What irks me more than anything about these stories is, if the man had said he got the idea from a rock album or something, everyone would be making a stink about banning/burning the album, dragging the band into court for wrongful death, etc.  Nobody ever says we should ban the Bible*.  What if this man had said Allah had told him to do it?  You can bet there’d be a stink about “those awful godless Muslims.”

On the other hand, when God tells these same people to bomb abortion clinics or kill gays or whatever, the fundies usually adopt a sort of “Oh, we would never condone something like that! (smirk)” attitude.

*Actually, I do remember reading about a library somewhere not allowing anyone under 18 to check out a copy of the Bible because it was an “adult book”.

--Joe

HOLY CRAP!  (pun intended)

As if the Downriver area of Michigan didn’t need any help with people thinkin’ everyone living there are backward hicks or something...Yes I’m a Downriver girl (Wyandotte), no I don’t live in a doublewide and my house does not have wheels...no I don’t have any cars up on blocks in my front yard (or backyard for that matter) and I own no farm animals... I actually have a friend that asks me how the chickens are all the freakin’ time!  It’s a 7 year long runnin’ joke…

Ya know I took a religion and ethics class last semester and we talked a lot about the Abraham sacrificing Issac thing...read “Fear and Trembling” I really think a lot of people have lost their damned minds…

Joe I agree with ya...it’s about time that people stop blaming anything for their own psychotic actions...listening to Marilyn Manson isn’t gonna make anyone shoot anyone...if you’re gonna ban stuff...let’s ban the holy books that cause destruction of so much…

True Believers see no contradiction in what they read in their Bible and what they actually do because they pick the quotations that they like and disregard those that are inconvenient. They might quote “Suffer not a witch to live.” but probably would not burn Samantha Stevens. They see no contradiction in claiming God’s hand when one person escapes an explosion, but conveniently forget all the other dead victims. They see Virgins on dry toast or fence posts, and will weep over a monument with bible quotations on it, they will interfere with people dying, but when their time comes they act quite differently. I’m used to those contradictions.  It’s all a “divine mystery.”

I’ve asked that same question many times.

Jim Jones, David Koresh, Brian David Mitchell (Elizabeth Smarts kidnapper), and various other religious cult figures all claimed to be in contact with god. Many followed these people and typically lead to tragic consequences.

Yet the vast majority of both theistic and atheistic people were comfortable in the notion that they were all nuts. No argument there.

But the irony is that theists bend belief to suit their needs in much the same manner. Yet when a young child dies, “it was gods will”. When they don’t win the lottery, it’s “gods will” again. No matter what happens, good or bad, it was gods will.

This make living pretty easy for the devout theist. It absolves them of any responsibility that could arise from a bad decision. Unfortunately the more unstable or gullible the individual is, the more likely that they will carry out “missions” on his behalf.

It’s a mistake to expect consistency, which is based on rationality, from belief systems that are irrational.  When there’s no consistent way to define why you believe what you do, it’s easy to pick and choose whatever you want.  This is why I see religion as a kind of mass insanity.  The only antidote is science education, starting as young as possible.  The priesthood knows this, which is why they oppose it so vehemently.

But I digress.  Regarding Mr. Guzik - his claim of divine instruction is completely irrelevant.  Anybody could claim this, since it’s unprovable.  Either he’s a nutcase, or he’s pretending to be a nutcase.  I just hope they get his daughter away from him before he does kill her, and at least start her on those science courses real fast.

The only one driving this car is Spocko!

This is my new baby. She’s been keeping me on the streets and off the blogs lately.

To get back on topic, might I suggest Mr Guzik get himself a Jesushorse!
The cops might actually believe him then.

Uh oh, Spocko, are you in that phase of life? The midlife crisis one?

Just kidding, welcome back. I wondered where you’d gone.

Really? Only one for the rest? Not to quote Spaceballs but… “There goes the planet.”

I really dig your new transportation, Spocko- I can see why you’ve been slighting us.  But what’s that picture of a red car doing in your post?

Ha! LOL Brock and Zilch, you guys crack me up!

