govermental building. It had little to do with the fact that it was “Christian” (although I personally didn’t like it, as I’m not a Christian, but that’s irrelevant).

I’m not well-read on this New Jersey “Devils” controversy, so I won’t pretend to be, but I’m thinking that there’s a slight difference between a sports team mascot and a state courthouse.

...but I’m thinking that there’s a slight difference between a sports team mascot and a state courthouse.

Oh, yeah, smartypants?  And what exactly is the difference?

I’ve never known anyone who was offended by public prayer. As far as “right"s go, Sadie’s got it in the bag. It’s the attempt to force a single religion into everyone’s lives (through government) that made the 10 commandment things controversial (and exploitative). Totally different from trying to rename someone else’s private property.

There are, however, lots of far more legitimate reasons to be upset with book-pushers. I don’t know about down in the US, but in Canada, door to door solicitation still takes place from people claiming to want to help save your soul by indocrinating you into their flavor of Biblical religion. That pisses people off too, but it’s not the fact they they follow Religion X, it’s that they have the nerve to come to your home to tell you that you’re living the wrong kind of life without ever speaking to you prior. Yes there are intolerant bigots in virtually every branch of society, and they give their denomination of choice all kinds of trouble for the sake of it. And y’know what? That do it on the basis of a moral high ground.

Prayer in public is the LAST thing a rational person has a problem with concerning Biblical religions. Harassment, and violation of the Establishment, and exploitation of immigrants are far more likely candidates for people’s frustration towards Christianity in particular.

I enter only to note that there were 2 10 commandment cases decided last year, of which one was found constitutional and one was not.  Clarification on which case one is talking about might be helpful, because it otherwise might mislead folks into believing that the simple placement of the 10 commandments on the courthouse steps is unconstitutional.  Such a belief is folly.

Roy Moore’s monument and the decalogue in Tennessee were ruled unconstitutional, while the one in Texas was okey-doked (which I think was the Court wussing out and/or throwing the religionists a bone).

If Ashley has, in fact, been proscribed from praying SILENTLY, her First Amendment rights have been violated.  Somehow I doubt that has happened.

As I recall, the Jersey Devil is one of those “creatures” along the lines of a chupacabra, Bigfoot and Nessie… and I don’t see why anyone is offended by a team named after a mythical being.  Should I as a skeptic be bent out of shape because our home team is called “Angels”?  That’s ridiculous!  People really need to get a fuckin’ life!

As I recall, the Jersey Devil is one of those “creatures� along the lines of a chupacabra, Bigfoot and Nessie… and I don’t see why anyone is offended by a team named after a mythical being.

Lots of team mascots are considered offensive by various groups of people. How much do you want to bet that the people bitching about the “devils” mascot aren’t one bit offended by mascots such as the “Redskins” (one which I personally would find to truly be offensive)?

I have been told by someone that he was ‘offended’ because I closed my eyes and said a silent prayer to myself.

May I point something out, that you all have over looked? Your acting prejudice towards the Christian religon because you disagree with politians. Christian’s do have a voice, incase you were unaware, and yes, we do have a say in America’s decisions. If you don’t like a politian, that’s your opinion, but don’t insult my religion.

Why is a hockey name so important? If someone is offended by it’s meaning, then why are you all crying about it? Get over it.The Jersey Devil is based on a 1900th century, flying, violent creature that supposedly killed pets and scared people. It was called the New Jersey ‘Devil’ because the witnesses of the creature’s attacks said that it was supernatural. You’re correct when you say- a hockey team and the New Jersey Devil have nothing in common. You’re mistaken, however, when saying that the name ‘The New Jersey Devil’ has nothing to do with something demonic.You haven’t done research on the Jersey Devil, or you would have known it’s legend. Christian’s didn’t want their states team being named after a dark myth/story about a demon hiding in Jersey’s swamps.

