Perhaps you neglected to read:

“I see no need for the X-ray device.“

My post, quite decidely, explained in rather graphic details why x-ray machines are certainly necessary.

My-o-my, we’re in deeper ignorance than i even thought possible. Since when do magnatometers detect explosives ?  Not all bombs (or detonators) are metal in nature.

Learn:

Shed your Disneyland-mentality.

Last time I flew, which was a while ago, I had to remove my coat as I walked through the metal detector.  Explain to me how a bomb isn’t going to be seen through clothing.  Also the pyrotechnic fuse needs to be started by a flame.  How the fuck do you plan on getting matches or a lighter pass TSA.  Why don’t you not only fix your link which doesn’t work, but fucking read it before you post on here and basically call me an idiot.

Shed my Disneyland-mentality?  Ok yea hold on let me awake from my fantasy land I am apparently living in.  Oh wait… that’s right, there hasn’t been a single reported case of a bomb being brought on a plane and ignited.  Unless I missed the article, but I couldn’t find one.  Especially one that was brought on through the USA.

Webs, I wouldn’t read too much into what Rob Adams writes. To put it gently, he’s a little “out there” regarding some of his ideas.

1) FUSES, DETONATORS, and BOMBS: Not all bombs are detonated by flames. By merely mixing chemicals, or injecting a chemical into a body’s surgically implanted cavity, a bomb can be easily ignited.  These are called “binary bombs”.  These were widely reported on, recently, due to the UK Flight Plot foiled by British security services.

2) WHERE BOMBS ARE PLACED: Your coat was, i hope, x-ray’d, even though it could have been soaked in an explosive (see my post re Bojinka dolls).  And, not all bombs are hidden underneath clothing (see my post regarding surgically implanted cavities).

3) COPY_N_PASTE TUTORIAL: Merely copy-n-past the link i provided.  The closing paranthesis was, due to the forums’ parser, left of the URL.  It worth your effort, as it will elucidate many of your questions, and misunderstanding.

4) DISNEYLANDER:  alQaeda has not attempted to bomb US-originating flights since 9/11v1, yet.  Even American security knows alQaeda has, willingly, not tried this since 9/11v1—because their waiting for a big, multi-theatre event, rather than a small attempt that might cause us to ramp up security.

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I’ve posted this before, i believe, here, but…
Before 9/11 UBL spoke regarding the future campaign effort to destroy America as a world-power.  Describing the upcoming 9/11 he raised his arm and pointed to his finger tip:
“This is the first stage, G-d willing. Then, the second event is of this measure, in increasing magnitude [pointing to his wrist]—- and this is the last that shall destroy America as a world-power [pointing to his elbow]“ (paraphrased)

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Beware the Disneylanders.
They’ll get us all killed with their ignorance.

Webs, I wouldn’t read too much into what Rob Adams writes. To put it gently, he’s a little “out there” regarding some of his ideas.

Yeah, i’m a real crazy guy.

Everything i’ve mentioned is mainstream, if you read publications beyond Mother Earth, Utne Reader, and liberal blogs.

Want more sources?  Just let me know.

A passenger can be quite harmlessly scanned with THz rays, which basically show him naked to the screen. Also, explosives have a specific signature in THz range, and the system can be programmed to make them stand out.  So x-rays are really not necessary if you don’t mind someone seeing you naked.

But THz won’t penetrate the skin, which still leaves other possibilities.  The only answer is to have passengers anaesthetized and put in transport tubes which are loaded on the plane.  Then they can be revived at the other end of the flight and the survivors can go get their luggage. 

didn’t we have some discussions about rob before?

Now, here’s a crazed guy, with disinformation too! (i too love to dismiss others with the such banter, but i ethically can’t do it too often, unlike some sexy posters here)

But THz won’t penetrate the skin, which still leaves other possibilities.  The only answer is to have passengers anaesthetized and put in transport tubes which are loaded on the plane.  Then they can be revived at the other end of the flight and the survivors can go get their luggage.

X-Rays do show explosives, given their extremely high density—a sure marker, if properly calibrated and the employee correctly trained.  Next time you fly, look at the x-ray video, and you’ll see all sorts of cool colourings: each representing a different kind of “material”.  As the machines deployed become more advanced they’ll even textually lable the material for the employee.

didn’t we have some discussions about rob before?

So lame.

(Please, refute anything i said, with sources.)

DoF: ... and the survivors can go get their luggage.

All right, since you offered.

The fabric soaked in explosives and the surgically implanted bombs? Sources, please.

The plot was foiled in early 1995 when a fire broke out in the apartment where some of the plotters were working. Among the things found when the police investigated was Mr. Yousef’s laptop computer, containing a file called Bojinka. The police also found dolls wearing clothes containing nitrocellulose, according to the 9/11 report.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/10/world/europe/09cnd-bojinka.html?ex=1160193600&en=7b808038f5840895&ei=5070

And, please, don’t get into a tirade if you can’t acess the URL.  Just email me and i can give you my access details to the site.

Oops, sorry i missed the other need…
Regarding surgically implanted bombs, here’s a google:

http://www.google.com/search?q="surgically+implanted+bomb"&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official

Sorry, that google isn’t the best (i’m trying to juggle calls and this thread).