I want to make a comment on the S.Guzik story, I want to make something clear, that Mr. Guzik never claimed to be a Christian, true believer or a theist. Not everyone who gets pychotic ideas and says they are from God are truly hearing from thee God, the Creator. You have to understand that the enemy will do anything to dishonor the name of God, and he uses such circumstances as these to do so.Also remember, your believing everything you were told by the media. Have some compassion, the man has mental condition. This poor little girl loves her dad so much and what would that be like if she could never see him again. i know for a fact that he loved his daughter so much! For some reason he Freak’in LOST HIS MIND.I know this for a fact cause I am a family member.(Iam not commenting to argue the exsistence of God. You won’t or can’t change my mind so please do not send any negative comments you will be wasting your time.)

I want to make a comment on the S.Guzik story, I want to make something clear, that Mr. Guzik never claimed to be a Christian, true believer or a theist. Not everyone who gets pychotic ideas and says they are from God are truly hearing from thee God, the Creator.

I don’t believe anyone who claims to be hearing from God is hearing from God, let alone Mr. Guzik. Whether the God he believes he’s hearing from is the Christian, Muslim, Jewish, American Indian, or any other God in particular is really a moot point.

You have to understand that the enemy will do anything to dishonor the name of God, and he uses such circumstances as these to do so.

There is no enemy. Not that most of the God’s I’ve ever read about needed one to dishonor his name. Most seem to do it pretty well without any outside help.

Also remember, your believing everything you were told by the media.

Are you suggesting that events didn’t occur as the media has described them? I’ve read several accounts from different local sources and they seem to corroborate each other pretty well. Sounds like you’re making excuses.

Have some compassion, the man has mental condition.

How do you know this for certain? Isn’t it possible that Mr. Guzik may very well have received instructions from God?

This poor little girl loves her dad so much and what would that be like if she could never see him again. i know for a fact that he loved his daughter so much!

It’d probably suck, but if he’s putting her in mortal danger then it’s probably for the best. Or are you suggesting that it’s OK if he sacrifices his daughter because she loves him so much?

“I love you Dad.”
“I love you too sweetheart. Now lay down and hold still. This’ll only sting for a moment.”

For some reason he Freak’in LOST HIS MIND.

Wouldn’t have anything to do with drugs or reading the Bible too much or something, would it?

I know this for a fact cause I am a family member.

So then you should be able to tell us if mental illness runs in the family…

(Iam not commenting to argue the exsistence of God. You won’t or can’t change my mind so please do not send any negative comments you will be wasting your time.)

Then why bother bringing up all the nonsense about “the enemy” using your relative to discredit the supposedly pristine name of God?

On the one hand you want to defend your relatively as having gone a little crazy for some reason you can’t begin to fathom yourself, yet you spend a decent amount of time talking pretty crazy stuff yourself.

You don’t have any kids, do you?

WOW!!
I just stumbled on this website, tryin to find out if Scott had actually been sentenced. Hmmm, seems that the majority of people on this site have alresdy convicted him… I do know him personally. He is a good person that was weakened by events in life, that took a toll on his mind. He became interested in ouija boards, meditation, and the spiritual world. He had purchased some meditation material from a website called higher balance.com. All I can tell you is stay away from that website!!! They are brainwashing people !!! And thats what happened to him. He was listening to them when he was arrested. And had been for weeks .
The family member s right about his daughter . She talks about he dad and prays for him to come home. He is missed by alot of people. If you asked anyone that knows Scott they would tell you that he was a great dad. That includes his ex-wife. The Indiana police can’t find anyone to tell them any thing other than that. I don’t wanna judge anyone for what they believe. All I do know is that he was a normal guy, like most of you. Perhaps he does have a mental condition?? Perhaps he lived thru something we’ve all only dreamed about?? At the end of the day, none of us really know!!
Also the paper reported that he wanted to sacrifice his daughter ...That is exactly the opposite of what he told the police!! The report says that he was running from the demons telling him to sacrifice her!! Because he could never do that. And that God was mad because he wouldn’t do it. So for all you judges out there, I have this question. If you believed that demons were chasing you what would you do?? Where would you turn?? Perhaps someone should stop that website from brainwashing people who are vulnerable !! It amazes me that the police in that area stated that there were several cases like this reported. Yet they aren’t investigating the root of the problem. How many more people are gonna have to fall prey before they are stopped??

