i would like to add that the term homoeopathy shouldn’t be cause for alarm, it has been shown to work in placebo controlled double blind studies (the medical gold standard for testing).

That’s news to me.  Sources, please.

What Zilch said. Please provide sources for your claims.

rxp: the scientific world doesn’t not dispute the fact that em frequencies (inc radio range) are dangerous to living cells they just argue about the degree of danger

Radio frequencies cannot affect or otherwise harm the body, they are too low in energy to cause any chemical or structural change

Radio frequencies cannot affect or otherwise harm the body, they are too low in energy to cause any chemical or structural change

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Radio frequencies cannot affect or otherwise harm the body, they are too low in energy to cause any chemical or structural change

Er, bahamat, what I think you mean is: Radio waves cannot affect or otherwise harm the body, they are too low in frequency to cause any chemical or structural change.

A radio “frequency” is a measure of cycles per second.  A radio “wave” can have lots of energy- I expect that those put out by the Sun are rather powerful.  Luckily, emr of such long wavelengths doesn’t shake up our teeny bits much.

I think the damaging potential of EM radiation is more or less entirely dependant on the energy of each photon. If I’m right then the energy of the photons in a radio wave will be too low powered to damage cells, regardless of its intensity since E=h*f .So saying the energy is low is the same as saying the frequency is low.

Julian- you are right about the relationship between energy of photons and frequency (or wavelength).  But the potential for damage to living things is not just dependent upon the energy of the photons, but also upon the wavelength.  Particular wavelengths cause more damage: for instance, microwaves are more dangerous than visible light for the same amount of energy, despite having longer wavelengths.  A five-hundred watt lightbulb will not cook my hand at a distance of six inches, but a five-hundred watt microwave oven will.

Zilch - you were correct with the correction of terms, I’m used to dealing with only one photon at a time if that explains things. However I conceptually consider an individual wave to be one photon (so amplitude=1), but, as you know, when drawing waves diagramatically we combine amplitudes.

So with just one photon, the frequency pretty much translates directly into it’s energy, that’s why I use them interchangably
energy=frequency*amplitude*constant
Frequency is merely a term for the energy of a photon

For all intents and purposes, only one photon can interact with a molecule at a time, that is why we deal with frequency of individual photons rather than worry about intensity and total energy of all photons, this is why quantization is specific about frequency, because it can only use one photon for a transition at a time so it can’t just sum up energy.

A five-hundred watt lightbulb will not cook my hand at a distance of six inches, but a five-hundred watt microwave oven will.

You’re talking about intensity via focusing, the reason the microwave is able to do more is that the molecules that have already been excited can be excited again by another photon before they have the chance to relax. You are not actually interacting more than one photon with a molecule at a time, by bombarding you’re just giving it the oppertunity to get further excited before it emmits

Bahamat - now there I’m curious; what determines the length of the period between the excitation of the particle and it’s emission of energy?

Very good question, I can give some hints but ultimately can’t explain it

A molecule that spontaneously relaxes in energy does not need to colide with another molecule, therefore that method is unimolecular (rate of decay is proportional to concentration^1)

However, for some reason, as far as I can gather relaxation is faster with a larger energy gap (as in NMR they sometimes have to excite a molecule in order to encourage it to relax further to a lower state than before). It makes thermodynamic sense that something with a very different free energy than the surroundings won’t be stable and won’t exist in high amounts at equilibrium, but I see no obvious kinetic reason why the relaxation itself should be any faster.

The only thing I can think of is there must be some kind of energy barrier to relax, like a transition state between energy levels. I believe this also explains why we have quantization, that all energy levels can be accessed, but the ones not at quantized values cannot be stayed at because they are, for some (probably hairy) reason, not energy minima. Having some degree of accessability to the levels inbetween quantized levels, i feel is neccessary to take up the excess slack when you try to excite something with similar but not exactly (to the last decimal place) matching frequency, because thinking about it you need some leeway because, if your energy level has an infinite number of decimal places, the probability of a photon matching every last digit is nil, and nothing would absorb light at all if quantization was stricly obeyed. Non-quantized translational energy might also take up some slack, though that would have to explain why it only takes up so much slack (whereas the unstable energy level idea explains itself)

Anyway, though measurement doesn’t explain mechanism by itself, you can obtain absorption and emission data by having detectors. Have the absorption one in line with your lamp/laser, and have the emission one at some other angle (often 90degrees), so that it only measures emitted light and not the unabsorbed. Of course, something that measures emission at only one angle won’t give the full value of total emitted, because some goes in other directions, but it should be proportional anyway. I don’t know if you get con/dest interference at certain angles with samples able to diffract, maybe, depends what it is.

Oh yeah, you can excite/relax through colision with another molecule, but that’s bimolecular (rate proportional to conc^2).

