More Americans saying Islam encourages violence, would still elect Muslim President before Atheist.

Posted by Les on Saturday, August 02, 2003 at 10:37 AM. Read 941 times. Tags: , ,
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Every now and then someone who’s been impressed with something I’ve said about politics or religion will drop me an email or say to me in person: “You should run for office.”

I always end up laughing at the suggestion and usually I’m asked why I find the idea of running for office so funny and I point out the fact that I’m an atheist. “So what? I’d vote for you.” Is the common reply I tend to get. I’d be lying if I didn’t admit it is very flattering, but the truth is that it’s very hard for someone who’s honest about his religious stance as an atheist to get elected beyond most local government positions that most voters don’t pay much attention to anyway.  The truth of this can be found in the regular polls conducted by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life, the latest of which was published back on July 24th.

The results of this most recent poll probably won’t surprise too many people. The public perception of the religion of Islam is shifting more toward the negative with 44 percent of the American public saying they believe Islam is more likely than other religions “to encourage violence among its believers.” A significant increase from the 25 percent who said this back in March of 2002. Despite this shift in attitude about Islam in general, only 24 percent of Americans hold unfavorable views of Muslim-Americans and only 38 percent (roughly four-in-ten) say they wouldn’t vote for a well-qualified Muslim for President.

Meanwhile, atheists are still regarded as evil scum by the majority of Americans with 52 percent saying they would not vote for a well-qualified atheist for President. Compare that to only 17 percent who wouldn’t vote for a well-qualified evangelical Christian. Clearly I’d have to lie or avoid questions on my religious outlook in oder to run for any significant office.

Most Americans (53 percent) still oppose allowing gays and lesbians to marry legally as compared with 38 percent who support the idea, but this is actually good news as this is a significant shift from the 65 percent in 1996 who felt homosexuals shouldn’t be allowed to marry. The only two segments of society where a shift in attitude on gay marriages hasn’t changed since 1996 are with white evangelical Protestants (no big surprise) and African Americans (this did surprise me).

“This finding underscores an important fact of American politics,” said E.J. Dionne Jr., co-chair of the Pew Forum and senior fellow at the Brookings Institution. “On questions of religion and morality there’s a remarkable overlap in views of white evangelicals and African Americans, yet these groups couldn’t be more different when it comes to questions of partisan politics and President Bush.”

The shift in public opinion on allowing gay marriages is probably what is causing the President and other Republicans to suddenly scramble on getting something done to make it permanently illegal while they still have (narrow) majority support on the issue. The amendment route is popular because it would put it beyond the reach of the Supreme Court to overrule and with the shift in public attitudes that appears to be in the future on this issue it wouldn’t be surprising if the Supreme Court did throw such a law out in the future just as they have with regards to the Texas sodomy law. Of course, they seem to forget that even amendments can be repealed (see: prohibition).

Some other findings:

-- Religious beliefs also play a significant role in Americans’ understanding of foreign affairs. More than four-in-ten Americans (44 percent) believe that God gave the land that is now Israel to the Jewish people, while a substantial minority (36 percent) thinks that the modern state of Israel is a “fulfillment of the biblical prophesy about the second coming of Jesus.” [Which just goes to show you how dangerous it is to mix politics and religion. -ed.]

-- The public at large is quite comfortable with President Bush’s evocation of faith and what many perceive as his reliance on religious beliefs in making policy decisions. A 62 percent majority thinks Bush strikes the right balance in how much he mentions his religious faith, and nearly as many (58 percent) believe the president’s reliance on religion in policymaking is appropriate.

-- Fully 72 percent of Americans agree that the government should provide universal health insurance, even if it means repealing most tax cuts passed since President Bush took office. Democrats overwhelmingly favor this proposal (86 percent - 11 percent) and independents largely agree (78 percent - 19 percent). Even a narrow majority of Republicans (51 percent) favor providing health insurance for all even if it means canceling the tax cuts, while 44 percent disagree. [Probably the only other bit of good news to come out of this poll. -ed.]

The nationwide survey of 2,002 adults was conducted June 24-July 8 by the Pew Forum and the Pew Research Center and has a margin of error plus or minus 2.5 percentage points.

So, needless to say, I won’t be running for President anytime soon even if I do seem like I have more than the usual amount of common sense to some of you.

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Mild Bill United States Posted on 08/03/2003 at 08:18 AM

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Les, if you get the nomination, I have an excellent choice for your Secretary of Defense smile I really don’t rely on polls much…I believe people generally respond the way they “think” they should, not how they really think.  I think too that people incorrectly equate atheism with hedonism and immorality.  Hell, a Muslim guy is an “atheist” isn’t he?  He doesn’t believe that Jesus was the son of God.  He’ll be burning in the pit in Hell two doors down from me.  I do not characterize myself as an atheist…I guess I’m more of an agnostic.  Hey, can I run?

I’m not the spokesperson for all Blacks…that would be Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton (yes I’m kidding).  The “Black Community”, whatever that nebulous term means, is quite “morally unpredictable”.  Just check out BET some day.  The video of Beyonce Knowles shaking her exceptionally (and I mean EXCEPTIONALLLY!!!) well-endowed form is followed by some evangelical preacher, selling his brand of redemption.  I was amazed to see that hypocrite Peter Popoff on BET just the other day.  He was selling some kind of holy water and included testimonials from “satisfied users” who had been heeeeeaaaalddd-aa!  I say shame on BET for promoting a charlatan like Popoff, but I guess money talks.  You would be quite surprised to hear the attitudes of some Blacks who call themselves “Christian”.  I’m not gonna rat them out here though.