If you believed that demons were chasing you what would you do??

When I see a shooting star I don’t think the sky is falling.  When lightning flashes, I don’t think Zeus (or any god) is angry.  When I see an unidentified flying object in the sky, I do not assume it’s alien intelligence.  When I see a blur or reflection in a window that vaguely resembles a human face, I do not think it is Christ (or that God put it there).  When there’s an earthquake, I do not think there are monsters lurking underneath.  When rain threatens to ruin a picnic and I think, “Oh, I hope it stops raining.”, I do not think God has answered my prayers.  When I see a ship sailing towards the horizon, I do not think it is going to fall off the edge.  When the moon goes into eclipse, I do not think a dragon has eaten it.

Because I don’t believe in God, spirits, the afterlife, and so on, I have no reason to believe in demons, Ouija boards, ghosts, or poltergeists.  Therefore I can’t imagine what would make me think demons were after me.  Have I ever been depressed, frantic, panic stricken, anxious, enraged, giddy, disoriented, or had physical pain I couldn’t explain?  Yes.  Did I ever attribute those to demons?  No.  Even if I thought I saw actual demons with red skin and leathery wings and horns and pointy tails (or at least, that’s how artists have imagined them) chasing me, the first thing I’d think was that I was dreaming, hallucinating, or someone drugged my food. 

I’d say religious indoctrination in this case caused this poor man to seek explanations or help outside of God in equally unreliable sources because he couldn’t conceive of any other explanation for his woes.  Brainwashing, whether by those who promote imaginary beings like God and Christ, or those who promote Ouija boards and psychic mediums, is still brainwashing.  If you think that website that sold this man all that spiritual paraphenalia should be held accountable, then I think all churches should be held accountable too--for anyone who was tortured in the inquisition, for any unwed mother or gay man who committed suicide for thinking they were bad, for televangelists and faith healers who scam money from people who probably have troubles like this man.

Does that make this man a bad person?  Not necessarily.  Is it his fault he was “weakened by events in life, that took a toll on his mind.”?  Perhaps, perhaps not, I don’t know the whole story. 

BUT--if his actions threaten the safety of innocent bystanders, then he needs help, and until he gets it and comes to his senses, he needs to be kept where he can’t present a danger to others--be it in a prison or psychiatric institution.

--Joe

My name is Scott D. Guzik and my testimony is this:
I never new God nor was I Christian.  I never knew the only way to God was through the acceptance of Jesus Christ as my saviour.  I believed in spirituaul things and alwayys kept an “open mind” to things of a spiritual nature.
No mental disorders run in my family, nor the three psych evals I’ve had since my tribulation show my experience as anything more than an isolated psychotic episode.  Psychosis is nothing more than believing in something that becomes your reality (from the definition I was told by the doctor).  I had a loving relationship with my daughter and was accused on occasions of spoiling her.  I was 37 at the time of this incident and was making some life changes to better myself (dieting, working out, trying to quit smoking) and I came across some meditation package from Higherbalance.com .  I didn’t think anything was potentially bad about meditation.

I would like to talk about these meditation cd’s.  They promised “Amazing Guaranteed results” of a spiritual nature, and also warned of supernatural/metaphysical happenings although it was nothing unpleasant.  After a few weeks of using these cd’s, strange things did begin happening, visions, strange dreams, information of a spiritual nature coming to mind.  It was nothing unpleasant up to a certain point.  Then when things took a turn for the unpleasant, I called higherbalances support line and they told me not to get caught up in the emotion of it all and encouraged me to continue on to the next of the program.

It was after that, I fled in fear of my life with my daughter.  I fled under what I will call spiritual attack.  All the pleasant “good vibratoin feelings” promised by this program became painful and terrifying.  I wont go into detail of all the strange happenings, but if you do a search of forums of this product and other products offered by higherbalance, you will find other peoples testimonies of “strange happenings” and some refuse to tell of theirs lest people think them crazy.  Like Cherie had said, my story was, something was communicating to me what to do and it wasn’t my will, however that’s not what the prosecution put out in the news.