More to the point:

http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,48349-0.html

“It absolutely can be done and very easily, and there’s no reason to believe that wouldn’t be possible,“ said Dr. Harvey Kushner, chairman of the criminal justice department at Long Island University. Kushner is also a terrorism expert who testified at the criminal and civil cases that followed the bombings of the U.S. embassies in Africa, the first World Trade Center attack, and the destruction of Pan Am flight 103.

As the article details, in security these are known as “terror mules.“

But THz won’t penetrate the skin, which still leaves other possibilities.  The only answer is to have passengers anaesthetized and put in transport tubes which are loaded on the plane.  Then they can be revived at the other end of the flight and the survivors can go get their luggage.

LOL, ok maybe I will fly in that scenario.

Where are the counter-sources?  Refutations?
None?

I guess my sources are just too “out there”, eh ?

I didn’t ask for the sources to refute you, rob. I asked because I was actually interested.

Thank you, by the way. Interesting reading. Might make good background for a story at some point.

Multi-continent genocide, at least in my library, make poor reading.

Rob: Everything i’ve mentioned is mainstream, if you read publications beyond Mother Earth, Utne Reader, and liberal blogs.

Well, for personal ideological reasons I am drawn to the liberal side of the news media, yet I like to think that I get the bulk of my news from more mainstream, balanced sources (particularly favorites of mine are SFGate, The Guardian, the BBC, and The New York Times). In none of these news outlets or any others have I encountered anything that resembles what you have put forward, nor have I ever run across mainstream support for some of the ideas that you have propounded in the past (which seem to almost have an air of dystopian science-fiction).

Am I a Disneylander? I hope not. Disney World is far superior. 

P.S. It’s Mother Jones, not Mother Earth. And Les can come in here and spank me if I’m mistaken, but I would for the most part classify SEB as a liberal blog.

Webs: ok maybe I will fly in that scenario. 

It would certainly do wonders for those of us with airplane phobias! 

Well, for personal ideological reasons I am drawn to the liberal side of the news media, yet I like to think that I get the bulk of my news from more mainstream, balanced sources (particularly favorites of mine are SFGate, The Guardian, the BBC, and The New York Times). In none of these news outlets or any others have I encountered anything that resembles what you have put forward

Ummm…  Wrong.
I did quote the NYTimes.  (see above???)

Maybe the CIA/Men-in-Black deleted it from your copy???

Multi-continent genocide, at least in my library, make poor reading.

Actually, I was thinking more along the lines of a spy thriller with the methods you mentioned being employed by the bad guys. Just a passing thought, don’t know if I’ll ever get around to writing it. My work at the moment is more of the hard boiled P.I. variety.

However, I don’t think you were making a literary remark, there, just sniping back at some imagined slight. Whisch is odd, I think, as I’m one of the few in this thread who hasn’t attacked you at all. I just made an honest request for some info, and when you provided it, I thanked you. Why the attitude?

Thanks for mailing me the Times article, Rob. I’ve perused it, and it’s certainly interesting (though hardly watertight proof for your ideas).

By the way, I don’t think you’re “crazy.“ I do think your ideas are often a little eccentric (or “out there,“ as I previously put it), but there’s nothing wrong with that. I was responding to Webs above, who understandably got defensive at your suggestions that he was living in “Disneyland.“

However, I don’t think you were making a literary remark, there, just sniping back at some imagined slight. Whisch is odd, I think, as I’m one of the few in this thread who hasn’t attacked you at all. I just made an honest request for some info, and when you provided it, I thanked you. Why the attitude?

I don’t find real-world scenarios of mass-killings entertaining.

Although some might imagine the above statements more sci-fi than credible (which is bizarre, given such sources: NYTIMES, WIRED MAGAZINE, etc.) these prospects that NAmerica and the EU will face the loss of multiple cities is quite real, and quite plausible.

In the same way i would avoid contemporary fictionalizations of 9/11, i’d avoid any literary attempts at these scenarios, too.  I just think it’s bad taste, and destracts from the publics’ realization that these events, in all likelihood, shall happen in our lifetimes given the state of NAMerican security.

Also, let’s read the above (see Sady’s bizarro comments that, somehow, ignore my sourced comments) and you’ll understand any hesitancy toward your solicitations for sourcing.

This is not an episode of McGyver to be peddled amongst LA writer forums.  This is politics of the most lethal type.

UBL and his killer-folk are not a docu-drama for profit or fun. They are real, ready, and waiting.

Well, that would put Tom Clancy and Robert Ludlum right out of business.

Personally, I’ve always felt the cautionary fiction does a better job of educating the general public on dangers than any news media has been able to do.

Just from a criminal justice stand point, can you imagine a jury full of people that have watched CSI ever letting O.J. Simpson get away with murder?

Sadie, there’s actually a Mother Earth News magazine in addition to Mother Jones.

Mother Earth News is considered a hippie magazine as it covers topics such as Geodesic Dome Homes, how to compost, installing solar power on your house, and so on. I’m very familiar with it as my dad has had a subscription to it for as long as I can remember. I have to admit that I’ve long found the articles in it entertaining to read, but I’m not enough of a handyman to undertake most of them.

Mother Jones is more of a political news magazine. I’m not as familiar with it, but I’ve heard good things.

As for SEB being a liberal blog that’s more a side effect of my own leanings than an intentional design. It wasn’t really my aim to make it representative of any particular political ideology, but you can’t write about the big issues without your own ideological bent shining through.