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That was a thing of beauty cubiclegrrl.

It’s been quite a while since the last comment, but I’ll throw my 2 cents in anway.  I own one of these watches (black face chronograph), and I really like it’s looks.  Have gotten many compliments on it, and in my line of work, the two time zones are an asset. The watch is well put together and does not look inexpensive.  Having said that, the rest is nonsense.  Individual testimonials mean nothing in science, and supposed doctors’ reccomendations--give me a break!  You can give one hundred people a glass of water--tell them that it’s got powerful ingredients to fix whatever, and some number of them will report it worked--and where can they buy more of it?  If you’re suggestible, and/or desperate, you might report feeling better, but there are a lot cheaper scams, if that’s what you’re after.  I’ve been wearing the watch for about three months now.  I’m not feeling calmer, more relaxed, or less fatigued. My athletic performance hasn’t increased, and neither am I more alert, less forgetful, or anything else.  Pseudoscience is pseudoscience.  When I read in a respected peer review scientific journal of the benefits of “teslar technology”, then maybe I’ll reconsider.  Even then,I’ll wait for a replication of the study.  I enjoy wearing the watch and I can afford it. But I knew what I was buying when I got it. Simply, a watch--and one with quartz movements, to boot. Anyone who buys it for reasons other than that they like its looks deserves what they get. Or more likely, what they don’t get.  BS is BS.  End of story.

If everyone bought them for that reason, and they stopped advertising the bullshit non-science, I don’t see how anyone here would have a problem with it.

Where is the biggest billy goat gruff when you need him?

EarthCalm products are designed to protect the human nervous system from the hazards of man made For EMF protection you can use EarthCalm

Jeeez, you are really going through a lot of trouble to draw the crazies here aren’t ya?  In any event, let me say, there is no actual evidence that electromagnetic fields generated by things like computers and power lines actually cause damage to the nervous system, unless you count the damage caused by direct contact with live wires, or maybe the nerve damage from repetitive stress disorder.  If there is though, I’d love to hear it.

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Les your comments and arguements are quite childish. You are taking the stance that “I am right until you prove me wrong,” which is very weak if you are actually trying to make a point. Its close to saying “I don’t believe in God,” which I’m sure you don’t because NOONE can prove there is such a being. I can make the same claim.

I think Les is a complete dumbass and until he can give me scientific data that proves me otherwise I am right.

If you would like to make the arguement that these watches are over priced and that the information they provide as to why these watches can be of benefit is lacking or weak then you are making a valid arguement. Otherwise you are just sounding like a jackass.--Sorry

You can think I’m a dumbass all you want. Doesn’t bother me in the least.

The truth of the matter remains the same: There is no scientific basis for the claims made by Philip Stein Teslar watchmakers. It’s all sciencey-sounding nonsense.

If pointing out the obvious makes me a dumbass, then I’m guilty as charged.

Thanks for the hint. I’ve added all posts with the misspelling ‘arguement’ to my twit filter.

I own a few Philip Stein watches.I simply like the design and quality.The price is reasonable for well made watch on nowadays market.Diamonds increase the price of the watch but it has nothing to do with prophylactic effects of the watch. The watches come with booklet where a few research studies results are presented with the names of the researchers and their institutions.Non-believers,therefore,may verify the results easily.The body is simply water with diluted organic and inorganic substances that are functioning under constant influence of outside factors,including electromagnetic fields and homeopathic substances.It is all regulated by the brain,among other important substances.Thus,I do not see why this watch would not work,especially when the evidence is present in the number of studies.

Zev, the stupid that pours out of that statement is amazing. I can’t tell if that’s serious or satire.

Read the rest of the thread - there are no “studies” that have been open to public criticism, and they’ve never offered any strong scientific evidence that their watch is anything other than an overpriced placebo.

Zev,
If you are being serious, I truly feel sorry.  Again, when a study is published in a respected peer reviewed journal, it’s worth a comment.  When it’s included in a marketing brochure, without appropriate publication references, it’s not worth the time to read it--even if names and institutions are listed.  Please don’t promote foolishness and you’d be well advised to spend some time learning to understand science.  If you’re as naive as you appear, you’d best have a lot of money to spend on nonsense.  And I like the watch--not the BS!

At first I was just going to let ignorance be the warm blanket so many like to wrap themselves with. But only after a few minutes of searching I found a link that led to a PDF that had Scientific Studies.

No this can’t be! I have been told by the many scientist on this website that studies of this technology do not exist. Is it possible that these nay-sayers are just too lazy or possibly too stubborn to actually do some research of their own so as to find this information for themselves??