On gay marriage…

I don’t get all the protests against it!  Personally, I think they should be called “civil unions” since that doesn’t “cheapen” the institution of marriage held by the “chosen ones”.  I understand the oppositions’ point of view…allowing gay marriages will cause more homosexuality, just like giving women rights will cause more people to become women.  Also, if you give minorities their civil rights, it will make more people become minorities.  It’s a proven fact Les.  Look at all the white guys running around with dread locks and baggy pants acting like “homeys”!  That’s science baby!  QED!

I get the impression that the right thinks that by not sanctioning “gay unions” they will make gays go away.  From a stand point of inheritance, financial benefits, and employment benefits alone, it seems only reasonable that gay people should be protected by the law. All marriage is really about, under the law, is a contract to decide “who gets stuff”. 

I am not a gay activist…me trying to understand homosexuals is like trying to comprehend the end of outer space.  Well, I could understand female homosexuals who would be attracted to Beyonce Knowles…just kiddin’!  I must assume that whatever makes me get excited about Beyonce Knowles, is the same thing that makes Bob get excited about Ted or Alice get excited about Carol.  That seems so clear to me that I can’t comprehend why we, as a society, do not acknowledge it.  Some would rather call homosexuality a disease or disorder…I wonder if Peter Popoff’s holy water can heeeeaaall-aa them?  Tune in to BET to find out.

Les United States Posted on 08/03/2003 at 11:36 AM

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I don’t know of any Christians that define Muslims as another form of atheist. They do qualify as Pagan, but then Pagan was a word created by the Catholics that pretty much means anyone who believes in a God or Gods other than the Christian God. Being an atheist is generally considered by a lot of people to be the worst you can be because of the lack of faith involved. The implication I most often get seems to be that even though the Muslims and the Wiccans are believing in the wrong God, at least they have faith and thus are better than those wicked, evil atheists.

I’m not exactly a gay advocate myself. I’m just of the same opinion as the Founding Fathers which is pretty much: As long as you’re not harming the person or property of another, do whatever the hell you think you should be doing. If some people find themselves attracted to members of the same gender and can find consenting partners to set up relationships with and aren’t hurting anyone in the process, then I don’t see why they shouldn’t be entitled to the same benefits as heterosexual people.

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Mild Bill United States Posted on 08/04/2003 at 09:17 AM

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Les, I understand that an a-theist doesn’t believe in any theism.  What I meant was their fate is the same as mine…the fiery pit!  I can’t imagine that the “fundies” would want a Scientologist as President!  All that about the A-bombs, volcanoes, and that space ship from the Planet Zatok B343 (or whatever it is).  People might “say” they would vote for an Islamic or Scientologist, or whatever, so as not to appear intolerant.  I think what they really want is a good old boy that believes in the same revealed truth that they do!

Also a minor correction…I don’t believe the Catholics invented the term “pagan” the Romans did.  Apparently the paganus are what we today call “hicks”.  They were peasants (I love that word…so subtly racist…Europeans still use it!) who had little knowledge of the prevailing religious beliefs of the day.  Religious belief was a convention most often practiced by city folk.  Sounds to me like the pagans had the right idea!

Ken United States Posted on 08/04/2003 at 09:54 PM

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Faith is a dangerous thing.  How can the willful abandonment of reason be considered a bonus in regard to modern governance?  Sure, I might cite the Bible to make a literary analogy, the same way I might quote The Lord of the Rings, Catcher in the Rye, or Dumb and Dumber - its a natural way to communicate in a media-rich society.  But these people and their Books....

arsenal United Kingdom Posted on 02/19/2004 at 01:58 PM

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Les

correction:
there is no believe in “theh wrong God”

Muslim, Christain and Jew alike belive in the same God

Les United States Posted on 02/19/2004 at 02:31 PM

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I disagree. While both Christianity and Islam use Judaism as their foundation, the Gods each define is very different from one another in many respects.

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When one reads Bibles, one is less surprised at what the Deity knows than at what He doesn’t know.
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Golix United Kingdom Posted on 02/19/2004 at 03:32 PM

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The way it’s been explained to me by christians is like this: (abridged version)
At some point god (the jewish one) looked down and thought “Wow this isn’t working as intended!”. And thus he sent Jesus.
The way it’s been explained to me by muslims is like this:
At some later point (still the jewish one) looked down and thought “Wow this still isn"t working as intended!”. And so he picked Mohammed and told him to wright a book,
now known as al’Quran or the third testament.
Always the same god just feeling humans needed some additional info to get it.

Brock United States Posted on 02/19/2004 at 04:49 PM

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Golix, would you mind asking the Christians what God’s favorite color is. I’m building him a bookshelf to contain all his books and I want to paint it a festive color.

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lightening Australia Posted on 07/16/2005 at 11:01 PM

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All religions are crazy! They are based on crap. They are the root cause of most of the unrest in the world today. If we suddenly had no religions, the middle east would be peaceful,there would be no terrrorists, india and pakistan would cease to live in a state of tension and so on...to drag these pox ridden remnants of antiquity into the next century, will sound the death knell for human enlightenment and progress,like putting an orangatung in charge of a star ship, or giving it a book on human ethics, tolerance and reason,
and expecting the ape, not only to read it, but to understand what is being said, and act upon it...it ain’t gonna happen…

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