The statement about the 10 Commandments was true. The government removed 10 laws that inspired our government’s laws. The reasoning behind the removal was -not everyone was a Christian, therefore a Jewish/Christian symbol had to be removed from public eye.- Now, the government also saw that not everyone was ok with a team name that stirred up controversy. If you don’t believe in Christianity, that’s your choice, but it’s hypocritcal if the government doesn’t take care of all it’s people and their beliefs. I’m sure you WILL survive if the word ‘devil’ is taken out of a hockey team’s name.

Also, I forgot to mention something. Arc_Legion pointed out something very important. Christians and Jehovah Witnesses are NOT the same religon. Jehovah Witnesses practice going from door to door. Another, false accusation against Christians.

Christian’s do have a voice

I don’t think anyone has argued to the contrary. However, you are confusing “having a voice” with attempting to force one’s beliefs on a society as a whole.

If someone is offended by it’s meaning, then why are you all crying about it? Get over it

We’re not the ones crying over it. You are. We’re simply noting, admittedly with some annoyance, the fact that you and others are complaining about this team’s mascot.

If you don’t like a politian, that’s your opinion, but don’t insult my religion.

You are contradicting yourself with this statement. You (rightly) note that it is our opinion to dislike a politician (I assume you are refering to Craig Stanley here), yet you turn around in the exact same sentence and claim that doing so is “insulting your religion.” Which is it, Terry? Am I insulting your religion because I find fundamentalist Christians who wish to impose their beliefs onto others highly repugnant? Am I insulting your religion because I can’t stand fundamentalist politicians who waste our time with non-issues such as the one at hand? If so, then I’m sorry, but welcome to the real world.

I’m sure you WILL survive if the word ‘devil’ is taken out of a hockey team’s name.

And I’m sure you WILL survive the removal of Roy’s Rock from inappropriately adorning the Alabama State Court House. You’ve already done so for over two years now. Congratulations!

Elsewhere on this blog, and very recently, a quote was posted that was made by Dan Savage (link here). You can say whatever it is that you want, and you can hold whatever beliefs you want. I’m not obligated to agree with you, nor you with me. And it can stay that way; that’s just fine. If we possessed the tolerance to leave it that way, that would be great. But instead there’s all this babble about who’s beliefs are more important and so on, and it’s horseshit, on both sides. Next time a guy says he’s offended or whatever, say “you can either forgive me or you can go fuck yourself, but I’m gonna pray anyway and I’m not gonna fight over it.” My point is that assholes aren’t exclusive to any one point of view.

A minor but telling point: Terry, you say

Christians and Jehovah Witnesses are NOT the same religion.

Many conservative Christians say the Witnesses are not Christian. The Witnesses themselves say they are Christian. Who is right?

From my atheist armchair, Jehovah’s Witnesses look Christian- they believe in the Bible and the divinity of Jesus.  But there is no right answer to the question, because the Bible is full of contradictions, and lists no criteria for being a “true” Christian.  Disagreements between rival followers of the Bible have, if memory serves, had a couple of minor altercations in the past.

I’ve heard many Christians claim that Jehovah’s Witnesses (along with Mormons) are a cult, and thus are not “true Christians.” But it seems to me that all religions are cults. I’m sort of a Wiccan, and I have no qualms over the fact that this would make me a cult member. It seems to me that the term “cult” is thrown around a lot as an attempt to denigrate other religions that are seen as inferior to one’s own.

Indeed, Sadie.  Here in Austria, all Protestant churches are called “sects”.  Of course, the only “true” church is the Holy Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church.

Terry: I would refer back to Les’ point in the original post that this sudden outrage over the Devils name is being pursued by a public official on the public dollar. And we all know it’s not going to go anywhere, which makes it a waste of public time and money. Which makes it worth criticizing as savagely as possibly.

Christian’s didn’t want their states team being named after a dark myth/story about a demon hiding in Jersey’s swamps.

