You can bet your bottom dollar that “the great unwashed”, that silent majority detest the arrogance of Michael Moore and the only way that we can retaliate is to NOT VIEW, BUY, OR RENT HIS MOVIES. Not going to debate why he is wrong and arrogant because I could not change any minds that are already made. All I can do is to ensure that Moore never benefits from my money as long as he lives.            JW Burris

You can bet your bottom dollar that “the great unwashed”, that silent majority detest the arrogance of Michael Moore and the only way that we can retaliate is to NOT VIEW, BUY, OR RENT HIS MOVIES.

Hmmm. Your “silent majority” must be pretty small. The book Stupid White Men was on the NY Times Best Seller list for over a year. Bowling for Columbine had earned over $30 million before it won the Oscar.

Is Michael Moore wrong and arrogant? Perhaps he is. Regardless you’re a little late in the game to try and convince people not to buy his books and movies. He’s already made butt-loads of money off of them. Perhaps he’ll never benefit from your money, but it doesn’t sound like he needs to at this point. He’s got the money from the rest of your “silent majority” to play with.

Moore is a self loathing obese and unkempt blathering idiot.

He is what Lenin and Stalin called “Useful idiots”. They used that term to describe Westerners who would support thier cause without knowing the full extent (damage) of what they were supporting.

Moore has shown himself to be one of Saddams “useful idiots”.

Moore has a personality type that I would describe at best as rebellious and worst as traiterous. He doesn’t care about those around him and wishes only to cause chaos.

If he lived in Iraq he would support Iran. If he lived in Iran he would support Iraq etc etc…

If he were your brother and you had a warrant out for your arrest he would call the cops.

He just has this spirit about him that you know he would sell your soul for a nickel if he could. And then he would make a movie about it and make a buck off it. Then he would try to get a standing ovation for it at the Oscars.

I don’t think he has a grudge against America or White people or Republicans in particular…he just has an incessant urge to sell out. You always have to watch your back if you are around him. We all have people like that in our lives.

Michael Moore is a perfect example of that personality type. He wraps himself up in “social justice” but you can tell he has that spirit of a sell out. Maybe he is mad at his parents or something and has blamed them for his being American or White.

He is the epitomy of the 1960’s “revolution”.

He will support any 3rd world dictator that comes along…he will support anything Anti-American…the only thing he won’t support is moving his fat lazy self loathing pasty white ass out of the comfort of his “homeland”.

He is like a virus. He lives on his host and yet relies on his host to survive…but eventually he will overtake it and kill it.

Surely he could find a nice home in France? He could afford a small villa on the French Riviera by now.

I can’t imagine anything lower than this guy. He just gets his nuts off by twisting screws in the backs of anyone around him regardless of whether they are right or wrong.

Stacey commented on May 26, 2003 06:50 AM

My, my. Lot of opinions tossed around in that one, but little to back those opinions up.

If you would be so kind I would love it if you would please cite three third-world dictators that he has supported. With quotes from him to indicate his support. Just three. If you can do that then we may have the beginnings of a conversation here. Otherwise you’re just ranting aimlessly and there’s no point in engaging it further.

Just because one is anti-bush does not make him/her anti-American! Wanting to take away someones freedom of speech or force them into harms way, as Mr.Longwene suggested, does make one anti-American or even Saddam like. I wonder if all these “never question bush, all Americans” would oppose Bush declairing himself emperor? Furer? It is not only our right to question the government, it is our obligation as free people! I’m sick of all you Alex P. Keaton, Nixon loving, Bush Boners using our Bill of Rights as GOP toilet paper! We must not allow ourselves to be ruled by a political party! Remember men have died to protect our rights (freedom of speech is just one of many) not for our leader to be immune from criticism! Les for Prez in 04!

This is a little off the subject but, Debbie Schlussel is a stupid ass hypocrite! If “the fact” is that men are made to be bread winning, hunter-gatherers why is she earning money doing talk radio! Yes Debbie, What happened to women being women! Why are you not in the kitchen making me a sandwich!
Andrew, why are you listening to a woman who clearly is stating that a man’s place is in the workforce and a woman’s is in the home. In her world women should not be allowed an opinion!! so why is she even opening her mouth for anything other than food or her husband’s manhood?!

you support moore and the dixie chicks. I just HAVE to know…. are you on crack?

I’m assuming that the above is directed to me. The truth is that I don’t support either Moore or The Dixie Chicks, at least not as in actually buying anything they’ve produced. I do support their right to speak their opinions, however, and I do agree with some of the things they have said. Not everything, but some things.

