Nassssty, eeeeeevil, atheistsssssss!

Posted by Les on Friday, June 30, 2006 at 10:26 AM. Read 2780 times. Tags: , ,
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You have got to check out this laugh-riot of an excuse for an essay by Brandon T Stanley at his blog Enemies Foreign and Domestic titled: A Polemic Against Atheism.

A man can never be reasoned out of any position which he never reasoned himself into. Thus is the root of all evil in today’s America: the doctrines of unreason yet made more insidious by masquerading as reason. At the head of these forces is the force of Atheism. This is not meant to soothe the hearts of disbelief, or to call someone to faith. I will not mince word with those who would advance the putrid banner of nihilism under the cover of a cannonade of so-called reason. Atheism as a metaphysic comes to us in a variety of forms: Music, T.V, so called “American Culture”. Atheism, first and foremost, is a religion. All forms of extremist atheism, whether they are Objectivism, Marxism, or any other ism, make metaphysical claims. These claims are never challenged nor questioned. Atheism as a religion has Ten Commandments.

They are:
1) Man consists of nothing more than atoms, hence he has no essence
2) Man should therefore seek Paradise on Earth
3) Reality must be what we see in front of us
4) Religious faith is bad; but faith in fellow man good
5) We must be the judge of whether God is righteous or not
6) Eschatology in religion bad; eschatology in science good
7) Ethical judgments cannot be made; all is relative
8) The Universe is an accident
9) Evolution can never be questioned. Prophet Darwin is unassailable
10) Faith is a stupidity, and faith must be taken as “belief in something you cannot see.”

Are they not patently absurd?

I nearly choked on my lunch from laughing at that drivel. It’s a great example of how to construct a strawman argument and leaves some of the drive-by commenters that come around SEB in the dust. Go read the full thing, but be careful not to be drinking anything when you do.

Brought to us by Brent over at UTI.

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Sadie Jane United States Posted on 06/30/2006 at 04:03 PM

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Well, he’s young—perhaps his views can be partially explained by his youth.

Other than that, he has nothing original to say. Millions of other arrogant theists have made the exact same claims that he’s putting forward here.

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LuckyJohn19 Australia Posted on 06/30/2006 at 05:17 PM

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His programmers must be laughing, slapping each other on the back and giving up-thumbs, calling: Next! LOL

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danmanning United States Posted on 07/01/2006 at 07:11 AM

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Hey! 

I’m an atheist, but i’ve never seen that drivel before.  I certainly don’t belong to any religion.

Calling atheism a religion is liking saying anyone who doesn’t believe in Santa Claus is in a religion.

And I don’t “choose” not to believe in God any more than anyone else “chooses” not to believe in the Tooth Fairy or anything else.  You just know it’s dumb, and you forget about it.

I couldn’t force myself to “believe” in God any more that I could force myself to “believe” in any other thing I know doesn’t exist. 

I don’t use the Santa and Tooth Fairy examples out of disrespect, but only to explain that one doesn’t “choose” to believe something.

Is there any argument that could convince you that the Easter Bunny exists?  No. In the same way, there is nothing that could convince me that God exists. 

I don’t go around preaching atheism to people or trying to convert them.  I figure I’m surrounded by people who believe in God, and while they are otherwise intelligent people, I just won’t mention it, cause it doesn’t matter anyway.  In the same way I wouldn’t step into a classroom of First Graders and announce, “There is no Santa!  Your parents leave the presents!“  I wouldn’t announce that there isn’t a God because it just tends to upset people that won’t change their minds anyway.

I made up a word: I’m an “Apathist.“  I don’t care if there is a God or not.  It doesn’t matter if there is a God or not because things would be the same either way.  If there IS a God, it has always been that way, and nothing is going to change no matter who wins the argument, and if there ISN’T a God, it has always been that way and things are going to be the same no matter who wins the argument.

As far as right and wrong is concerned, you should be nice to people, try not to be annoying, and do the best you can.  I don’t need a thick book written by a bunch of dead guys to tell me that.  The Ten Commandments (out of the bible) make sense.  Just about everything Jesus said makes sense.  A lot of what Buddha said makes sense.  People should be good to each other not because some Magic Bearded Dude in the sky is watching over you, but because it is right to be good to one another.

zilch Austria Posted on 07/01/2006 at 10:33 AM

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Calling atheism a religion is liking saying anyone who doesn’t believe in Santa Claus is in a religion.