So get all those angry Christians together (if you can) and boycott the home games or something and we can all laugh at you standing in the cold. Trust me, you’ll be picketing for a long time and eventually, yes, you will give up in failure as your numbers dwindle.

Ashley wrote: If you have the so called ‘right’ to tear down the 10 Commandments from a courthouse, then we have the right to change a replusive hockey team name.

No you don’t. Privately owned hockey team: People pay to go to the games. Goals are scored. Public court house: You are forced to attend. Life sentences are handed out. Do you see the difference? Oh and I’m sorry, there is no ‘controversy’ here Terry ... just a lot of bullshit grandstanding. Renaming the New Jersey Devils is not “America’s decision”. A guy named Lou gets to decide that. Man you people must be pretty bored and/or out of touch to defend this assemblyman.

Ashley, Terry, whoever…

I have been told by someone that he was ‘offended’ because I closed my eyes and said a silent prayer to myself.

And whether that someone had cause to be offended or at least ‘offended’ depends on situational context. What you appear to imply is that your observance of religious ritual of your chosen faith must be tolerated; what you should try for is a little bit of empathy - can you conceive of a circumstance in which it might give offense? If so, does it conceivably apply to the actual event?

May I point something out, that you all have over looked? Your acting prejudice towards the Christian religon because you disagree with politians. Christian’s do have a voice, incase you were unaware, and yes, we do have a say in America’s decisions.

I doubt any of the regulars is oblivious to the disctinction between a politician that plays the Christian card and a politician that happens to be a Christian. Of course Christians have a say in political matters, just as they should. Where it gets problematic when public policy pursues an agenda that is not in the best interest of the nation and/or discriminates against a subsection of citizens.

If you don’t like a politian, that’s your opinion, but don’t insult my religion.

Why not? As long as one doesn’t cross into libel and/or slander territory, I’m not aware of any reason why Christianity should be privileged and not be subjected to negative opinion, particularly if such are well-founded concerns.

Not to forget, Christian dogma and the exclusive claim to The Truth is nothing but an insult against anybody of a different faith, if any. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander, eh.

Why is a hockey name so important? If someone is offended by it’s meaning, then why are you all crying about it? Get over it.

Nope. You get over it.

As a previous poster pointed out (I believe), to the best of my knowledge the New Jersey Devils are privately owned and short of running afoul of trademark and perhaps a few other legal issues, the owners are free to name their franchise as they please. If you don’t like the name or are offended by it, tough luck. Christians do not enjoy the privilege of being able to remove everything that offends at least one of their number - well, they would in a theocracy.

The Jersey Devil is based on a 1900th century, flying, violent creature that supposedly killed pets and scared people. It was called the New Jersey ‘Devil’ because the witnesses of the creature’s attacks said that it was supernatural. You’re correct when you say- a hockey team and the New Jersey Devil have nothing in common. You’re mistaken, however, when saying that the name ‘The New Jersey Devil’ has nothing to do with something demonic.You haven’t done research on the Jersey Devil, or you would have known it’s legend. Christian’s didn’t want their states team being named after a dark myth/story about a demon hiding in Jersey’s swamps.

So there’s a legendary species that happened to cause some to relapse into mediaval superstition. If this critter of myth was alleged to be a fierce hunter, it is a compelling naming choice for a team of a violent sport. To be offended by a ‘demonic’ reference seems to amount to ingesting an excessive amount of religiously motivated superstition.

The statement about the 10 Commandments was true. The government removed 10 laws that inspired our government’s laws.

I’m not going to check what that statement actually was. When you talk about the Ten Commandments, the first question is necessarily which 10CC are we talking about? The Hebrew, Catholic, or Protestant version? Regardless, of those commandments that can be said to more or less vaguely correspond to articles of or amendments to the constitution, nothing is left but the Golden Rule. I haven’t checked, but e.g. and sticking to the Catholic version, I believe the constitution protects the breaking of the first commandment and is silent on the second. I’m not immediately aware that the constitution addresses the third and fourth commandment, either. For that matter, except for perhaps state legislation or local ordinances, numbers six and nine have fallen by the wayside. Also, the law doesn’t seem to care about what you covet - it’s what you take that matters.

