I have pdf of the offers you must complete to get your $1,000 gift card if anyone is interested.  You have to spend lots of $$$ on some of them.  If someone has a place I can upload to, I can.

“If only our politians would spend more time going after stuff like this.”

Didn’t we just learn that the “Master Mind” was “a chairman in the South Carolina Republican party.”

When the wolves are watching the sheep, you shouldn’t expect to eat a lot of lamb.

Someone told me today that my name and firm was associated with your web page when one does a google search. I was shocked to see we were associated according to you with one of our building tenants Subscriberbase. We have nothing to do with their business!!!! I demand that you remove my name linked to your stupid web page.

Also remove my e-mail address from your records.

Gerald D Skipper

Gerald D Skipper is indignant: I demand that you remove my name linked to your stupid web page.

Also remove my e-mail address from your records.

Gerald D Skipper

What - no PLEASE?

Gerald, in addition to the usual good humor one can find on this stupid evil blog, there were some very unintentionally funny posts added over the past 24 hours as well. With your post, I seriously think you’ve managed to surpass the frothy, wild-eyed rantings of our Messiah, Buddy Page, with your insistence that Les remove your name and email addy from his stupid, evil blog . . . AS YOU POST WITH YOUR FULL NAME AND EMAIL ADDRESS in plain view within your spittle-flecked missive.

Bravo, Gerald D Skipper!  BRAVO!

Mr. Skipper allow me to clue you in on a few things:

First, the comment that includes the reference to your company—and I had to search to find it because I initially had no idea what you were talking about—was left by a visitor to the site and not myself. Opinions expressed in the comments of visitors are their own and are not necessarily those of the management.

Secondly, if your company does indeed own the building and is leasing space to the folks at SubscriberBASE, which you admit that you are, then you are in fact associated with said company at least tangentially. Naturally that doesn’t necessarily mean you have anything to do with the activities of your tenant, but you are conducting business with them and there are people out there who may decide that they do not want to associate with anyone who does business with the likes of SubscriberBASE.

Thirdly, all of the information included in that comment is in the Public Domain, violates no privacy laws, and can be found with just a few search engine queries. Nothing potentially libelous has been said about your company in the comment. The fact that your company is the landlord for the folks at SubscriberBASE is a fact you’ve admitted to and the supposition that you may also be their CPA is just that, supposition. There is nothing in the comment that would likely be considered actionable by any competent attorney. If you don’t like having your company associated with the likes of SubscriberBASE then I would suggest you cease your association with them as that is fully within your control.

Fourthly, the comment in question has been on this site for over 7 months now and this page has been indexed and archived by any number of search engines that happen to have some rather impressive cache systems. Even if I were inclined to modify the comment to remove the reference to your company it wouldn’t stop the information from being out there for years to come for anyone with even just a little knowledge on how to make use of those archives.

Finally, you’ll find I’m a lot more receptive when I’m contacted directly and asked nicely rather than when you demand in a comment that I conform to your desires. A private and sincere email likely would have netted you the outcome you were hoping for.

Instead you decided to make yourself look like an ass on a public webpage where everyone is free to look at it and laugh. You’ve done more damage to your reputation by your own hand than any passing mention of your company in a dossier about a spammer ever could have. Looking at my server logs I can’t help but notice that the GoogleBots are busy indexing this site yet again, so guess what new bit of information has become part of Google’s huge archive of webpages?

Welcome to the Internet, Mr. Skipper.

Les: Mr. Skipper allow me to clue you in on a few things:
First, the comment that includes … management.
Secondly, if your company … of SubscriberBASE.
Thirdly, all of the information … within your control.
Fourthly, the comment … wouldn’t stop the information from being out there for years to come for anyone with even just a little knowledge on how to make use of those archives.
Finally, … Welcome to the Internet, Mr. Skipper.

You see Skippy, Les is far too much a gentleman. You could take some lessons.
There’s a saying about vinegar and honey that most educated people are familiar with.
You used vinegar; it didn’t work.

Oh, by the way. I’m not a gentleman.
I woulda just said: Fuck you.

Just thought I’d point out an additional irony in Skippy’s delicious post.

In the same breath that he vehemently denies any responsibility for the actions of people who pay him to use his physical space, he clearly lays responsibility at Les’ feet for statements people make for free in his virtual space.

