What do you think science is Les? It’s a study of God’s technology. We’re getting closer and closer to understanding how the world works, but further and further from the most fundamental scientific truth: that God is all energy. All energy comes from God and goes back to him. It’s a perfect cycle.

What are emotions if not energy? What explaination is there for the functions of our minds and bodies if not an unseeable, all-encompassing energy? Of course its all a product of physical evolution, but random chance has nothing to do with it. Science has proven that physicality IS condensed energy. So what, then, is energy and where does it come from?

Why is the idea of a God so absurd? When you think about how complex we are, as Brock pointed out:

“There is a universe in any direction that we look, an infinite texture to every object. As far as we know the universe is not only infinitely immense but infinitely enduring, and possibly reflects limitless design and variation potentials. What kind of God would give us a religion that would deal with only a tiny portion of time and space that we can hope to physically verify. Why create a reality for us and give us such a limited book reflecting such confined beliefs, events and characters as the Bible to describe it?“

To me it’s absurd that there isn’t a design. The idea that random chance has resulted in the All That Is seems a bit loony. But I’ll agree with you on the absurdity of the Bible being the only book for us to reference, because it definately is not! Why do we think God stopped inspiring books after the bible? I believe he’s been inspiring people to reveal all kinds of truth throughout history. We just don’t really listen too well. We don’t read between the lines.

I think God has revealed larger and larger truths to us as we’ve “grown up” as a species, knowing when we can handle what information. And I think it’s only recently that he’s revealed certain scientific truths about Himself because its only now that we can understand them.

But for like prophecies and stories God writes, everyone takes everything so literally. Like Nostradamus. Everyone looks at his prophecies and tries to match up specific words to specific real-time events. But why couldn’t he have made a FEW specific predictions, but some have been metaphors for a grander truth?

I believe God is a children’s storybook writer. Whenever we try to examine the nature of God and are supremely puzzled by Him, I think we fail to take his nature into account. I believe God to be a child at heart. He likes stories, he likes love, he likes playing like a little child. But everyone on earth thinks that if there is a God he must be some stern tough guy who has put us all to a test that we must pass, or we die.

Bit I think God is a child trapped in an adult’s body. I see her as an aching heart because his children don’t enjoy the same level of child-like joy and wonder that he does. I see Her as a regretful parent because of the misery this world has caused us, and I see Him as working around the clock to fix it by helping us realize the truth of Him/Her.

So all I’m saying is that I think we get confused about the nature of God because we apply our own nature to Him. I think He/She/It is a lot simpler than we think, but we assume He is complicated because we are. And I don’t mean the level of his physical reality, because that’s definately complicated. I mean his nature as a being unto “his” or “herself”.

So anyway, that’s my two cents.
Peace ya’ll,

- Jesus

We’re getting closer and closer to understanding how the world works

Read up on Langton’s Ants, then reflect on the ramifications of knowing the Theory of Everything.

Once somebody starts to talk about “energy”, I tend to tune out… It would be interesting, however, to cut and paste J’s posts into a fundie forum.

I’m curious why you insist on using the name of a Christian figure to post your replies when it’s clear that there’s very little about your religious views that line up with Christian tenets? The concepts you’re presenting are, as I said, more New Age than Christian and you’ve already rejected some of the more major aspects of Christian teachings—such as the idea of Hell—so there’s little point in your dressing your comments up as being at all Christian let alone from Jesus himself. Your insistence in doing so just gives us no good reason to take anything you have to say seriously. I don’t have a problem with people using pseudo-names, but pretending to speak for a religious figure when you’re making statements that contradict his own teachings is just asinine. The Christians don’t need any help in misrepresenting their religion and I’m sure most of them would appreciate it if you’d stop representing your views as being those of Jesus.

Now then I’ll address your attempt to take common scientific concepts and warp them to your religious views:

Yes, it’s true that science shows us that matter and energy are just different forms of the same thing, but your conclusion that all energy comes from God and returns to God is not supported by that concept in any way. If you were more familiar with the theory you’re attempting to utilize you’d know that it also says that energy cannot be created or destroyed so the idea that it “comes from” and “goes to” God in some sort of cycle is also unsupported. You go on to ask what energy “is” and where it “comes” from which makes it clear that you don’t have a full grasp of the scientific concept of Energy you’re trying to mold to your beliefs.