If you want to debate the merits of what they’ve said, fine. But if all you’re going to do is toss out poorly written wise-cracks, well, let’s just say it doesn’t do anything to win converts to your point of view.

Well, to all of you people who are anti-free speech, anti-choice, and anti-American you really weren’t going to ever spend any of your money going to see a Michael Moore film or read one of his books anyhow so your threat of hitting him where it hurts? Not very convincing. Almost as convincing as me saying that I am going to tithe my 10% at church this Sunday.

So you don’t like Moore or the Dixie Chicks…so what? I am sure they are losing sleep because a bunch of Johnny COE wanna-bes and a nation of church ladies wont buy their stuff “any more”. Go listen to Rush Limbaugh and the Grand Wizard of the KKK, probably your more your speed. Just remember that for every cross you burn you earn another candle in heaven.

And while everyone here is speaking their mind, remember we still get our information from the media: our perspective is shaped by the limitations and emphasis of the information we’re given. On June 2, the FCC will vote to change long established laws that work to keep the press and airways free and public. If Michael Powell gets his way, the big corporations—people like Rupert Murdoch, owner of Fox news—will be allowed to complete their mission in becoming the grand pooh-bah thought-police, nothing left in their way as they take over your hometown wholehog. Restriction in ownership of newspaper, radio, and tv will be lifted, leaving you prey to whoever has 1) the most cash, and 2) the greatest desire to control.

This isn’t about thinking liberal or conservative; it’s about freedom to think at all. Please read and tell your friends to read:
  http://www.pbs.org/now/politics/mediaconsol.html

and http://www.openairwaves.org/telecom/report.aspx?aid=16

We are at a crossroads. Which side are you on? Freedom or propaganda. Not deciding and not participating, those are decisions too.

Who today can better understand what Michael Moore denounced as a stupid War seeing what America’situation in Iraq is today, not knowing whether your country really shows you what the truth is like in Iraq today, I hope one day you’ll understand that imposing a cultural pattern on people believing that your culture is the best is not the solution, before trying to solve other people’s problems have a look at the facts in Michael Moore (whatever his comments are they are FACTS) and starting realizing what numerous mistakes your country is committing. Be sure that by endeavouring to solve problems, you create twice as many instead. Saddam’s disappearance from Iraq is certainly a great thing but many other means like those depicted by Moore would have been much wiser. as for those saying that Moore hates his country I think he loves it much more than most of American but he hates seeing it destroying itself, destroying its American lives , destroying their jobs while making benefits, destroying soldiers lives in Iraq under the hidden pretence of taking control over a part of the world which had escaped Amrica’s control. May peace be in the world, and capitalism stop believing it’ll bring happiness into our lives.

I’m just overwhelmed by the intelligence of the comments made here. You’re all so witty and smart, throwing around insults at each other. I read almost no actual facts from either side. I hope all the ranting has made you feel better about yourselves.

I hope all the ranting has made you feel better about yourselves.

Well, yeah actually, we do. Thanks.

Disgusted, It almost makes me feel as good as making little pissy comments makes you feel. Try not to fall off that high horse.

I think Michael Moore is great. We’re lucky that someone cares enough to investigate the problems we’re having in America, who cares if he’s making money from it. Good for him.  He still cares and inspires others to think deeper about society’s problems and act to try to change things.  He’s trying to open people’s eyes to these problems.  If people really think that our economy is great, our obsession with violence is OK and that the government is constantly trying to distract us from their lies and deception.  These people need to open their eyes and open their ears to what Michael Moore is trying to say.

Actually I’m just stoked that the economy is finally picking up due to the Bush tax cuts. . .  Clearly that Nobel economist didn’t know what he was talking about when he described the Bush economic plan as the “worst. . .  in the history of this country.”

See?

http://www.thenation.com/edcut/index.mhtml?bid=7

:devil:

Hey, only one in eight Americans below the poverty line now!  Woohoo!  I think I’ll grab a sixpack and celebrate! 

(Uh, can someone lend me a few bucks for a sixpack?)