The righteous indignation just makes it funnier.

What’s really interesting, and I hadn’t noticed it until I went into EE’s backend a moment ago, was that Mr. Skipper not only left a comment, but took the time to register an account with us as well. Very odd.

I like his pic.  There are *soooo* many possibilities! 

Here’s a tame one:

Well I read the first post by Les and read through the rest, but can’t seem to find anyone who has actually “successfully” completed all offers and received their gift. I know better, but was tempted by the Wii w/games, plus DS w/games, plus Sony laptop, plus Xbox and PS 3 offer and STUPIDLY signed up. Yes I completed all six offers including the last one buying over $2000 worth of furniture (thank God for credit cards) and the EuroPass tickets $1800 (out of 3 options, these two were the most useful). Thought I could send my son to Europe or at the least be able to return the tickets for a refund (yes I read the fine print). When I went to check my status in their member support it popped up with a status report from 2005 (RetailReportcard) that I had started and never completed (because of the cost). I did not know that they were affiliated (again dumbass me). It still doesn’t show the Product Test Panel promotion and I have emailed them twice. I think (dumbass me) got ripped off. But I will post again if I hear anything else. I got a sis who works in the AG’s office so if I got ripped totally I’ll contact her for advice.

A local radio station DJ broadcasted one of these programs on the air, as if it was a promotion.  My brother-in-law fell for it and thinks he’s getting a new playstation that isn’t even in stores yet.  My son got some new Dr Seus books out of the deal.

I swear, I can’t believe these people are still in business.  They have a system that doesn’t track people’s required purchases properly, and I am willing to bet that they like it that way.  There’s just enough stuff tracked, along with logins for people, to make it look like it could actually be legit, yet since its something that’s not regulated, and there’s really no customer service to address issues, people are pissed with them.  I am sure people are meeting all requirements, yet these people at SubscriberBASE don’t deliver, simply because their system never says the requirements were met… The people have the proof on their side with vendor and credit card receipts. 

I think there should be an intelligent, organized investigation by the govenment or by investigators who can gather complaints and follow up to see if all requirements were met.  For those who met all the requirements listed on the site, they should begin contacting customer service under the supervision of the investigators.  If there’s no satisfaction from customer service to address issues then, it should be documented for a class action lawsuit.  There has to be a lawyer out there who has heard of these people. Is there a lawyer reading this who might take on such a case?

A MUST READ!!!****I ACTUALLY GOT MY BIG IPod****

First I must thank many of you for saving me from myself! But first I must say this: I’m still happily enjoying my 60Gig IPod that has just turned one and a half. It was nearly the exact same style web model marketing group but named Internet Opinion Group. In the end it all worked out and I nearly collapsed on the UPS delivery man when I saw it! The thing with these games is that they do everything in their power to either get you to lose interest or screw up. One slight mistake and OOPS! NO FREE-ISH TOYS!!! Funny that the final stage for a company with Internet in its name was for me to fill out piles of paperwork, print it out and send it in via SNAIL MAIL!!! Why do I have the IPod you might ask? Because I can be a very stubborn fukker when fukked with!!! So in the end I laid out about $175 for a Pod with a tag around $500 back then. The biggest problem with these games in my mind is that one remains pretty sure they’ll never see the toys and it takes about 4 months of this thinking to find out. The one thing they don’t offer you for purchasing is trips to the shrink! Overall I’d have to say that none of this stuff is really worth your time or sanity!!! From someone who’s done it and even succeeded---DON’T fall in.
Your buddies offered me a MAC BOOK PRO and a Canon 30D SLR on this one. How amazingly tempting it was, but I shall walk on and live my four months in peace. They know very well how to appeal to our greed and that’s what they’re up to. I can prove that since I own 4 notebooks and two cameras. Yes...SHAME on ME for wanting more! Naughty boy. They even know how to appeal to the HAVES as you can see...and even my friends wouldn’t consider me greedy. But the IBOOK could use a bigger sibling and my digicams are not SLR’s. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Ok after you jump through the “Hoops” you will get the check---B U T--- it is not worth your time. It does boil down to a waste of your time and money(stamps do cost!) Find a better outfit,they are out ther if you look hard enough,also start another e-mail address for the spam you will get. just after Christmas I had over 10,378 junk or bulk e-mails. I have done this a few times and they do add up.  Good fourtune if you try it.
Noname

The only prizes I have *EVER* heard of people get over the past 3 years are the iPods.... I challenge anyone to find someone who’s won the plasma TVs, PS2, the Canon Rebel SLRs or any of the other products. 