The truth of my story was twisted and sensationalized and I was given my 15 minutes of shame and still suffer because the truth of my story hasn’t come to light.  Even I didn’t know the truth of my story because it ultimately wasn’t God comminicating to do an evil thing.  The cd’s promise a spiritual awakening and claim to have binaural technology embedded in it.  I know very little about how this happens and what binaural technology is.  I discovered, three days after being locked up, what the truth is.  I met a man with a Bible and accepted Jesus as my savior.  Much of the truth of what happened to me is in the Word of God.

It was by God’s grace that me and my daughter are alive and I am grateful.  The Lord was there to protect us as my vehicle was speeding at 130+ mph.  I’ve prayed as to why this was allowed to happen to me and the Word tells this:  as you sow so shall you reap.  I have lived a life of sin, idolatry, fornication, adultery, pride, and turning my back on God everytime someone offered me Jesus (and scorning them on top of it).  I always considered my way better than others because I have had a good life, good job, and a wonderful daughter that I prided myself on as being a good father.  I have none of that now, even to this day, but I do have Jesus.

I am hopeful the Lord has a good plan for my life and will restore my life even better than before.  Many of my family members still suffer the shame of my actions and are dismayed that I no longer care to do the things I use to do and/or behave the way I use to.  I pray for their salvation and ask any other Christians to pray for them as well.  I am no better than them, just forgiven.  Thank you Jesus.

Somehow the knowledge that you went from one overly credulous belief system to another doesn’t really improve my opinion of you, Scott. You traded one set of silly beliefs for another and think it’s actually saved you. Well, good luck with that.

Totally QueensRyche Operation Mindcrime.

Honestly, Scott ‘had me at hello’ right up to the
point where he hd been saved.

I think he gives himself far less credit than hes due.
God couldnt possibly have been there to ‘watch over’ him
at 130+ mph. We all know that god doesnt
waste time on hethans or forgive all sins until you ‘let’
him/her/it actually into your heart/head/life.
So say the Christianesque folk anyway.

Im sure its possible the media helped in the fucking of Scott,
but the fact remains: he got himself into the situation.

Also, I had completely forgot about this and couldnt identify
this guy or his situation from Adam until he posted and
reminded us all again.

Totally QueensRyche Operation Mindcrime.

My wife’s favorite group, and probably her favorite album by them. 

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Totally QueensRyche Operation Mindcrime.

You nailed it on the head, Qoayn. As for you, Scott, I suggest you seek help.

My name is Scott D. Guzik and my testimony is this

My Name is God, and My Testimony is this.

I never told anyone to kill anyone.  I never said any of your misinterpretations were better than any of the others.  I never flooded the earth and killed day-old babies.  I never said don’t be gay.  I don’t guide you, or kill people before their time, or let you win the lottery.

Honestly, what is the point of setting up a highly detailed operating system that allows it all to look after itself, and give you lot free will, if I am going to get blamed for everything?

When I said free will, I meant it.  Now stop arguing and pretending that little green pieces of paper will make you happy, because, by-and-large, it isn’t the small pieces of paper that are unhappy.  Just look after one another and improve the place- I put it all in your hands.  The fact you ate the dodos WHEN I SPECIFICALLY LEFT A MESSAGE TELLING YOU NOT TO DO SO is NOT my fault.

Love Light and Peace

God

PS- Sadie- Rolling Stones.

PPS- I want to make it quite clear ANY election involving GW Bush is NOTHING to do with me.  In fact can you get him to stop calling.  Coming home to ‘you have – 27 - new messages’ really puts a damper on the evenings.

PS- Sadie- Rolling Stones.

Pleased to meet you, God. Hope you’ve guessed my name.

Pleased to meet you, God. Hope you’ve guessed my name.

I could not foresee this thing happening to you.

I can’t get no satis faction. (yes, satis is a word. Look it up)

Queensryche deserve to be worshiped for Silent Lucidity alone. Damn that’s a good song!

Yesterday don’t matter if it’s gone.

Queensryche deserve to be worshiped for Silent Lucidity alone. Damn that’s a good song!

Agreed! It had a real Pink Floyd-flavor to it, which is always a good thing.

You traded one set of silly beliefs for another and think it’s actually saved you. Well, good luck with that.

As long as Jesus doesn’t tell him to go for another joyride with his daughter, it’s an upgrade, I’d say.

And Spocko- what happened to your other “wheels”?