Or: if “atheism” is a religion, then “off” is a television channel.

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elwedriddsche United States Posted on 07/01/2006 at 10:53 AM

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danmanning: I made up a word: I’m an “Apathist.�

Somebody probably beat you to “apatheist”.

Then there’s the apathetic atheist agnostic, as in “I don’t know, I don’t believe, I don’t care” - just to cover all the bases.

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elwedriddsche United States Posted on 07/01/2006 at 11:02 AM

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double-dipping…

but i’ve never seen that drivel before

I wish I could say the same. And SS, old age does not make the True Believer drivel-proof.

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decrepitoldfool United States Posted on 07/01/2006 at 12:11 PM

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I’m collecting the whole set.  Here’s what I have so far:

If “atheism� is a religion, then “off� is a television channel.
If atheism is a religion, “not collecting stamps” is a hobby
If atheism is a religion, then ‘bald’ is a hair color
If atheism is a religion, then health is a disease.

Eric Paulsen United States Posted on 07/01/2006 at 05:02 PM

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Or: if “atheism� is a religion, then “off� is a television channel.

I love the OFF network! Best programming available on television today, I highly recommend it to anyone who hasn’t yet had the pleasure.

Doctor M United States Posted on 07/01/2006 at 07:12 PM

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“Well, he’s young—perhaps his views can be partially explained by his youth.“

Ummm! Miss Sadie, may I comment that, being almost 15 (not to mention YOUNGER than the aforementioned dumbfucked twat), I’m smarter than this kid is.

But, either way :: I did piss my pants while laughing at that. So, whatever, call me immature! Lol.

Sadie Jane United States Posted on 07/01/2006 at 09:37 PM

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Doctor M:...I’m smarter than this kid is.

I’ll say you are. It’s great to see that the younger generation has its cool cats.

I also laughed heartily at Mr. Stanley’s blog entry—particularly his idea that atheists consider scientific theories such as “The Universe is an accident” to be commandments. What exactly is being commanded there, Brandon?

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LuckyJohn19 Australia Posted on 07/01/2006 at 11:17 PM

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DocM: So, whatever, call me immature!

There’s a big difference between being immature and knowing you are than ... well I suppose at 20 we all ‘knew it all’ didn’t we? LOL

Miss Sadie (gee that sounds cute): It’s great to see that the younger generation has its cool cats.

My thoughts exactly.  smile

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orgmorg United States Posted on 07/01/2006 at 11:37 PM

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What sucks is that most morons that read that will actually think that atheists indeed do have a set of commandments. No matter how stupid it sounds, there is always someone stupider who will buy it.

Then there’s the apathetic atheist agnostic, as in “I don’t know, I don’t believe, I don’t care� - just to cover all the bases.

How ‘bout the agnostic dyslexic insomniac who was up all night wondering if there was a dog?

LuckyJohn19 Australia Posted on 07/02/2006 at 04:10 AM

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DocM: I’m smarter than this kid is.

Mate, I just looked at my comment again and there’s an outside chance it could sound a bit patronising.
You ARE smarter ‘than this kid is.’
Winston Churchill: To be conservative at 20 is heartless and to be a liberal at 60 is plain idiocy.
I don’t agree with it (I went the other way) but, if you’ve embraced the left at any time in your life, at least you have a heart.
I’m trying to use as few words as I can and it’s not working.
I read a lot of stuff on Brandon_T_Fuckwit’s blog – (atheism was the smallest thing he ‘knew’ about - there was a lot more about war) - I’d love to take him into a war zone but I just could NOT handle that level of fear again.
As a Vietnam Veteran, that cunt has no fucking idea what war is about when it’s up-close-and-personal. It pisses me off that I gotta use that VV statement. Grrr.
Oh shit. I’m becoming emotional. Tears.
Ah … medication time … that’s better.
Don’t worry. I’m crazy but I know it. Does that mean I’m NOT crazy? LOL

So, whatever, call me immature! Lol.

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Last_Hussar Great Britain (UK) Posted on 07/02/2006 at 04:26 AM

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I am bearding the lion in his den- his first post
I am
I just entered a second post on his answer to my first.  Just think. This person is allowed to vote, drive, and in some places consume alchohol…

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Yossarian Great Britain (UK) Posted on 07/02/2006 at 04:35 AM

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Don’t worry. I’m crazy but I know it. Does that mean I’m NOT crazy?

