FedUp- I’ll jump in before some of the other regulars give you a kicking- this is the SOFT reply.

definitely projects some type of energy

What evidence do you have- how have you tried to measure it?

Everytime I tried to wear it I get my equilibrium all screwed up and feel dizzy.

Have you tried a blind test- where you wear something without knowing if it is the watch or not?  Does it happen if it is in a pocket?  What about if you don’t have it on (a substitute) but believe you do, or vice versa?

Maybe he gets dizzy when he puts the watch on because he’s reminded of how much money he wasted on it…

I too bought a Teslar watch in 2006 while on a cruise.  It worked miracles with my Fibromyalgia, my blood pressure went down, I no longer suffered with motion sickness. Don’t know how it worked.  But…....I only wore it when I was in a safe environment and it was in my jewelry box most of the time. That meant I wore it about 12 out of 36 months.  When I went to wear it it wasn’t working.  After much calling and finally getting on-line I found that there were only 2 stores where I could take it to get it fixed.  One was 25 miles away and required a toll fee of $6.00 to bring it there and then another %6. to get it after being fixed. The other was 40 miles away where I finally took it.  I was told the batteries would cost $45.00.  I said OK because I wanted to use the watch.  After 2 weeks I was told that the Teslar chips needed to be replaced and only Philip Stein could do that. The jewelry store sent it there and after 2 more weeks I received a call telling me the chips cost almost as much as the watch.  I couldn’t believe it.  I don’t have that kind of money.  Now the watch sits permanently in the bottom of my jewelry case as a reminder to myself about my foolishness.  Yes, a very expensive watch just sitting there because I can’t afford the chips to get it running again.  Now that’s the rip-off. Thanks, Mrs Bongiorno

Holy smoke,

An entire website devoted to the closed minded ramblings of some self important inbreeds.

Wow.

Don’t understand something? No problem. Dismiss it.

Don’t agree with something? No problem. Ignore it.

Some one disagree with you? Flame them.

Ludites.

Closed minded? No, man, not really. Some of us even try not to walk the line of being so open minded that our brains fall out. This is one of those areas we can all agree on: open-mindedness offers us little when it comes to this watch. It’s a cow-patty wrist accessory.

It has just struck me.  Those who look at science are called close minded by those who follow religeon, ‘alternative therapy’ snake oil, and pseudo-science.  Yet when solid evidence contradicting our belief is put in front of us, which community is more likely to change it’s position?

Don’t understand something? No problem. Dismiss it.

Don’t agree with something? No problem. Ignore it.

Some one disagree with you? Flame them.

The secret word here is proof.  Repeatable, testable proof is all that we are asking here.  Not how your grandma loves it, not how you feel about it.  If you people just would present some scientific evidence in a while, things would be better.  Instead all you can bring to the table are sophist arguments and side shows.  Just for once I wish I didn’t have to do all the research.  Asymmetrical Maxwell equations don’t work, period.  Don’t like it, refute me.  I dare you.

Jimmy: what Pat, Huss, and Psych said.  In addition, the Luddites were right, on their own terms: the introduction of mechanical looms did indeed spell the loss of jobs for many weavers.  Whether that was a bad or a good thing is another matter.  In any case, as far as the Teslar watch is concerned, the analogy flops: mechanical looms do what is claimed for them; the Teslar watch does not.

In my experience here at SEB, there’s relatively little flaming, and most of that comes from outsiders.  The regulars here are usually pretty polite, except when it comes to obvious greed-motivated lying, such as the subject of this thread.  The perps of the Teslar watch are hucksters, and deserve to be exposed as such, so there is no point in mincing words.

Asymmetrical Maxwell equations don’t work, period.  Don’t like it, refute me.

Hold on- who’s responsibility is it to prove/disprove?  Have asymmetrical Maxwell equations already been shown not to work? (All I can remember from 20 years ago is something about left and right hands as ahandy way of remembering the forces).

In addition, the Luddites were right,

No! I remember being told in the 70’s that computers would mean shorter working weeks for everybody.  Say it aint so, Joe!

I see the trolls have been active in this thread.

Have any of you closet scientists actually requested information from Philip Stein before?  Better yet, what about from TESLAR, considering they are not the same company.  Teslar Tech manufactures the TESLAR chip, Philip Stein makes the watches.  Philip Stein doesn’t even use TESLAR any more in new watches.