What are emotions if not energy?

Emotions are a description of the state of a person, not a form of energy. You can’t build a device that can detect the amount of fear in the surrounding environment or in a person. Nor the amount of love or the amount of happiness or what have you. This shows you’re as poorly studied on concepts from the field of psychology as you are on the field of physics.

What explaination is there for the functions of our minds and bodies if not an unseeable, all-encompassing energy?

I suggest you sign up for community college courses in various sciences. It would answer a lot of your questions such as this one.

Of course its all a product of physical evolution, but random chance has nothing to do with it.

At last you manage to say something that is absolutely 100% correct! Amazing!

Sadly, the reason you think it’s correct and the actual reason it’s correct are two different things so it’s a hollow victory. Still, it’s true that Evolution isn’t a random chance process.

Why is the idea of a God so absurd?

That answer depends on what your concept of God happens to be, some are more absurd than others, but the primary reason is the simple fact that there’s not much, if anything, that supports the concept so far.

You seem to be trying to take the scientific definition of energy and infuse it with a self-awareness that makes conscious decisions about the nature of reality and the only proof you can muster for your argument is your own ignorance of possible alternative explanations for your questions. The refrain of “Well what ELSE could it be?“ is common and popular.

To me it’s absurd that there isn’t a design. The idea that random chance has resulted in the All That Is seems a bit loony.

Your inability to grasp that there is no design to the Universe doesn’t invalidate the possibility in the least. Why do you feel it is absurd that there isn’t a design? Why do you think that science says “All That Is” is a result of random chance? Random chance doesn’t figure into all that many scientific theories despite the common belief to the contrary. Again, I suggest you study up a bit more.

But I’ll agree with you on the absurdity of the Bible being the only book for us to reference, because it definately is not! Why do we think God stopped inspiring books after the bible? I believe he’s been inspiring people to reveal all kinds of truth throughout history. We just don’t really listen too well. We don’t read between the lines.

I don’t think there’s a God to inspire much of anything, let alone various books, so your question on why we’d think he’d stop after the Bible is nonsensical from my point of view. Perhaps you could explain why God “inspires” anything at all? If he wants us to know something why doesn’t he just come out and tell us without resorting to these methods that are so easily corrupted and misinterpreted? Why should we be required to “read between the lines” to figure out what God wants from us? Is it that we don’t listen too well or that God doesn’t speak clearly enough?

I think God has revealed larger and larger truths to us as we’ve “grown up� as a species, knowing when we can handle what information. And I think it’s only recently that he’s revealed certain scientific truths about Himself because its only now that we can understand them.

Considering the poor grasp of science you’ve demonstrated so far I’m dieing to hear what these “certain scientific truths” about God happen to be.

But for like prophecies and stories God writes, everyone takes everything so literally. Like Nostradamus. Everyone looks at his prophecies and tries to match up specific words to specific real-time events. But why couldn’t he have made a FEW specific predictions, but some have been metaphors for a grander truth?

I believe in Nostradamus’ predictive powers about as much as I believe in your concept of God. If either God or Nostradamus wanted to communicate some grander truth then why bother with metaphors at all?

I believe God is a children’s storybook writer. Whenever we try to examine the nature of God and are supremely puzzled by Him, I think we fail to take his nature into account. I believe God to be a child at heart. He likes stories, he likes love, he likes playing like a little child. But everyone on earth thinks that if there is a God he must be some stern tough guy who has put us all to a test that we must pass, or we die.

Bit I think God is a child trapped in an adult’s body. I see her as an aching heart because his children don’t enjoy the same level of child-like joy and wonder that he does. I see Her as a regretful parent because of the misery this world has caused us, and I see Him as working around the clock to fix it by helping us realize the truth of Him/Her.

Well I must admit that the idea of God as a child is certainly original, though it suggests a certain lack of maturity on his part that I don’t think most folks would find all that attractive in an all-powerful deity given the capacity for cruelty and capriciousness in children for the simple reason that they don’t know any better. Though that would explain some things if it were true. I’ll give you credit for originality here.