So this story of someone getting an iPod is believable… but if someone posted here saying they got their 60 inch Plasma TV, I wouldn’t believe it till I saw it posted by tons of other people on various forums…

Congradulations on your iPod.

Here is a mission for you reading this:

Sue the spammers
Remove the spam companies by any means

This will benefit the public, we will all love you because you will be a true hero.

Web offer too good to be true? Read fine print

By Barbara Whitaker The New York Times

http://www.obscorp.com/obsportal/modules/news/article.php?storyid=72

I’ve never done PTP, but I have done many other freebie sites. It’s a pain in th ass sure, but most of them are legit. Did I mention they are a pain in the ass. Last year I got over $12,000 in cash and gifts from these companies. All told, it cost me around $2000. There are several websites that deal with this scene

http://www.free-youbetcha.com
http://www.scam.com
http://www.freeipodguide.com

I originally posted on 11/25/06 regarding PTP. Boy have I jumped through hoops. The told me (when they finally responded to my emails) to wait 8 weeks for all of my stuff to be verified. I waited - the last two, coincidentally the very expensive furniture and train tickets, were never verified. So, again contact ensued with PTP. They told me to send in verification of email receipts. I did. Then they said I needed receipts for the furniture or pictures of the furniture in my house. Since the furniture was truck delivered I did not have receipts, so I took pictures and emailed them in. After that whole ordeal (its March remember and I started at the end of November 06), I finally got my redemption certificate. I printed it out and mailed it in about 2 weeks ago. I STILL HAVE NOT RECEIVED MY “GIFTS”. I returned the train tickets because I can’t take a month off of work and they kept $300 of the $1800. This is still, in my mind, a magnificent ripoff and these companies need to be shut down. Even if I do get my incentive gifts, they are NOT WORTH the time and effort AND COST of these programs. If I get my stuff, I’ll post again.

Be careful.
I’m signed un in the survey program. I’m
havinging a Devil of a time getting correct
information.

I’m not sure that their systems are accurate. 6 times they reported ‘Charge is not accepted’ I use that card every day. I confirmed my account and advised them. So far so good.
Charlie Rivers

hi,after coming accross this website,this immediately raised a reg flag.The idea of filling out surveys for products is what i think catch alot of people.And you are done they have “Bonus” ofter.Afterall,if you dont get enough “action points” you wont receive your “free” gifts,test products,
etc.You can just look and see that this is a SPAM/SCAM site.The warning signs are just there smiling at you in the face.The words “free”,
“Bonus","optional surveys”.Any data you enter in the forms are sent in PLAIN TEXT.
Heres some information about these people(All publicly available):

Physical Address:
3890 Forest Drive, Suite 207
Columbia, South Carolina, 29204
U.S.A.
Telephone:8037908381
Fax:2024780282
Other names:AdDrive/SubscriberBASE Holdings,INC/Product Test Panel/Consumer Research Corporation,etc.
They seem to mostly operate on the 208.38.131.0/24 subnet:
http://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/sbl.lasso?query=SBL18088
E Solutions Networks ESN-NET2 (NET-208-38-128-0-1) (the “Master ISP")
208.38.128.0 - 208.38.191.255
SubscriberBASE SUBSC (NET-208-38-131-0-1)
208.38.131.0 - 208.38.131.255
IP address(s) Hostname/Domain name(s)
208.38.131.1
208.38.131.2
208.38.131.3
208.38.131.4
208.38.131.5 rb0002.sb03.com
208.38.131.6 myhelpsupport.com
208.38.131.7 aolloopback.sb03.com
208.38.131.8
208.38.131.9
208.38.131.10 ns.sb03.com
208.38.131.11 mx1.addrive.com
208.38.131.12 jdaf.com
208.38.131.13 ms.sb03.com
208.38.131.14 freeslide.com
Exceip.com
sbase30.com
208.38.131.15 optidbase.com
208.38.131.16 grph.sb03.com
ERiverBirch.com
canepolet.com
furniturepadz.com
structpard.com
208.38.131.17 subscriberbase.com
208.38.131.18 ns3.sb03.com
208.38.131.19 ns4.sb03.com
208.38.131.20 mx1.myhelpsupport.com
208.38.131.21
208.38.131.22 producttestpanel.com
10DollarSurvey.com
consumerresearchcorporation.com
208.38.131.23 eq-c.sb03.com
208.38.131.24 addrive.com
sb01.com
As you can see,E solutions owns it all but leased a part to SubscriberBASE.
SubscriberBASE in return allocates a trunck of its IPs to set up these
websites.Are they related to consumerincentivepromotions.com?thats unknown.