In other words, of the Ten Commandments, the law and the constitution seem to care about killing people, stealing from people, and perjury, libel, and slander. Three out of ten, isn’t it?

The reasoning behind the removal was -not everyone was a Christian, therefore a Jewish/Christian symbol had to be removed from public eye.-

That’s on oversimplification and inaccurate. The U.S. government cannot promote any religion and the prominent public display of a uniquely Christian symbol like the Ten Commandments is at odds with this.

Now, the government also saw that not everyone was ok with a team name that stirred up controversy.

You are using the term ‘government’ rather broadly, up to the point of equivocation. A state assemblyman is an elected public official and thus part of the state government, but he is not ‘the government’.

If you don’t believe in Christianity, that’s your choice, but it’s hypocritcal if the government doesn’t take care of all it’s people and their beliefs.

Others have pointed out to you prior to this comment that there is difference between a part of the government running afoul of the constitution that dictates what it is or isn’t allowed to do and the naming of a privately owned hockey team. As far as I know, this team does not represent the state of New Jersey in any formal way and has relocated to NJ in the first place. Thus, there is no connection other than the name between the state and the team and the NJ state government has no business intruding.

I would also strenously deny that the NJ state government is obliged to take care of all its people’s beliefs. I don’t see how a hockey team’s name impedes the free exercise of religion, therefore the state should stay out of it.

I’m sure you WILL survive if the word ‘devil’ is taken out of a hockey team’s name.

Will we? I don’t care a rat’s ass about hockey, much less about any given team, but if a state government forces a privately owned team to change its name because it offends the tender religious sensibilities of some state citizens, then there is a major problem that you are apparently oblivious to.

I believe that it is quite unbelievable how our nation has changed. It has went from “One nation under God”, to a nation overwhelmingly against God. If you are going to look at this case upon a religious or perhaps the more appropriate term would be “spiritual” view point then there are two basic elements to examine, good and evil. In today’s culture it is unacceptable to have prayer in the public school system, as well as the Ten Commandments. It seems that the “good” that the Christian population has to offer is being removed for its inequality among other religions, so why not the bad as well? Ashley is right. When it comes down to it, anything that has to do with the good view of Christianity is being slowly thrown away, while more and more “evil” is being accepted. It is a well-known fact that whether or not there is a God, living a Christian life betters this world because of their values. If everyone followed the Ten Commandments in this world there would be almost no need for prison systems, or perhaps even law enforcement. I do not believe that the name of this team was intentionally made to hurt Christians or to desensitize people to the idea of the devil, or Satan, but I do believe that if something as harmless as the 10 Commandments can be removed, then so can the name New Jersey Devils.

-We’re not the ones crying over it. You are. We’re simply noting, admittedly with some annoyance, the fact that you and others are complaining about this team’s mascot

this entire page is based on you crying over a mascot’s name.

-I don’t think anyone has argued to the contrary. However, you are confusing “having a voice� with attempting to force one’s beliefs on a society as a whole.

what do you think your doing then? No one forces you to believe anything. If you havent noticed, America isnt a ‘Christian Nation’, if anything it’s a overall Atheist Nation. School systems teach that point of view all over America, so you can stop with the, ‘Christian’s want world domination’ crap. We don’t force veiws on anybody. No, Christians and Mormons are NOT the same religon, we have very different life styles and both religons believe in diferent things. So, now there is no confusion. I have nothing against any religon, do your own thing if you want, but don’t degrade mine because you don’t understand it.