You could consider interaction with a photon (to excite) as a ‘colision’, perhaps, as they can be treated as particles. I wonder if photons with a negative quantity of energy can exist, if so a molecule could spontaneously excite itself, and the photon emitted would cause relaxation of what it colided with - maybe in space, if your negative photon is projected outwards faster than your matter it’ll effectively have gone from consideration, maybe this explains why we observe a positive quantity of energy in the universe with matter. It wouldn’t be breaking thermodynamics so long as the negative photon exists, though we’d have to explain why it doesn’t happen to an infinite extent (the only thing I can think of is that it cancels out).

Insofar as it concerns the rate of energy transition, or relaxation: I’d figure, as Alpha Centauri noted, an infinite regression towards smaller and smaller mechanics. I’d like to think (irrational as that becomes of me) that there exists an equilibrate mechanic on a smaller level which demands the control of the rate of relaxation.

Mind you, with the observation of dark matter, we’re only beginning to understand a huge part of the universe. Studying the non-light-emitting particles, I reckon, is probably much like studying non-elephant animals.

I half suspect ‘dark matter’ is a coverup for a cockup in gravitational theory - I mean, a non-observable, non-emitting particle? Possible, but if it’s not going to give you any feedback in the form of emission/absorption data I don’t see how it’s possible to study it much (other than mass-things). It would certainly have to be very elementry not to have energy levels (if it did have energy levels, it should absorb and emit).

Non-emitting and non-reflecting certainly describes nothingness to me, and if we can explain the mass another way, maybe it’ll fall apart.

But I get the feeling it’ll be a very long time before someone’s brave enough to challenge well-accepted gravity laws, they’d encounter hellish resistence

I wear a teslar watch but purchased it based on it being an interesting watch. Yes it was expensive, I have the scattered diamond watch face. But I was wanting something unique. I didn’t know what the chips were in the watch. 

For several decades I have had problems with my parents and their snake oil solutions...Shaklee, Magnet mattresses, KM, MonaVie etc. you name it they got it. I refused to give in. 

Upon purchasing my Teslar I had the so-what experience about the chihps - this really threw the salesperson for a loop.  I wore the watch and ignored the so called benefits. I am a pessimist and doubtful - don’t even agree with the religious acts, praying in tongues, healings, casting out spirits - again whatever!  This stuff is replusive.

After a couple of weeks of wearing my watch my husband notice but I didn’t. I was happier and seemed to be more balanced.  I took the watch off for sevearl weeks because I thought this was ridiculous, a placebo.  Recently I started wearing it again (he doesn’t know - I was too embarrsed to tell him I felt off) and he started making the same comments.  I pay more attention to my response to people and their is a little more clarity in thought.

This is my only test. I am surprised and still skeptical. These chips do not have a radical affect and there is only a subtle response. But it leaves me with a feeling of being balanced. Crazy at it sounds, I bought the sports braclet. 

I would recommend trying it - because I think everything is snake oil (I work in marketing and know what manufacturers do to us). 

If you buy it, wear it for the looks or fashion but don’t think to hard about the benefits.  Jot a note to your self on how you feel before you put it on and then mark your calendar to check again after 2-3 months of constant wearing day and night.  Don’t think about the watch, don’t try to figure it out. Just wear it and go about your business and see what happens and let us. 

I can’t explain it beyond this...good luck.

See story re “Mobile phone radiation wrecks your sleep” at http://news.independent.co.uk/sci_tech/article3353768.ece
The research was paid for by the cell phone manufacturers.  This doen not prove efficacy of the watch but does strongly suggest a perceptible impact from emf.

That study does appear to show that sleep can be affected by cell phone use. The effects seem to be on the mild side, but over a prolonged period it could cause problems. The solution seems simple enough. Don’t spell all damned day on your cellphone and avoid using it right before bedtime.

That said, and as you pointed out, this says nothing about the Teslar watch as an appropriate remedy.

You guys have no idea what you’re talking about.

My Teslar watch makes me feel great, as do my Kinoki foot pads.

You wouldn’t believe the amount of toxins that pad sucked out

Sid

Those aren’t toxins, Sid.

So are you trying to tell me that I should stop taking Long-z, extend-z, sper-m, and enzyte, too??

You guys are crazy-I’ve already increased my volume by 533%!

You guys are crazy-I’ve already increased my volume by 533%!

Er- condolences on the premature death of your partner…

Sid- I’ve got some money trapped in Nigeria- can you help me get it out…

The watch is a godsend, I’ve suffered from sobriety for 15 years and after just one day of wearing this watch i’m pleased to say that i’m now a 6 pack a day of home brew . life is good ....

the only way this could be true is to the person to be connected to ground using a wire and a whole in the ground filled with salt and carbon using a cooper stick or in other countries they conect it to the swore pipe lines instead of the whole methode

Nikola Tesla is the main inspiration behind this idea(He invented the chip)reasearch on this amazing mans life and if he could make a whole battleship and crew dissapear, go through space and time, and come back (even though 3/4 of the crew was killed, the rest mentally insane, Tesla insisted on not putting people on there) Imagine what he could do. Please don’t be so ignorant, I know it’s bliss nowadays, but wow man speaking on a topic you don’t know about like that?

Darius’ reply would be amusing if it weren’t for the fact that he probably believes it.