Contact info for some people from Addrive.com:
Drew white>
Ashely Lackore>
Brad Defee>
Nancy Maragaret Jones>
Jeff French(was CEO,possibly owns all the websites in the subnet)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=nOhMMLn-vwk, http://www.guanotronic.com/~serge/login.txt, http://web.archive.org/web/20031009013321/www.subscriberbase.com/news/2002/031202.php

Results of signing up on any of these sites or anything similar ones:
1.You get all the spam to can ever want(they now have your email right?).
2.Basic information(name,address,telephone number,etc)about you gets sold/bought by other companies,or God knows who.which means:
3.Your email address gets circulated on spambot lists.
4.They can now use your bank account,credit card to use in any way(buy stuff,etc)

Bottom line:
1.Marketing(which apparently includes spamming/scamming(which apparently is legit)) is a huge business network.
2.Data collection is key to their operations.Any kind of data about the victim.
3.We lose.they win.i know.its all twisted.

Just as a note to everyone.  I did something like this before.  It wasn’t product test panel, but another thing that was similar.  I had to complete 8 offers to get a Cingular 8525.  It took me about a month to complete the offers and send in the voucher.  In the next month, I received my brand new phone.  So, although I don’t know if this is a scam or not, the one I did worked.

The page link I put was for the site that shows the addrive aka product test panel aka retail report Ect. The videos show the scam from an undercover inside look. That was from zolaenterprises.com but, they have deticated a new page to the scam following. There is talk of addrive vs leigh of zolaenterprises.com site going to court. Tons more scam busting from them over the years. This one is huge.
Take a look before you join things like that. I think the direct link is at
http://www.c-o-m.us/addrive.htm
I would pass the word on this and cross our fingers for a great outcome.

These guys are NOT legit...regardless of what the legal terms section says. The Federal Trade Commission and my State’s Attorney General both agreed that regardless of what the fine print says...FREE means FREE. They are committing false advertising and interstate wire/mail fraud (which carries a $1,000,000 fine and 30 years in prison PER CHARGE). If they have screwed you SUE THEM. You CAN and SHOULD I contact my local police and my states AG and am filing both civil and criminal charges!

Product Test Panel are slime balls.  The eat excrument daily.  I will succeed in finding everything about them so I can bring a very large suit.  My attorneys are just waiting from their investigators and mine for information, then a very large civil suit.
I am hoping the feds will prosecute too .. I’d like to see the lowlife in prison.
Morons.
they keep spamming and sending crap through the mail.. I won’t rest even if it cost me a million dollars, I’ll have what they call hearts on stakes.

I forgot to add once you are a member, you enter your email address, and that takes you to the page where you pick from 4 different products to evaluate. It may take quite a few times to click on the products before you get picked to evaluate them. After I first signed up, they contacted me to make sure I wanted to do this, they called me. like I said, it takes a while to get started, and takes a while before the company will pick you, sometimes you might get picked for any of them so be sure to click on each one every day. But I do believe that you have to wait until they contact you. There is info on this part in the term section for the sites, i think it is towards the bottom.
I have received a slow cooker, vacuum, cordless keyboard and mouse, straighting iron, weather clock, and laser pointer to make sure things on the wall hang evenly, also will get a battery charger today. Only sign up as a tester, do not do the incentive program where you have to go through and sign up for other things.
Hope this helps, I LOVE THESE SITES, I have never paid any money for anything.
Barbara