I am neither a supporter nor an opponent of Michael Moore. I agree with hime some of the time, and I disagree with him at other times. I saw “Roger and Me” years ago, and I recall it being a worthwhile film, but I recently saw “Bowling for Columbine”, and was left disappointed. There are some good points in it, primarily on the media, but it is quite disjointed, and leaves you wondering what his point was. At the beginning we find out America is violent because of all our guns, and then later he visits canada, and they have lots of guns, but little violence. Then we find out the news media in canada doesn’t show all the negative aspects that our news media does, so then it must be the news media showing violence. Then he goes back to bashing the “gun culture”, and ambushes Charleton Heston at his home. So what the hell is his point on this one? Is America bad because of guns (though he shows canada is doing fine despite that), or is it the news media? He never covers the real reasons we have so much violence, like the despair of poverty that leaves people thinking they cannot succeed, or the abysmal education system that leaves them incapable of doing so.

He never covers the REAL REASONS we have so much violence because nobody knows.  If we knew the answer to that one, maybe we would have a plan to fix it….  I think the point of him ambushing Heston is to find out why he held those meetings so close after the Columbine massacre and after the poor little 6 year old who was shot by another 6 year old.  He said he has the right to hold them when and where he wants, that’s his right in America. Sure it’s his right but in many eyes it made him very insensitive.

As for Bush’s tax cuts,  all the people that really need them, well, they are still poor.  The tax cuts for the middle class still suck.  But the rich people are stil rich. Woohoo!!

Actually, I was being sarcastic when I hailed Bush’s tax cuts as being responsible for an economic recovery.  The link I tacked on points out that calling the current economic situation a “recovery” is like claiming that someone who is drowning in a swimming pool is “less drowned” than someone who is drowning in an ocean.

(The poor are going to stay poor, because as Carlan once pointed out, it’s walking past homeless people on the way to work that convinces us to put up with our boss’s bullshit, instead of stabbing him in the hand with a pair of scissors.)

Actually, nowiser, it’s Carlin, not Carlan.

Just thought I’d be a prick.  :D

And as for Moore’s point on the gun issue: I think his standpoint in the movie lied in the fact that it was a combination of the two that leads to our terribly violent society.  The fact that guns are so easily accessable, that our society seems to embody violence as its major focus (hence the evening news), and that our politics are screwed up to the point that our citizens have to fight to get health care to LIVE all converge to make an eccessively volitile environment for kids today.  I don’t think it lied with any specific blame, but I would have to agree that the arrangement of the information was done a bit wrong near the end.

And as for “Disgusted”, he/she might want to consider the fact that there are some points based mostly on opinion.  And hell, Bush supporters don’t even have any worthwhile facts to present anyway.  This is why so much of modern American politics is a collection of nonsensical, stupid, pigheaded bullshit and misinformation.

That’s MY opinion, anyway…

Actually, George Carlin stole that bit from my good friend George Carlan.  They’re not related.  I swear.  It’s true.  So I didn’t spell it wrong, you just didn’t understand the whole history. . . which means that I’m RIGHT and you’re WRONG.  And that is as it should be, because I’m ALWAYS right.  :ignore:

(alright. . .  you busted me. . . prick.):pout:

Michael Moore is a degenerate, lying, hypocritical bastard. He is scum of the earth; the lowest bottom feeder in the Hollywood slime pool.

I wouldn’t give him the sweat off my balls if he was in the desert dying of thirst.

He and his ilk deserve to be relegated to the trash bin of history.

And yet he seems such a lesser evil in comparison to Coulter.

You all so silly.

btw ‘fictitious’ president refers probably to fact that George Jr got less than half the vote. That means most you people (the 8% who vote) didn’t vote for him.

Actually, I was just wondering why you people are thinking america is democratic. It has one one political party more than China or North Korea and less political diversity than Iran.

And now you sillies are getting ‘knicker in knot’ because Ralph “Snowball in Hell” is decided to run.

Stop your whinings about 2nd rate political commentators and fix your electoral system and join the civilised world!

HAHA!

To all of you complaining that Bowling was disjointed, didn’t make its point etc, I have thisto say: Mr Moore was not going to give you the answer. He doesn’t have the answer. He was kind of hoping that maybe you would just go away and think about the whole thing.

He gave you enough information (and its all pretty much true despite the grumblings of some right-of-right commentators, see http://www.michaelmoore.com for a rebuttal) to really get your brains working.

I suspect if he tried to give a simple explanation, it would have been ignored. But by just giving the facts (I know, people disagree that these are facts, but you can go to the primary sources yourself (shit that’s an idea), instead of the 3rd hand views, opinions and distortions of your favorite commentator), Mr Moore puts YOU in the position of deciding for yourself.

Some people say that an informed electorate is a prerequisate for effective democracy. So, INFORM YOURSELF!

Kind Regards,

The Great Satan’s Little Helper