Here I provide you with a link to a PDF file that has documentation at the end of Papers and Studies on ELF, Electric Magnetic Fields, AND Telsar technology. So before anybody can claim there have been no research done in any of these areas I suggest you do some research. Look up these articles in an online database, then report back your findings.

I am actually very surprised that NONE of these Nay-sayers had the intelligence to look on the INTERNET for studies on this technology before sticking their feet in their mouths.

LINK: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=3&url=http://www.vonbargens.com/download.php?hash=4535&ei=nMJqSIifJqCi8QTZg4WkDA&usg=AFQjCNGJCFkPwaFzJ6GMiQCAlqJ1u-fh7A&sig2=W9Md0DvT3i84GZcvXmW5fg

Another:http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=2&url=http://www.hindawi.com/getpdf.aspx?doi=10.1155/2007/94286&ei=E8dqSIbOEpyQ8wTrwJitDA&usg=AFQjCNFaW6sULUk1NAYeqv9VECKZ4T_9NQ&sig2=iZoS8JBQBAj3Ft2cn73Nzw

And Another!:http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6TGR-4JWFGNK-3&_user=5916694&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000068854&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=5916694&md5=07a9c22be3f4297f9deb9f7dd039198f

We have plenty of intelligence. Perhaps the fact that we exercise it is why we’ve remained skeptical on this issue.

Alright - well the first link you provided doesn’t appear to be in any medical journal anywhere. For that matter, Bryan Reeves, the supposed author of this article, is nowhere to be found on the first page of a google search of “Bryan Reeves mind body”. However, when searching “Bryan Reeves mind body teslar” I was quick to find that Mr. Reeves works for Phillip Stein as a research director. This effectively transforms this “research paper” into a pamphlet with a lot of goddamn fluff. I can write an article with 20 citations that’s still bullshit (hell, I already have. I love the Humanities). Again: get something that’s been independently tested and has been published in a major medical journal.

The second article says outright, in the abstract, that the effect of this chip has no relation to electromagnetics whatsoever - yet
they’ve proven the generation of an “inerton” field. I’ve yet to find the definition of inerton in any reliable source, including several dictionaries that were quick to define “graviton” for me. So these guys are just making shit up as they go along. Great. Very trustworthy.

Your third article is - ah, yes. It’s by the same author who wrote the previous article, V. Krasnoholovets. What I love about this? He introduced the idea of the inerton. Oh, that’s great.

He makes it up, without any substance to speak of, and then runs with it, using it to explain all sorts of crap that can be explained with:

“When you put an electrical current through something, that generates an electromagnetic field, which disturbs on some sub-microscopic level, other stuff”

“You mean, like other electrons?” “Yeah, sure”

We knew that. Still says nothing about whether or not a powered device reduces EMF - which, being that it’s a powered conductor, it can’t. It will make that shit worse, not better. Now go away. Learn highschool physics.

The second article says outright, in the abstract, that the effect of this chip has no relation to electromagnetics whatsoever - yet
they’ve proven the generation of an “inerton” field. I’ve yet to find the definition of inerton in any reliable source, including several dictionaries that were quick to define “graviton” for me. So these guys are just making shit up as they go along. Great. Very trustworthy.

This right there tells me your a load of shit. Because you don’t now what something is ‘inerton’ that makes it bogus?

Inerton field: a substructure of the particles’ matter waves, which a solitary one can elastically withstand the Coulomb repulsion of electrons.

Have you heard of Ebscohost one of if not the largest acedemic database online? Available to all higher learning communities. I’m sure someone who is an expert in physics knows of this database?

Why don’t you use it fucktard?

I am no expert in Physics but if you need help finding acedmic articles I can help.

This right there tells me your a load of shit. Because you don’t now what something is ‘inerton’ that makes it bogus?

No, the fact that an ‘inerton’ isn’t accepted physics by any dictionary or formal definition (including in a physics glossary) is what gets me. The whole idea of an ‘inerton’ is being pushed and republished by a single source. To say that the effects of any electrically powered device has no relation to electromagnetics is absurd. To in any way substitute an ‘inerton’ to explain something which has a feasible explanation in electromagnetics is sketchy at best. All of these things are.

Of course, their motivations for doing so would be easily explained if QED did not allow for such things. In which case, they’d pretty much have to make shit up and talk like it was science. Then they could explain everything away with this mystery something that has never been directly observed. They’d never have to touch real science because they started with bullshit to begin with.