If God feels so badly about his/her/its creation then surely God has the power to correct the problem if he/she/it really wants to. Why dick around with revealing truths piecemeal when he/she/it could just fucking fix the problem and be done with it and not have any reason to sit around feeling sad and guilty about it anymore? Perhaps God needs to take a few positive parenting classes. Sounds like he/she/it could learn a thing or two from some of his/her/its own creations.

So all I’m saying is that I think we get confused about the nature of God because we apply our own nature to Him. I think He/She/It is a lot simpler than we think, but we assume He is complicated because we are. And I don’t mean the level of his physical reality, because that’s definately complicated. I mean his nature as a being unto “his� or “herself�.

I think the only person around here who’s showing signs of being confused is you, but then we’ve covered that already with the whole posting-as-Jesus-and-advocating-non-Christian-viewpoints thing.

I didn’t intend for this debate to get so personal, so I will bow out. I think we should rewind a few posts to Geekmom’s comment:
“Let’s all share the love ... “, and leave it at that.
I think we’re just digging trenches here. I apologize for the offense.

- The guy calling himself Jesus

Yeah, I had a feeling you’d bow out. As long as no one was seriously challenging the nonsense you were posting you were happy to go ahead and participate, but the moment someone steps up to the plate you suddenly have a dentist appointment you’d forgotten about. Such a shame, I was looking forward to your attempts at clarification too.

And I believe GeekMom was being a tad sarcastic with her remark, but I could be wrong.

You can’t build a device that can detect the amount of. . . love or the amount of happiness or what have you.

Wrong!  It’s called a plethysmograph!

(insane giggling—flees the room before people start throwing things)

I had a feeling you would say that Les, and I want you to know I’m “bowing out” for the reason I said, so here is my reply:

The ideas of a loving, natural God are the ideas I tried to communicate when I was here last. The ideas and rhetoric preached by many “Christian” organizations are many times misconstrued versions of the truths I tried to get across. There are some genuine Christians out there, but religion at large is primarily a system of control, not a conduit for the truth.

A truth telling organization would tear walls down, not build them up. An institution which was in touch with God would not be concerned with having power within the physical realm, but power within the spiritual one. So I might sound “New Age”, but I am really just getting down to the true teachings of Jesus.

But about the emotion detecting device, I say of course there is such a machine! It’s known as the human mind. We are an amazingly sensitive machine which detects all forms of energy on all levels of creation. We can tell if someone is happy or sad, angry or unnerved. Some are more adept than others at “reading people”, but we all definately have the same potential to be “in tune” with others.

But beyond reading how someone else is feeling, we are actually effected by other peoples energy. depending on how sensitive we are to people’s energy, we pick up on their “vibes” and literally feel them within our own minds. If you walk into a room of people you don’t know, you will be unsure of how the other people feel at first, so it takes some time for you to “warm up” or get comfortable with them, right? And if their vibes jive with yours, you will start to feel comfortable because the people around you are operating on a wave length that you are comfortable with. But if the energy is way different or unfamiliar, you’re energy field might be uncomfortable in the room if you do not have a strong center of energy which you are comfortable with (like a “sense of self”). So of course there’s a machine, it is just God’s machine. Our technology is way underdeveloped to be doing something like feeling. But maybe in the future we will have robots which can “read” our vibes and interact with us at our level.

But as far as me being able to prove all the scientific stuff about God, no, of course I cannot prove it to you right now. I can only perceive what I experience in the world and interpret it. And personally, my world would literally make NO sense without my concepts of an omnipotent, omniscient force gently guiding us all through life. My experience of the world simply leads me to the rational conclusion of a God acting in our lives, loving us along the way. The “Path to Enlightenment” makes more sense than any other path or road I know of in life. Spiritual peace seems to be the only peace that is real in this world. And so I seek it.