I give in Katscan, are you for or against the watches?

By the way, you can buy a watch with the chip for less than $200.  Put it on ebay, get your money back. Put your energy into less complaining! The palcebo effect works in reverse as well. Even if it helps you and you don’t beleive it, it won’t. The placebo effect is porven science by the way factoed into all drug testing.

What, exactly, is your point, Peter? Almost nothing you said in your comment makes any sense at all.

Ok, the teslar name drew me to this product I’ve looked through alot of the threads, I think I got up to about the half way mark and noticed that noone had really read their claims of how it supposedly worked.
From their description it acts as a booster to your system attempting to send a natural ELF through the meridian in the wrist, which to be effectual it would have to have the effects of a repeater on a network in making the signal more apparent else this frequency is quite the natural state of a relaxed focused person and these frequencies are natural earth resonance which begs the question of if the earth is not powerful enough a mechanism for you to take notice why is this watch? Perhaps proximity to the core as opposed to the watch’s direct contact and the talked of interferance.
You could understand this having a beneficial effect by tuning the body to relieve unatural conditions normalize and strengthen the bodies own natural vitality and regulatory function as it should be known that a singularly focused relaxed state of being is congruent with the given frequency as where it is common a multiple talk concerned and frantic individual will be operating at a higher and more stressful rate which compounded over time is well known to cause problems.
Which would appear was the description of what it did and these blocking claims stem from someone elses assumption that the watch does the work directly coming between other devices by itself. Perhaps the effects of a healthier revitalized system would boost a persons own field and if it then synergistically worked with the bodies field to block these other waves however what the description reads to me is that it’s intention is primarily returning the body to a better regulated state the body does produce this frequency and the more likely thing is that it simply positively boosts this field so as damaging EMF’s effects are lessened due to a natural shield being radiated and an overall healthier system.
It’s ability to act as a tuning fork to the body is questionable without documentation to support it apart from a mobile phone HRV example and some sporting testamonials with no independent studies to visit, it becomes a question of price and risk taking as the customer.
It does atleast rely on more conventional ideas then other devices with such claims.
They claim to use tesla’s name out of respect to his own research into the effects of EMF.
I think I’ll get one if I can find something legit and cheap as it would be beneficial to have this frequency more prominent, seems the more expensive from what I’ve read here the worse quality.

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and noticed that noone had really read their claims of how it supposedly worked.

I’ve read their claims numerous times. Not surprisingly they’ve changed their claims numerous times since I first wrote about them back in 2003.

First allow me to put in some paragraph breaks so we can actually read what you’ve written. Not that it’ll make it anymore coherent, but at least we can see it properly.

From their description it acts as a booster to your system attempting to send a natural ELF through the meridian in the wrist, which to be effectual it would have to have the effects of a repeater on a network in making the signal more apparent else this frequency is quite the natural state of a relaxed focused person and these frequencies are natural earth resonance which begs the question of if the earth is not powerful enough a mechanism for you to take notice why is this watch? Perhaps proximity to the core as opposed to the watch’s direct contact and the talked of interferance.

You could understand this having a beneficial effect by tuning the body to relieve unatural conditions normalize and strengthen the bodies own natural vitality and regulatory function as it should be known that a singularly focused relaxed state of being is congruent with the given frequency as where it is common a multiple talk concerned and frantic individual will be operating at a higher and more stressful rate which compounded over time is well known to cause problems.

Which would appear was the description of what it did and these blocking claims stem from someone elses assumption that the watch does the work directly coming between other devices by itself. Perhaps the effects of a healthier revitalized system would boost a persons own field and if it then synergistically worked with the bodies field to block these other waves however what the description reads to me is that it’s intention is primarily returning the body to a better regulated state the body does produce this frequency and the more likely thing is that it simply positively boosts this field so as damaging EMF’s effects are lessened due to a natural shield being radiated and an overall healthier system.

Did you read any of what you just wrote? That was an amazing bit of nonsense.

In short what you appear to be claiming is that the watch somehow “tunes” the body’s own electromagnetic field in a way that’s beneficial to health. You provide nothing to explain how that might actually be possible or how an ELF is good for you when EMF is supposedly harmful to you.