-You are contradicting yourself with this statement. You (rightly) note that it is our opinion to dislike a politician (I assume you are refering to Craig Stanley here), yet you turn around in the exact same sentence and claim that doing so is “insulting your religion.�

ha, i wish you knew how to read. I said clearly, and I quote--If you don’t like a politian, that’s your opinion, but don’t insult my religion. --I don’t care if you hate or love Stanely, but almost everyone in here has insulted Christianity because they didn’t like what Stanley did. Whether or not a Stanley changed a name because people felt offended isn’t important at this point, now all your concerned with is the fact that a Christian changed it. Here are some ways you discribed Christians, which proves that everything I said was true. It’s your opinon whether or not you like Stanley, but don’t insult my religon, here’s some examples, just to help you understand.--
Goodness me an ignorant christian --Serai
Here’s just another indication of how brain-cramped and lunatic monotheistic zealots are.--Anand

What we are contesting is that annoying habit of so-called Christians who try to get the goverment to sponsor their beliefs--Sexy Sadie.

There’s some of the few. You attacked Christians, not the politian.

- I believe the constitution protects the breaking of the first commandment and is silent on the second. I’m not immediately aware that the constitution addresses the third and fourth commandment, either. For that matter, except for perhaps state legislation or local ordinances, numbers six and nine have fallen by the wayside. Also, the law doesn’t seem to care about what you covet - it’s what you take that matters.

1st Commandment-No other God. 2nd Commandment- No idols. 3rd Commandment-Do not take God’s name in vain. 4th Commandment-Keep sabbath day holy. 5th Commandment-Honor father and mother. 6th commandment-Do not murder. 7th Commandment-Do not commit adultery. 8th Commandment-Do not steal. 9th commandment-Do not lie. 10th Commandment-Do not covet.
I wrote out the 10 Commandments so you can see them with your own eyes and not lie about them, unlike elwedriddsche statement that Commandments
6 and 9 were falling wayside, 6 is murder (which is punishable by death or a life sentence)9 is lying (if the president lies or a offical lies, his position could be taken away from him. Lying to the police could send you too jail.) 7 is adultery (If the president cheats on his wife he could loose his position as president)4 is the Sabbath (Sunday is considered the Sabbath for Christians and Catholics, Catholics also worship Saturdays sometimes. We have off those 2 days.)
Quote from pointofview.net--The Bible and Biblical principles were important in the framing of the Constitution.--Here’s another quote-- A Christian view of government is based upon a balanced view of human nature. It recognizes both human dignity (we are created in God’s image) and human depravity (we are sinful individuals). Because both grace and sin operate in government, we should neither be too optimistic nor too pessimistic. Instead, the framers constructed a government with a deep sense of Biblical realism.-- Here’s another quote--Federalism comes from foedus, Latin for covenant. “The tribes of Israel shared a covenant that made them a nation. American federalism originated at least in part in the dissenting Protestants’ familiarity with the Bible.” This statement is very interesting-- Biblical ideas were crucial in both the Declaration and the Constitution.  Nearly 80 percent of the political pamphlets published during the 1770s were reprinted sermons.Quote from James Madison

The Christian religion, in its purity, is the basis and the source of all genuine freedom in government.�

--James Madison

So, I have backed up my statement-- The government removed 10 laws that inspired our government’s laws.I’m not pushing Christianity on you or claiming, ‘my religon is better then yours’, so you can drop that judgement. I’m defending what I said with proof.

-Not to forget, Christian dogma and the exclusive claim to The Truth is nothing but an insult against anybody of a different faith

Wow...you really don’t know anything about Christianity. The Theme of Christianity is love and kindness. Compassion and forgiveness. Christians believe that we are sinners (people who do wrong because we arent perfect) and that God, in the form of a man, died on a Roman cross to save us from damnation. ‘Christianity appeared after Christ died and resurrected (500 people saw Him after he died on the cross, plus his disiples closest to Him). Christ gave Christians the most beautiful example of love. We don’t hate anyone, or at least true Christians arent supposed too.