And as far as God revealing certain scientific truths to us, you only have to pick up a few books to see what I mean. Whether you believe the truths are coming from God or not, they are definately there and definately very real. Neale Donald Walsch’s works cover many scientific principles in relation to God, and make much more sense to me than any text book I have ever read. And they make great sense because they pay great attention to scientific concepts rather than the details of physicality. You won’t find chemical equations or mathematical formulas in those books, because the assumption is that the “system” is doing its job and functioning as it should be, as it was “programmed” to do. And that frees our minds to think about the larger truths of our world and the primary concepts behind its very ability to function, or even exist at all.
I mean, if you were going to describe what a car WAS to a primitive alien who had never seen one, would you talk about the details of the engine, or the concept behind this machine? Would you say “The gas pump’s connected to the, carborator. The fuel tank’s connected to the, gas line. The break pad’s connected to the, break line…“, or “This is a machine used for transporting people around our cities and across our nations.“
If you filled his head with jargon and numbers, he might grasp some fundamental concepts of auto-mechanics, but he still wouldn’t understand the practical purpose for this machine existing and why we invented it in the first place. Unless of course you discussed the GRANDER concepts of the automobile with him.

The same is true for our understandings of this physical place. Many of us understand only one side of the system. We understand many mechanical concepts behind the PHYSICAL part of our system, but we fail to look at the METAphysical part, which contains the greatest truths. We literally ignore half of our reality, and we wonder why we cannot seem to be happy (and I am not talking about anyone specific. But the species as a whole). We know how the life cycle works, but still wonder WHY it does. We can explain how a tree is constructed at the celluar level, but we can’t say WHY that tree is there. We spend so much time indulging in the physical and ignore the metaphysical (or spiritual), that we lose touch with our grand reality (being a physical and metaphyiscal universe) and get lost within a “lesser” reality of physicality. 

Of course many would say “The tree is there because it is there. The life cycle works because it does. That is just how things ARE. There is no greater meaning.“ And to that I would say fine, if it were true. But when we EXPERIENCE greater meaning, we cannot ignore its reality. When we experience something more to life than our survival and a fufilling of our basic physical needs, how can we deny that there is something more than a physical world? When life takes on color and wonder, and presents us with a sense of something much greater than ourselves, HOW CAN WE DENY THAT? Call the “greater” what you will, but do not deny your experience of it. Recognize the confusion and untruth behind many religions, but do not discard spiritual practice. Just because you disagree and are perhaps disappointed with somebody else’s (or EVERYONE else’s) idea of what the “greater” thing is and how it works, does not mean you should stop seeking your own truth or idea of that thing.

I say that WE are our own God’s. We are God. But if you are not in touch with your own LOVE, then are are not in touch with your divinity. If you operate in this world from any place other than love, you are denying the grander reality which surrounds you. Because once you become aware of ultimate reality, there is no way you can NOT feel love for everyone. But the greatest way to become aware is to listen to your intuition. But if your intellect takes over for your intuition, you can get lost very easily. Our HEARTS are the true teachers, not our heads. When we can FEEL, we can learn, understand and grow in truth. When our heads block us from our own feelings (which is VERY hard to detect), our connection with the truth, our lifelines are blocked and emotions become pent up. But if we allow our emotions to fffflow and fight off the demons trying to get into our heads, we can be healthy, loving beings who are very much in tune with the world around us.

But as far as the inspiration,

Perhaps you could explain why God “inspires� anything at all? If he wants us to know something why doesn’t he just come out and tell us without resorting to these methods that are so easily corrupted and misinterpreted?

I say that he does just tell us, but he has created a system, a world for us to live in. And he wants this world to be believable and seem real to us. So he communicates to us and demonstrates things to us through the means which exist within this world, such as literature. But He has many times broken the physical laws which govern the world, and many people have witnessed these events and told many others about them. But if you choose to doubt so strongly, no account anyone will ever give could convince you of them actually happening. You could witness a visual violation of His physical laws by a very definate force for a very specific reason (i.e. to demonstrate proof of his power) and STILL doubt that it was God’s doing. So if you do not open yourself to the possibility of something OTHER than the physical, no amount of proof will ever convince you.