It’s ability to act as a tuning fork to the body is questionable without documentation to support it apart from a mobile phone HRV example and some sporting testamonials with no independent studies to visit, it becomes a question of price and risk taking as the customer.

It becomes a question of how big of a dumbass you are that you fall for science-y sounding words that don’t mean a damned thing. You can buy watches that are just as effective as the Tesla watches—that is to say both will tell you the current time and both won’t do a damned thing to make you healthier—for $20 at Walmart.

It does atleast rely on more conventional ideas then other devices with such claims.

No it doesn’t. There’s nothing conventional about that bullshit you put up there.

They claim to use tesla’s name out of respect to his own research into the effects of EMF.

They use his name because it gives their craptastic product an air of legitimacy and most people don’t really know what the hell Tesla did other than the wild stories they’ve heard.

Your not actually skeptical are you.
If you are unable to find the next line of a piece of text that is unfortunate…

There we go two enter key presses, epic.
I am not attempting to write in perfect syntax for some remedial bumpkin to read in some newspaper, I’m simply writing on some site I just came across.

I’m not presenting any evidence I’m describing what they are claiming.
I’m attempting to make sense of how it would operate, as I was trying to reply to several things I’ve seen here at once I extended what I was describibg.

I wasn’t attempting to describe why, but anyway.

The body is a bio-electric sensory system and electrical impulses give rise to thoughts and emotions and govern moods and in turn physical states, actively entraining a calm frequency when your system is capable of varying states, introduces a healthy guideline to the system and so encourages that mental and emotional state as well as perhaps amplifying and stabilizing the relaxed natural focused state once it becomes more prominant.

Understand I am not saying this is what the device is doing.

Harmful EMF’s of the harsh kind ofcourse are damaging, sunburn and what not.
Ones however of the ELF variety are ones that encourage unhealthy states of mind by entraining a given frequency promoting higher frequency of mental activity making for not only more stress but diminishing perceptive capacity due to the limits of input one can process and so less focused comprehension, over a long enough time line the emotions these unhealthy states produce can lead to worse health problems.
Just in case you weren’t aware stress is bad for ones health… You can connect more dots as to how the stressed body reacts.

It becomes a question of how big of a dumbass you are that you fall for science-y sounding words that don’t mean a damned thing. You can buy watches that are just as effective as the Tesla watches—that is to say both will tell you the current time and both won’t do a damned thing to make you healthier—for $20 at Walmart.

I’m not endorsing the product or showing proof or saying what they say is even happening or anything.
How often your going to say the same thing and present nothing is kinda pointless.

No it doesn’t. There’s nothing conventional about that bullshit you put up there

What’s conventional is relative to the other products out there as this actually has a battery energy source working through a watch, it’s much more useful then say the tesla shield which is something you attatch to a pet collar incase it gets lost marketed as a cure all personal radiation shield.

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Your not actually skeptical are you.

Actually, yes, I am a skeptic.

If you are unable to find the next line of a piece of text that is unfortunate…

There we go two enter key presses, epic.
I am not attempting to write in perfect syntax for some remedial bumpkin to read in some newspaper, I’m simply writing on some site I just came across.

If you don’t care enough to make your comments legible then why bother writing them down at all?

I’m not presenting any evidence I’m describing what they are claiming.
I’m attempting to make sense of how it would operate, as I was trying to reply to several things I’ve seen here at once I extended what I was describibg.

We know what they are claiming. We don’t really need someone who can’t be bothered to take the time to type clearly to try and explain to us what the claims are.

The body is a bio-electric sensory system and electrical impulses give rise to thoughts and emotions and govern moods and in turn physical states, actively entraining a calm frequency when your system is capable of varying states, introduces a healthy guideline to the system and so encourages that mental and emotional state as well as perhaps amplifying and stabilizing the relaxed natural focused state once it becomes more prominant.

And your basis for the multiple claims made in that statement is… what exactly?

Harmful EMF’s of the harsh kind ofcourse are damaging, sunburn and what not.
Ones however of the ELF variety are ones that encourage unhealthy states of mind by entraining a given frequency promoting higher frequency of mental activity making for not only more stress but diminishing perceptive capacity due to the limits of input one can process and so less focused comprehension, over a long enough time line the emotions these unhealthy states produce can lead to worse health problems.
Just in case you weren’t aware stress is bad for ones health… You can connect more dots as to how the stressed body reacts.