It’s a hell of a catch, that Catch-22

LuckyJohn19 Australia Posted on 07/02/2006 at 06:18 AM

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LH: I am bearding the lion in his den- his first post
I am
I just entered a second post on his answer to my first.  Just think. This person is allowed to vote, drive, and in some places consume alchohol…

Well done but ... scary, isn’t he??
He’s allowed to go to war too - but he won’t.

Yossarian by any other name is still the Last Hussar: It’s a hell of a catch, that Catch-22

Great movie - a HELLER va long book.
Yeah, you ain’t kidding. If you’re crazy you can get out .... but you can’t get out of it if you front up and say you’re crazy, coz that means you ain’t ....
I found one of my favourite example of the ultimate satire song: http://youtube.com/watch?v=30raYQT9754&search=country%20joe%20and%20the%20fish LOL
AND to think I was once a fully trained, fully programmed, fucking MAD, mean green killing machine - how I’ve changed - here, chook, chook, chook. LOL
It all seems so long ago.

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elwedriddsche United States Posted on 07/02/2006 at 08:36 AM

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A priceless comment by the twit himself, after being called on erecting strawmen:

As for the idea that this is a strawman argument, I see nothing wrong with using it. Its done all the time to Theists.

ROTFLMAO!!!

What college is he going to? He doesn’t seem to get his tuition’s worth.

As for Godless Ethics, this is an interesting concept and should be explored.

News at 11! Just as somebody else commented, all ethics is godless. It’s just that only some of us know it.

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moses United States Posted on 07/02/2006 at 12:44 PM

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Even though my faith can at best be described as a “half-hearted agnostic,“ I have to admit that from a purely logical point of view atheism makes the most sense!
Just goes to show that a lot of us humans aren’t all that logical.

elwedriddsche United States Posted on 07/02/2006 at 03:24 PM

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From a purely logical point of view, until such time as the theists deliver a coherent definition of a deity that can be falsified, it’s a waste of time pondering what kind of a-something you are.

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danmanning United States Posted on 07/02/2006 at 03:24 PM

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I have to admit that from a purely logical point of view atheism makes the most sense!

I agree.  When you see the craziness in this world, war, political goofery, mass stupidity and man’s inhumanity to man, it makes more sense to think that nobody is up there in charge, because if some “higher-power” were up there and in charge, they would be seriously screwing things up.

Last_Hussar Great Britain (UK) Posted on 07/02/2006 at 04:03 PM

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Yossarian by any other name is still the Last Hussar

Shhhh- our little secret.  I assumed regs would spot me, and it seemed so much better to quote the quoter. 

I don’t think the film does the book justice. Not any particular fault of the film, just a complex book, which I found I needed to reread bits as I went along to get the time line straight.

I’ve posted a second rebuttal on our naive freinds blog.  Little shit a) doesn’t know what he is talking about and b) can’t construct an arguement.

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squirt Canada Posted on 07/02/2006 at 05:04 PM

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OK, I admit it, I’m just looking for a place to post something as I check this place out so I picked this particular thread kind of at random. 

I know a few people who post over here and I’ve finally gotten around to taking a look.

Atheism, a relgion, eh?  I don’t think so.

Atheism, the most logical stance?  I dunno.  It still makes a lot of sense to me, even though I’m not an atheist (at least not anymore).

End of test post.  :D

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Sadie Jane United States Posted on 07/02/2006 at 05:11 PM

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How’s Natley’s whore doing? She still trying to kill you?

I never saw the film, but I read the book recently. Confusing as hell in parts, but I still enjoyed it greatly.

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squirt Canada Posted on 07/02/2006 at 05:59 PM

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I’ve just started re-reading Catch-22 for the umpteenth time.

It’s been a few years since I read it last, but it has one of my favourite little humourous bits on atheism ... where one of the characters (I forget her name) becomes upset because another character (I forget his name, too) ‘misrepresents’ the characteristics of the God she doesn’t believe it.

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elwedriddsche United States Posted on 07/02/2006 at 09:02 PM

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Hi squirt. Does this mean I have to be on my best behaviour now? wink

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