Imagine, for a moment, all the people throughout time who must have experienced certain “supernatural” events which transcended physical law (a relatively small number probably), and believed that they were caused by or in some way come from a being or entity known as God in an attempt to convey some truth. Now imagine all the people who have heard about these things and believe that they actually happened and are accurate accounts of history. Now think of all the people who have experienced some form of communication in their lives from some experience which made an eery sort of sense to be coming from “God” in an attempt to communicate (in this so-called New Age and throughout history). Now imagine all those who deny that these events have taken place or deny the possibility of any sort of “God” being the cause of them. Considering this, imaginging these two huge groups of people in your mind, a quetion comes to my mind. And that is, which of these two groups is “insane” and which is “sane”? Which one is closer to the truth?

Both groups claim to know the truth, and that the other one is lost or confused. It is as if we are all living in the Truman show, and a group of us come back to town one day claiming to have seen a strange man who can control the weather and talking about a door which leads to some strange place OUTSIDE of their world. And that beyond this door is a whole other world, and UNIVERSE even. But this message is so shocking to the Trumans that they stone the messangers and justify it by discarding them as “insane”. The Trumans just can’t acccept that they have lived in a lie their whole lives, so to keep their world functioning “normally”, or as they have known it, they have to deny the experience of anything outside of their world.
So all I’m asking is which is it? Do we live in our lie by denying the truth and killing its messengers? Or do we live in the truth by denying the lies and stoning the people who create such fictions?
But before you answer, ask yourself why you are answering the way you are. What “proof” is there that your answer is correct? You very well might not have experienced enough proof for you to be convinced either way, but before you outrightly deny one reality, I beg you to consider your rational basis for doing so.

But as far as God’s childlike nature, I meant this in reference to His/Her/It’s sense of innocence and joy. Not in her parenting abilities. God’s understanding of the universe is too deep and too emotionally involved to be a bad parent. If all human parents deeply understood their children and were in tune with their every emotion, there would be no bad parents and no child would go neglected.

And as far as fixing the problems, He is. He is truly putting an end to the misfunctions of this system and preparing the human race for a new world of purity and love. I and many other messengers have come back to bring in the news of the New World. The time of Revelations is truly at hand.

Everyone is confused Les, until we are not. You only have to decide if you are lost or not, and if you are, whether you want to be found or not. Because it doesn’t matter what you believe or how you live, because we will all end up in the same peaceful place after we leave this world. My only concern is with how you deal with the realities of this physical place. I wish to alleviate, or even do away with the experience of trauma within the human psyche. This experience of “negativity” is unneccessary and can be overcome with the right tools. It is a mental and emotional process, but it is a very real one which yields very real results.
But as far as saving souls goes, there is no such thing. There is no danger for our souls. There is no death, except in denying the truth of God’s reality, which is almost impossible once the soul leaves the body and mind behind. Because once our bodies and minds are dead, our souls will become intense aware of its reality and see that its experience in the body was painful and very limited. It will want to experience the limitlessness of God’s reality and the pure beauty all around it. But God’s deal with man is that if he wishes to be unmade after death, that is if he wishes to continue to deny the truth of God’s reality even after death, he will respect that wish and allow your soul to fade away and exist no longer. But His offer stands to allow everyone to experience what is known as Heaven if you so choose. I believe even people like Hilter and Dahmer can experience heaven if they so choose.

- Jesus

We are an amazingly sensitive machine which detects all forms of energy on all levels of creation. (and a whole lot of other yap about “energy”)

What a pant-load.  When I have an emotion, that isn’t any part of the electromagnetic spectrum, or a property of any moving object; it’s a physical state characterized by neurotransmitters, hormones, and the state of my autonomic nervous system.  It colors my perception, sure, but I don’t worship it.  It would make even less sense to propose that there’s a force-field around each of us… midi-chloridians, anyone?

Jesus (the original guy) talked about not misusing religion for personal aggrandizement, oppressing the poor, or pulling any sort of fast one.  He talked about doing as you would be done by.  All pretty simple stuff. 

The book on the preacher’s dashboard records that he said a bunch of other stuff about “the kingdom of heaven” too but it’s debatable if he said any of it. 

“Jesus,“ you notice your namesake said his biggest ideas in 250 words or less?

All I have to say is. Les dude, what is your marketing secret that even divine beings drop by your blog? I’m happy if I get over 50 hits in a day and here you are hanging out with Jesus. I mean damn some guys have all the luck.