So, let’s go back here: How does the Teslar Watch “neutralize EMF fields”? Anyone? Because nothing you’ve cited shows how this is demonstratably the case. If it were true, do you have any idea how much money Philip Stein would have made off of a military contract (say, to neutralize irradiated areas like Chernobyl, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, etc?)? You sure as shit would not be putting it in watches. You could use it to enhance solar panels. I’m not seeing any of that.

I could give a damn less about Ebscohost - I want to see this in a respected, peer-reviewed journal. That it’s in a database means someone accepted the file (probably without reading too deeply into it).

The only thing that matters is whether or not the experiments (that verify the teslar watch works as described) are well-executed, free of bias, and repeatable by others. I’ve seen nothing of it. I want to know how it completely neutralizes EMF, and in what ranges of the spectrum. Big money in it if they’re right (and I’ll be glad to patent it all on them).

Wow, jtman, you’ve swallowed the pseudo-science bullshit whole.

For the record, no one here has claimed to be a physics expert though some of us have more background in it than the average person. Clearly you seem to fancy yourself as such an expert, however, so perhaps you can provide us with a link to a reputable science journal that explains these concepts for us. None of the ones I’ve checked into seem to have anything on the word “inerton” or “inerton field” and the only references that come up when doing a Google search are woo-woo sites dealing in “pyramid power” and other related nonsense.

I’m perfectly willing to consider whatever papers you can provide on the topic, but so far you’ve only provided links to papers that are coincidentally authored by the people selling this craptastic product.

Better yet, you seem to have an understanding of how these watches are supposed to do the voodoo that they do so why not explain for us how they accomplish their wondrous feats? I’m sure we’d all find it fascinating.

Ok here it is. I can collect all the articles I can find on inerton fields and electromagnetic this and that and publish the links here. So I could actually put out an article that proves some of the things you guys say is impossible and I wouldn’t know it.

You who are educated in these related fields are doing a terrible job trying to convince us, who obviously know less than you, why this technology doesn’t work primarily with your language and attitude.

So I could go onto online Databases (which is where you go to look for experiments and articles published by Experts, Patness) and find articles on this subject but I would only be pulling articles based on key words because I don’t have extensive knowledge in this field. But apparently I am the only one who has access to these databases because I am in college. Any of you experts have access to any sort of database of related material want to help any with this matter?

Patness, you sound, at moments, like you know what you are talking about but then you say something that means very little to me because you don’t explain what you are talking about with any sort of link to give insight to what it is you are trying to argue. Have you ever wrote a paper before? Give me resources so I can learn.

So, in other words, you’ve got jack shit to back up your claims. You are, after all, the one claiming the watch works as advertised. 

And allow me to, once again, point out that none of us here are claiming to be experts in physics.

I’ve been digging into this “inerton field” concept you brought up and it appears that the primary person who dreamed up the concept of “inerton fields” is a fellow by the name of Volodomyr Krasnoholovets. He has a homepage all about inerton fields which he claims are what produce the phenomenon of macroscopic gravity. In short, he’s proposing a completely new basis for some of the fundamental aspects of physics. As near as I can tell, he’s the only person pushing that concept at the moment.

It’s entirely possible that Krasnoholovets has discovered something truly revolutionary, but if he has it doesn’t appear as though many of the rest of the physicists have caught on yet. The man is the senior physics director of the Ukrainian National Academy of Sciences and in the past he has worked on the Mir space station and the Russian Nuclear program, but that doesn’t make him immune from believing in nonsense.

The fact that he has quite a bit of published material on the woo-woo pseudoscience of “pyramid power”, including an appropriately tacky MySpace page devoted to the topic, combined with the fact that he is one of possibly three people to take the idea of inerton fields seriously leaves me with little confidence that he’s actually discovered something that’ll change the fundamentals of physics. It also doesn’t help that the woo-woo crowd seem to absolutely love to use him and his theory as justification for all manner of nonsense that’s long been discredited. He falls into much the same category as Major Ed Dames of “remote viewing” fame in my opinion.

The watch comes with a couple of booklets.One of them called"LIFE,ELECTROMAGNETIC ENERGY AND YOUR WELL-BEING”.On the last 3 pages of this booklet you’ll find 44 references.Being a cardiologist,I attend conferences often where convincing double-blind studies presented proving some fact and than the other conference presents as convincing facts showing completely opposite;or a few years later the medication or mode of treatment proved to be useless or even harmful.IS THERE G-D OR IS THERE NOT? Well,for HIS presence in the world we at least have written and verbal sources.In any case,the life with G-D is better than without.The same holds true about Philip Stein watch.Trust me,there are people that survive on placebo’s and ,by the way,the pharmaceutical companies research shows all the time that placebo does work!If Philip Stein would ask $10,000.00 for the watch and claim it will cure cancer,I would be cursing here with you.But,all they ask is around $400 for the basic watch(diamonds and alligator bands are extra).The watch is well worth it especially if it also helps electromagnetically.I already suggested it to my watchmaker who suffers a headaches(CT scan/MRI excluded the tumor or stroke)