Yes, I’m aware that stress can be detrimental to your health. Though I find the above long-winded buzzword filled description to be very amusing indeed.

I’m not endorsing the product or showing proof or saying what they say is even happening or anything.
How often your going to say the same thing and present nothing is kinda pointless.

It attempted to offer a bullshit explanation for how the product might accomplish the claims of the manufacturer. True as it is that you’re not offering proof or endorsing the product directly, you are attempting to introduce a plausible sounding story as to how it might possibly work without providing anything to back said story up.

In other words, you’re functioning as a shill for the product and, while I have no proof that this is the case, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if you were involved in the promotion of such products. We get a lot of folks who have a vested interest in promoting this sort of nonsense showing up here and attempting to rationalize a means for the product to maintain some form of legitimacy which it doesn’t deserve.

What’s conventional is relative to the other products out there as this actually has a battery energy source working through a watch, it’s much more useful then say the tesla shield which is something you attatch to a pet collar incase it gets lost marketed as a cure all personal radiation shield.

It has a battery therefore it’s more conventional? Since when does tossing a battery into something suddenly make it legit? So if I tossed a battery into a pile of shit before trying to sell it to you you’d think that was more conventional than just a plain old pile of shit?

So if I tossed a battery into a pile of shit before trying to sell it to you you’d think that was more conventional than just a plain old pile of shit?

But Les, the Teslar is a pile of shit that tells time.  Not just any pile of shit can tell you the time, even if you toss a battery into it, now can it?

Why am I thinking of homeopathy all of a sudden? Toss a battery into a pile of shit, put it in a sack of batteries, and shake it eleven times. Lather, rinse (really!), repeat.

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Wow you are a wanker.

Actually, yes, I am a skeptic.

no you really aren’t a skeptic as you don’t maintain doubt, you make baseless decisions and are definitive in your belief.

That you feel what your doing is making plausible arguments is a joke, you don’t even attempt to visit what’s being said you are far too dense.

You are a nutter that thinks anyone that comes here with a neutral point of view is somehow affiliated with promoting the product.

So yes you are close minded and boring.

Strangely for illegible text you managed to read it yet you proceed to be a pathetic, sad, busy body about it.
Just because you don’t understand someones expression doesn’t mean they should not express it.
Here is what I mentioned before
The shield http://www.lifetechnology.org/teslashield.htm
and a budget version
http://www.rei.com/product/685309

Good Day

Josh, there’s a name for the “science” behind those claims: woo.  There is no evidence that the Teslar watch does anything other than tell time- or do you have some?  Keep in mind: the plural of “anecdote” is not “data”.

And given that you’ve posted two links that are just ads for woo, there’s a name for you too, as Les said: a shill.

What Zilch just said. Simply because I’ve already taken a position on a topic that we’ve been discussing off and on since 2003—that’s five years ago in case you’re as bad at math as you are at science—doesn’t mean I’m not a skeptic.

I’m more than willing to entertain any rational explanation someone can provide for how this craptastic product supposedly works, but all you’ve offered so far is a lot of hand waving pseudo-science buzzwords that have no basis in reality and when pressed to explain how that’s supposed to fit what we know about physics and physiology you throw up the “I’m not saying this is proof or that the product works” defense.

That’s classic woo woo nutcase technique and it gives me every reason to conclude that you count among their number.

I found myself drawn to your post from some dubious things in the hi-fi world.  There is a company (Acoustic Revive) that sells a plug in Schumann resonator for $425 that supposedly makes your hi-fi sound better.

My thought was that this thing is meant to be generating a 7.6 someodd Hz soundwave and it’s bleedin’ tiny!  Think about speakers and amplifiers and think of what size of each you’d need to put out a reasonable 7Hz.  We’re supposed to be convincingly replicating the frequency of the earth here using a watch battery as power.

Hmm.

Anyone with $425 to spend on something like this probably has a stereo system with at least two thousand watts output RMS.  They should just make sure they aren’t standing too close to the speakers when they fire it up: if I remember correctly, eight Hz soundwaves of sufficient intensity can cause your organs to bounce around with enough force to cause internal damage.