-Muhammed

(lol sorry couldn’t resit I know my real screen name shows up, but I just had to sign like that, forgive me lol)

Why is it so crazy to think that emotions are a form of energy? For our entire history we have claimed that all we know is all there is to know, and when someones comes up with a new idea we spend years trying to knock it down until its undeniably proven.

We are so sure that what we know is all there is to know, when the boundaries of physics and science in general are being tested and broken every day. What if one day we begin detecting energy vibrations at such high frequencies and in such dense quantities that we become able to detect spiritual beings?
Of course an obvious answer to that is that it is not possible, obviously, because those beings do not exist. But my question is why do we close our minds to the possibility of such a reality? Why do we learn something, or even a few things about our world, then automatically close our minds off to other realities or truths, claiming that we now know all there is to know.

Until someone comes along with undeniable proof of something, we remain closed off to that thing being true if it does not fit within our mental construction of reality. My question is NOT, “Oh why don’t you believe in God? It’s so obvious that he exists, why are you so close-minded?“, but, “What is close-mindedness and why does it exist?“.
Of course many of you might say I am the close minded one, but I am not closed off to the possibility of God not existing, I simply have no reason not to believe that He does since I have experienced Him in very real, discernable ways within and throughout my reality.

- Jesus

P.S. How’s it hangin’ Muhammad. Long time no see. Sorry about the whole Christianity-dominating the world thing. You gave it a good shot, but the 70 virgins thing is just a little too good to be true.

P.S.S. I said many things about many things last time I was here. But many of them said using metaphors and stories in ways people could understand during a very superstitious, very non-scientific time.
As our minds have expanded and so our understanding of the world, there are many more words to use to describe very specific aspects of our universe.
I now wish to speak plainly and openly about the nature of our world and how it works, and so I do.

- Jesus

Why is it so crazy to think that emotions are a form of energy?

Because we have a fair idea of what energy is, and a pretty good idea of what emotions are.  It isn’t a big mystery: they’re different things.

Here’s a little tidbit from Wikipedia:

Apart from its usage in physics the concept is also widely used in the many movements and beliefs that comprise New Age but in contrast to physics, its operationalization in New Age is not practical and reliable or even completely undefined.

I don’t think you’re closed-minded: I think you’re very open-minded.  But I usually don’t mean to compliment someone when I say they’re “open-minded.“  If every crackpot idea can breeze its way through your mind and find a home there without evidence, you’re not enlightened; you have a problem opposite to, but just as debilitating as one who is closed-minded.

Let’s not get so personal here. I’m speaking objectively.
But of course I don’t let every idea stick, just the ones that make sense and “feel” right.
We should stop looking to others as experts and sources of “what is” and start looking within. But when I say within I mean within our hearts, not our heads. Our heads can get confused, while our hearts are all-knowing and all-powerful.

- Jesus

Jesus -

Get your ass back in this house and leave those people alone!  I thought you learned your lesson last time when I had you nailed up?  You keep going around spouting all this mumbo-jumbo bullshit like you’re some big man now.  All the trouble you’ve gone and caused over the years?  You just wait until your father gets home.

Stupid kids these days.  Sorry about that guys…Keep up the good work.

- God

Let’s not get so personal here. I’m speaking objectively.

Of course many of you might say I am the close minded one, but I am not…

So which is it, big guy?  Did you mean to talk about yourself, or not?  OK, not.  You’re speaking “objectively” when you say we should accept ideas because they “feel” right, and look within our all-powerful hearts instead of our confused heads.

At least your last reply was concise.  Getting some of your old-time mojo back?

Never before has so much been said that said so little. Still, let’s see what we have to work with.

The ideas of a loving, natural God are the ideas I tried to communicate when I was here last. The ideas and rhetoric preached by many “Christian� organizations are many times misconstrued versions of the truths I tried to get across. There are some genuine Christians out there, but religion at large is primarily a system of control, not a conduit for the truth.

Yeah, we’ve heard that before. There are a lot more Christian groups and individuals out there saying the same thing you’re saying then you might think. I know cause a lot of them have contacted me in the past. While I agree with you about the nature of religion in general, I don’t think you’re any closer to speaking truths than they are.