So I could go onto online Databases (which is where you go to look for experiments and articles published by Experts, Patness)

Nope, you look for that in an archive of a respectable, peer-reviewed journal. I suggest, if you want to know about that stuff, looking for it in the library of a physics department. If you want to know what the most respected journals in physics are, ask a physicist. An old acquaintance of mine is a cosmologist: he and I, on the rare occasion we do talk, easily fall into discussions about physics. It was a high-school fascination of mine. The math is a little heavy for me, though. Linear algebra, yes, Calculus, no. No good with it.

Here’s why it’s not possible to kill EMF entirely. You know what EM is, right? Electromagnetic. Light is electromagnetic. An electromagnetic field (EMF) exists, for instance, everywhere and anywhere there is an electric current, which is weakly related to the type of material the current runs through. Superconductors (which waste no energy when electrons pass through them) emit particularly powerful magnetic fields when current is applied to them, compared to other materials with the same current. But, for that matter, almost every particle (every particle?) in existence emits a certain electromagnetic field (which I think is unique), and anything with mass also generates a gravitational field. We are EMF emitters, too.

You create EMF with any and every electronic device. A watch is an electronic device. A watch cannot destroy EMF - quite the reverse, it creates them. This crap about crystal oscillation (which sounds remarkably like new-age crystal power), is nothing more than mumbo-jumbo tossed into the mix. Every processor uses a small quartz crystal or something similar. When an electric current is applied to the quartz, the quartz regulates how frequently electrons are released. This becomes the basis of electronic timing (which is why you might hear CPU’s in computers referred to as having “clocks” or “clock pulses” or “cycles”. The speed rating you tend to hear about CPUs (say, 1.2GHz) actually represents, directly, the number of such cycles per second emitted by that particular crystal, say 333MHz) So, what they’re saying is, they’ve got a processor in there that’s synched to about 8Hz. I’ve little doubt that’s still enough to make it an accurate time-keeper (provided it is very, very close to an integer, say 7.99999Hz). But it means nothing as far as it’s ability to stop electromagnetic fields, since the emitters of those fields are everywhere - but particularly within the watch and the quartz, too.

The way to tell, in all honesty, whether something is bullshit or not - doubt. Anyone who’s worth a damn in the scientific community will make it very, very clear how they know. Painstakingly so.

“Science is a way of trying not to fool yourself. The first principle is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool.”
-Richard Philips Feynman

That’s why it’s imperative that, if someone claims that watch does something special, they show in clear, descriptive terms how they proved that the watch does this. They define a clear procedure for repeating the experiment so that others can follow in their footsteps. They are keen on making sure there’s no wishy-washy-ness in it. Philip Stein has not done this. To me, this suggests they know there’s nothing there. They’re out to sell a product first - as long as they pour on the marketing, they can get people to purchase this product. I’d bet all the money I (don’t) have, that’s all this is.

The articles you exposed me to, as I said, go no further than to say “particles react when exposed to electromagnetic fields”, which we already knew. The question was: does the Teslar Watch stop harmful EMF? Or any EMF at all? And, for a company that claims this watch was 20 years in passing, they seem to be completely unknown in the scientific world. I have no reason to trust them, because, tellingly, they give no good reason to trust them.

Zev:

But,all they ask is around $400 for the basic watch(diamonds and alligator bands are extra)

...which was probably produced for under 5 dollars.

The watch is well worth it especially if it also helps electromagnetically.

No, because that would make it a 400 dollar watch. At least get a Rolex, something with a good vanity reputation to show off to your wealthy colleagues. If you just need a nice ticker with a good leather strap, you can get one for under $50.

Patness,

You are saying that the Teslar watch protects against EMF? That isn’t the claim. It is said to protect from ELF. (extremely low frequency) This is where the claim that the watch would have no relation on electromagnetics would hold true? Perhaps this is where you are getting hung up.

I am including a link to a PDF file showing an repeatable experiment done by KRASNOHOLOVETS, SKLIARENKO, and STROKACH done on Teslar Technology. It includes diagrams, graphs, and mathematics to check if you can understand it. Have fun trying disprove it because I won’t be able to approve or dissapprove either way. haha Remember if you are going to try to disapprove it, make it so the Regular-Joe can understand atleast part of why it is wrong.

http://rapidshare.com/files/126562267/Aqueous_Solutions_Teslar_Technology.pdf.html

jtman writes…

You are saying that the Teslar watch protects against EMF? That isn’t the claim. It is said to protect from ELF. (extremely low frequency) This is where the claim that the watch would have no relation on electromagnetics would hold true?