-A guy named Lou gets to decide that. Man you people must be pretty bored and/or out of touch to defend this assemblyman

Yea buddy, a assemblyman works for the government. Therefore, when his actions are approved, America’s government backs him up.

in order to believe in the devil you must believe in God so all of these people who are satin worshipers say :there is no God, im not gonna believe in something i cant see: okay, so tell me when you ACTUALLY “saw” the devil. thats right, youre believin in something thats not physically there such as i believing in God so when you say :i cant believe in something that i cant see: dont go telling me you worship satin cause its bull.
I believe that the government was founded on the Bible. in our constitution it says to form our foundation on God so youre telling me that the constitution should be changed because it brings together church in state when its been running our country for 200 years! how about the oath you take “i swear to tell the whole truth and nothing BUT the truth SO HELP ME GOD” ur saying that should be changed? what about our currency on our money it says “in God we trust” so ur gonna change ALL the money too?hmm..& what about our flag salute. the one our military says everyday before they go rish their lives “..one nation UNDER GOD” i strongly disagree in the saying “seperation of church and state” our government and nation was STRONGER when everyone was to say the plege of allegiance without uttering under their breath.
yes, its a free country but our country was based on the Bible and without a doubt has continued to be the STRONGEST country in the world. so why base it on anything else?

Terry proclaimed:

If you havent noticed, America isnt a ‘Christian Nation’, if anything it’s a overall Atheist Nation. School systems teach that point of view all over America, so you can stop with the, ‘Christian’s want world domination’ crap. We don’t force veiws on anybody.

You cannot be serious, Terry. *pisses self with laughter* America is an “Atheist Nation?” Would you care to explain then our president, who believes he has a “mandate from God?” How about the fact that every one of our presidents has been a self-described Christian?

Terry continues:

I don’t care if you hate or love Stanely, but almost everyone in here has insulted Christianity because they didn’t like what Stanley did.

Wow, this is rich. Let me get this straight, Terry: you say that you don’t care whether I love or hate Stanley, but by not liking what he is attempting to do, I am “insulting Christianity?” Hmmm, seems to me that you do care whether we love or hate Stanley. What is more, you clearly equate disliking Stanley’s actions with insulting Christianity, despite the fact that you try to claim the exact opposite. That I can see through your lies speaks volumes about your incoherent statements and your even more incoherent writing style. I wish you would learn how to read, Terry. At least learn how to spell correctly and use basic grammar.

More Terry:

this entire page is based on you crying over a mascot’s name.

Wrong again, Terry. It is you and your ilk (i.e. fundamentalist Christians) who are crying over the mascot. Les and all of us here are not complaining about a mascot. We are merely observing a severely misguided fundie senator by the name of Craig Stanley who is wasting the time and tax money of New Jersey citizens over the name of a stupid hockey team. “Semantics”, Terry. Look up the word.

Wait! There’s more!

There’s some of the few. You attacked Christians, not the politian.

I don’t even know what you’re trying to say here, Terry. I assure you that no one here has attacked Christians, however. What you need to realize (and what I am sure you will refuse to consider, much less realize) is that pointing out the intolerance of others is not the same as attacking them.

Finally, Terry proves with this quote that he/she knows nothing about the concept of irony:

The Theme of Christianity is love and kindness.

Try practicing what you preach, Terry. You hardly come off as a paragon of “love and kindness.”

Lauren had this to say:

i strongly disagree in the saying “seperation of church and state� our government and nation was STRONGER when everyone was to say the plege of allegiance without uttering under their breath.
yes, its a free country but our country was based on the Bible and without a doubt has continued to be the STRONGEST country in the world

Lauren, I do not even know where to begin with you as these statements are so misguided that it would take literally pages and pages to correct them. Suffice it to say that you should consider reading countless other posts around here that successfully debunk the claim by fundamentalist Christians that America is based on biblical law and was intended to be a “Christian” nation. Oh, and take an American history class too, while you’re at it.

*Regarding Lauren and Terry, folks, all I have to say is this: if it looks like a troll, walks like a troll, and talks like a troll...well, you can guess the rest.