A truth telling organization would tear walls down, not build them up. ...blah blah blah… So I might sound “New Ageâ€?, but I am really just getting down to the true teachings of Jesus.

Or at least what you think the true teachings of Jesus happened to be. Though I must say that a lot of what you’re claiming as the truth is in conflict with what Jesus is recorded as having said.

But about the emotion detecting device, I say of course there is such a machine! It’s known as the human mind…

Oh please. The human mind is one of the worlds fastest, but most inaccurate sensing devices that has ever been. At any one point in time it ignores over 60% of the sensory data it takes in and it can be easily fooled without much effort. Simple sleep deprivation can be enough to cause hallucinations. The human mind is amazing, but it’s no super-energy sensing machine by a long shot. Hell, even our perception of the electromagnetic spectrum is limited to a rather narrow bandwidth. There’s also a big difference between having the ability to read body language and emotional cues and being able to sense some sort of “emotional energy” from other people.

The whole bit about reading each other’s “vibes” just made me laugh. It’s so 60’s.

But as far as me being able to prove all the scientific stuff about God, no, of course I cannot prove it to you right now.

I have serious doubts you’ll ever be able to prove it.

I can only perceive what I experience in the world and interpret it. And personally, my world would literally make NO sense without my concepts of an omnipotent, omniscient force gently guiding us all through life. My experience of the world simply leads me to the rational conclusion of a God acting in our lives, loving us along the way. The “Path to Enlightenment� makes more sense than any other path or road I know of in life. Spiritual peace seems to be the only peace that is real in this world. And so I seek it.

Well, good luck with your seeking. Anything I’d say about your inability to make sense of the world without a God at the controls would just come off as a personal attack so I’ll just not bother.

The whole next paragraph about revealed truths also made me laugh. I can’t even begin to try and comment on it without tearing into it.

I mean, if you were going to describe what a car WAS to a primitive alien who had never seen one, would you talk about the details of the engine, or the concept behind this machine? Would you say “The gas pump’s connected to the, carborator. The fuel tank’s connected to the, gas line. The break pad’s connected to the, break line…â€?, or “This is a machine used for transporting people around our cities and across our nations.â€?

You have got to be kidding me. *Sigh* It would depend on if he asked how it WORKED or what it was FOR. This isn’t brain science you’re asking about here. Com’on, hit us with a tough question!

We know how the life cycle works, but still wonder WHY it does. We can explain how a tree is constructed at the celluar level, but we can’t say WHY that tree is there.

This assumes that there is a significant reason behind its existence in the first place and you’ve yet to demonstrate that there’s any need for a reason. Try answering why there has to be a reason for the tree to be there before trying to determine what that reason is. Perhaps the reason the tree is there is because I put it there. Hardly a grander truth worthy of getting all excited about.

We spend so much time indulging in the physical and ignore the metaphysical (or spiritual), that we lose touch with our grand reality (being a physical and metaphyiscal universe) and get lost within a “lesser� reality of physicality.

Wow, I’m so having flashbacks man. I can remember being young and listening to my brother and his friends spew this sort of stuff when they sat around smoking doobies. Deep, dude, very very deep.

Of course many would say “The tree is there because it is there. The life cycle works because it does. That is just how things ARE. There is no greater meaning.� And to that I would say fine, if it were true. But when we EXPERIENCE greater meaning, we cannot ignore its reality.

Again, you’re assuming this greater meaning comes from an external source rather than your own brain’s self-admitted incapacity to understand certain concepts.

OK, the rest of this crap is bringing tears to my eyes now and my sides are starting to ache. I need to skip ahead to such wonderful bits of stunning wisdom such as:

Everyone is confused Les, until we are not.

Whoa. That’s so deep. I’m going to have to use that one on the guys at work and just amaze them with my stunning insights.

It is a good way to not address most of the questions I posed to you in my previous reply, though. I am surprised you tried to answer at least one question. Your follow up replies are almost as funny.

Why is it so crazy to think that emotions are a form of energy?

Simple: Because they’re not.

For our entire history we have claimed that all we know is all there is to know, and when someones comes up with a new idea we spend years trying to knock it down until its undeniably proven.