Extremely low frequency what then? That sentence makes no sense at all.

Visiting their site these days it appears they don’t even claim to be protecting you from anything. Now they say that the watch “uses frequency-based technologies to restore and improve the natural flow of energy in our bodies that can be disrupted by many of the pressures, stresses and disturbances present in our modern society and environment.”

What a crock of shit.

I am including a link to a PDF file showing an repeatable experiment done by KRASNOHOLOVETS, SKLIARENKO, and STROKACH done on Teslar Technology.

That would be the same Krasnoholovets of “Pyramid Power” fame, which makes the experiment dubious at best.

Have fun trying disprove it because I won’t be able to approve or dissapprove either way.

In other words, you’ve just admitted that you’re not educated enough to evaluate whatever conclusions Patness or anyone else comes up with about the experiment. In short, you’re incapable of drawing a conclusion either way so what’s the point in even bothering seeing as you’re apparently too stupid to know if we’re right or not?

In other words, you’ve just admitted that you’re not educated enough to evaluate whatever conclusions Patness or anyone else comes up with about the experiment. In short, you’re incapable of drawing a conclusion either way so what’s the point in even bothering seeing as you’re apparently too stupid to know if we’re right or not?

I made the arguement that you guys aren’t doing any research into the subject. I never claimed to understand all of the physics that went into proving or disproving the technology. Hell many of the players on both sides of this arguement said they didn’t have all the education to definitively make a claim. In short the only arguements you have made are “I don’t know what that means therefore it is wrong” and that makes you look far more ignorant than me. Atleast I have been able to find information on the topic where as you haven’t even tried. On top of that you are quickly to dismiss any information brought to your lame website because you know you don’t know dick about how the experiments even work. Ok you explain to me why the experiment is a flop since you obviously know more than I do on this subject.

Seems like I am the more intellegent man as I can admit when I don’t know something...you obviously can not.

It would also seem very stupid to lash out at Visitors to your website because if you offended them or drove them away then you would have less traffic coming to your site that would lower your numbers when you are looking for advertisers or google clicks when trying to generate revenue from this site. For a few moments there I thought this site might be for the further education on stuff people should care to know about but you are just here to pick on people because you are so mediocre in your daily life you need some place to feel big and good about yourself. haha I’m sorry I’m just being mean now.

jtman writes…

I made the arguement that you guys aren’t doing any research into the subject. I never claimed to understand all of the physics that went into proving or disproving the technology.

If you don’t have an understanding of the physics involved then how can you judge whether or not we’ve done any research on the subject?

I said all the way back at the start of this thread some five years ago that I had read all of the literature provided by the company. That included the supposed studies.

Hell many of the players on both sides of this arguement said they didn’t have all the education to definitively make a claim. In short the only arguements you have made are “I don’t know what that means therefore it is wrong” and that makes you look far more ignorant than me.

That’s not the argument being made at all. The argument being made is that the claims of the Teslar watch people would violate known principles of physics and they provide nothing to explain how that is possible, therefore it’s wrong.

Atleast I have been able to find information on the topic where as you haven’t even tried. On top of that you are quickly to dismiss any information brought to your lame website because you know you don’t know dick about how the experiments even work. Ok you explain to me why the experiment is a flop since you obviously know more than I do on this subject.

Several examples of why the claims are bogus have been listed throughout this thread for the past five years. I suggest you take the time to read through it all again.

Seems like I am the more intellegent man as I can admit when I don’t know something...you obviously can not.

You’re more intelligent because you admit to being too stupid to understand the science? That’s some interesting logic you got going there.

It would also seem very stupid to lash out at Visitors to your website because if you offended them or drove them away then you would have less traffic coming to your site that would lower your numbers when you are looking for advertisers or google clicks when trying to generate revenue from this site. For a few moments there I thought this site might be for the further education on stuff people should care to know about but you are just here to pick on people because you are so mediocre in your daily life you need some place to feel big and good about yourself. haha I’m sorry I’m just being mean now.

I only lash out at the willfully ignorant people and I’m really not that worried about the traffic levels. I make next to nothing off of this site so as a source of revenue it’s not really a concern.

I do write about these topics in hopes of educating the folks who are able and willing to be educated. You are clearly not one of those people.