Some individuals have claimed that we know all there is to know, but if that were true then all the scientists would be out of a job. And yes, they do spend years trying to knock it down because that’s how science works. You propose an idea and then you test it to see if it holds up. The more radical the idea the more you have to test it to be sure it holds up. You’re once again demonstrating an amazing ignorance of the scientific process.

We are so sure that what we know is all there is to know, when the boundaries of physics and science in general are being tested and broken every day.

Who’s this “We” you keep speaking of? No scientists I know of and certainly not myself.

What if one day we begin detecting energy vibrations at such high frequencies and in such dense quantities that we become able to detect spiritual beings?

Then there will need to be a lot of experiments done to verify this rather extraordinary development.

Simple believing something is true because it might be possible and is attractive to us is a bad way to figure out the true nature of reality. Until there is some good reason to believe something to be true there’s not much point in doing so outside of exercising your right to wishful thinking.

Of course an obvious answer to that is that it is not possible, obviously, because those beings do not exist. But my question is why do we close our minds to the possibility of such a reality?

Who says we’ve closed our minds to the possibility? I accept the possibility. I just don’t think it’s very probable based on what we know about how the universe works. For one thing it would violate a number of well-established and time tested physical principles.

But if you think you could explain how such a being could possibly exist within the current scientific framework then feel free to try.

Why do we learn something, or even a few things about our world, then automatically close our minds off to other realities or truths, claiming that we now know all there is to know.

Again I ask who this “We” you keep mentioning happen to be. No one here is suggesting any such thing.

Until someone comes along with undeniable proof of something, we remain closed off to that thing being true if it does not fit within our mental construction of reality. My question is NOT, “Oh why don’t you believe in God? It’s so obvious that he exists, why are you so close-minded?�, but, “What is close-mindedness and why does it exist?�.
Of course many of you might say I am the close minded one, but I am not closed off to the possibility of God not existing, I simply have no reason not to believe that He does since I have experienced Him in very real, discernable ways within and throughout my reality.

There’s no such thing as an undeniable proof outside of mathematics. Science never claims to know anything with 100% certainty and everything is open to being challenged when there’s good reason to do so. Again you’re demonstrating your ignorance of the scientific process.

As for you not being closed minded to the possibility that God doesn’t exist, well, all I can say to that is you sure sound like you are when you make comments like “my world would literally make NO sense without my concepts of an omnipotent, omniscient force gently guiding us all through life.“ That sounds pretty definitive and closed minded to me.

My question, which I’m sure you’ll happily ignore, is how do you know for certain that you have experienced him in very real and discernible ways? How do you know it wasn’t just the Prozac talking?

I said many things about many things last time I was here. But many of them said using metaphors and stories in ways people could understand during a very superstitious, very non-scientific time.
As our minds have expanded and so our understanding of the world, there are many more words to use to describe very specific aspects of our universe.
I now wish to speak plainly and openly about the nature of our world and how it works, and so I do.

Look, drop the whole pretending to be Jesus crap. It makes you sound like a friggin’ idiot at best and a pompous ass at worst.

OK, the God comment that snuck in while I was replying was pretty funny I have to admit.

Oh geez. I just caught the “our hearts are all-knowing and all-powerful” line.

Man, too much more of this and I’m going to end up retching. I’m worried the next time I come by my blog I’ll find that the Care Bears will have shown up and taken control.

Or worse, Barney…

Okay, all together:

“It’s a small world after all….“

Your ability to take a bad situation and make it just that little bit worse never ceases to amaze me. Must be why you’ve got the shit-eating grin on in that little picture of yourself.

But Les, you write such wonderful, or dare I say…Smurfy entries that the love can’t help but wander into SEB.

Sunny Days, Sweeping the…Clouds Away.
On my way to where the air is sweet!
Can you tell me how to get…how to get to SEB?

And people think I’m referring to myself with the name of this blog…. no…. no no no no no no….

Stupid evil bastards of a feather…

Damn.  This thread has just exploded, and—still—not one person has even laughed at my penis joke.

*sigh*  I suppose it was arrogant of me to aspire to being funnier than Jesus.