John Edwards in today’s PVP comic.

Posted by Les on Monday, April 01, 2002 at 09:08 PM. Read 7015 times. Tags: ,
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I’m a gamer and have been for a very long time. As such video games, and things dealing with video games, are a big part of my life. I also like to read comic strips both in the newspaper and on the web. One of my all-time favorite comics is about, what else, video gamers. It’s called PVP Online and it revolves around a cast of characters who work at a video game news magazine called PVP, which is short-hand for Player vs. Player. I especially relate to Cole, who is the editor of the magazine and who has a past history, not to mention the resulting physical build, that almost reads like a bio for myself though I didn’t start my own gaming mag.

Anyway, the point of all that is to get to today’s PVP comic strip which does a great job of poking fun at popular “I see dead people” phony psychic James Edwards of Crossing Over fame. This guy’s act is as transparent as the spirits he claims to contact and yet people continue to buy into it week after week in much the same way poor Skull in PVP does. I end up double appalled at a show like Crossing Over because my first thought is that I think it’s the worst kind of immoral and unethical activity to manipulate grieving people for profit. My second thought is that I can’t understand how anyone can watch this guy in action and not see the classic magician’s trick of cold reading in action. Of course, when I’ve commented on this at other sites I have been told by one person that it didn’t matter if Edwards was the real deal as long as he made people “feel better” and “brought closure” to their grief. I suppose with attitudes like that, people like Edwards and Sylvia Brown and James Van Praagh will continue to make a great living selling their feel-good snake oil on a willing public.

I suppose I won’t deny stupid people their right to give up their money to phony psychics if that’s what the really want to do, I just wish they’d be stupid enough to send some my way occasionally. I’d be happy to call them up and say “Your dead father/sister/uncle/grandmother doesn’t really think you’re to blame for whatever horrible way they died even if it was really your fault. They’re happy as you can possibly be when you’re dead and they want you to know that everything is wonderful in the afterlife. Oh yeah, I almost forgot, they said to say they love you.“ My way takes less time and has the same effect in the end, how could they possibly refuse? Heh, I didn’t mean to turn this into an Edward’s rant, but looks like I couldn’t resist. Shoulda seen it coming, really.

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Margaretanne Great Britain (UK) Posted on 05/21/2002 at 08:11 AM

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I’m sorry you feel that way regarding John Edwards and others of the same profession. But unlike you i believe in life after death and that some people have a gift in communication with people who have crossed over. Maybe people unlike yourself need to believe that there is something more than death than a box, because i certaintely hope so. I wont be able to prove to you that these mediums are true but you’ll know yourself when you have crossed over and are hoping to communicate with family you love who are alive - you’ll need a medium like “John Edwards”.

Les United States Posted on 05/21/2002 at 09:44 PM

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Assuming for the sake of the argument that there is an “after life” of some sort that we “cross over” to at the time of death, I would hope that there would be something more interesting to do once I get there than stand around trying to communicate simplistic platitudes to my loved ones through a failed ballroom dance instructor.

I’ve watched Edwards show on a couple of occasions and have read many transcripts of sessions he’s done live during interviews with folks like Larry King where he doesn’t have the benefit of editing to make him look better. A good example of such is posted at a John Edward’s fan site. Out of 11 questions John asks one caller she answers 8 of them with solid “no”. Or, in other words, 72% of John’s guesses for that particular caller were incorrect. The next two callers don’t fare much better and John is careful to avoid direct yes or no questions beyond a simple “Do you understand that?“ which, of course, the answer is yes regardless of whether what he stated was relevant. Still, he makes a point of counting that as a “hit” to try and make up for the disaster of the first caller.

John also makes a point of insisting that the folks he’s doing a reading for don’t expect him to contact exactly the person they want to talk to. That helps to take some of the burden off of him if his guesses, like with the first caller, don’t pan out. I loved how, in the example above, the big message of significance his reading provides for the first caller is that whatever the spirit talking to him wants to get across has SOMETHING to do with popcorn. Oh, and her nephew is OK despite being dead. You can tell the caller has no clue what popcorn has to do with anything regarding her nephew.

The next caller’s big message from the other side amounts to little more than a vague platitude about how the dead person “tried to be the best person for you that she could” and that there’s something related to “Hawaii” in her future and the dead person is around and is OK.

Edwards managed to pull off what appears to be a very successful reading with one caller with some very generalized statements that could apply to a large portion of the population, but overall his hit/miss ratio for all the callers is pretty astonishingly bad for a psychic that supposedly has other-worldly connections. By my estimates the overall tally of successful statements by Edwards by the end of the show is right around 40% or so and that’s being generous with some of the weaker “hits” he likes to claim. Considering that any sufficiently general yes or no question has about a 50/50 chance of being correct most of the time, his performance is a little worse than what one would expect. That’s what he gets for doing it live instead of taping it ahead of time so he can edit it later.

The sad part is Edwards isn’t doing anything new. Harry Houdini spent a good part of his career debunking spiritualists and mediums who used the very same cold and hot reading techniques that Edwards, James Van Praagh, Rosemary Altea, and George Anderson use today. It all got it’s start way back in 1848 with Maggie and Katie Fox, sisters who claimed to be able to communicate with the spirit of a murdered peddler. Four decades after their rise to fame they both admitted it had all been a hoax, but by then all sorts of people discovered they had the ability to be a medium and communicate with the dead. The concept has gone in and out of style many times since then.

Edwards charges roughly $300 for a private session with him. For $300 of my money I better get to talk to whomever I damn well please and they’d better have something worth listening to beyond “They’re showing me new rugs being put in. I mean, I see somebody, like, actually putting in rugs on the floor. So, there’s new rugs coming.“

All the splendors of heaven and what life after death might be like and the best that particular spirit could come up with was that the caller was going to get some new rugs in the future?!?

Again, I’m not going to tell you what you should believe in, but I’d be happy to tell you that your dead aunt/brother/mother/sister/dog/parakeet says you’re going to get some new rugs soon for the bargain basement price of $25 and the quarter for the phone call. That’s cheap at twice the price compared to Edwards.

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Laughing Muse United States Posted on 05/22/2002 at 09:56 AM

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In every society, in every age, there will be people who want to believe so badly that they’ll allow themselves to fall for whatever the hucksters are peddling this week. I mean, if we can’t cure AIDS, cancer, or Alzheimer’s, what makes people think that we can communicate with any afterlife that may or may not exist? And that, if we could, the information that they told us was so 1) platitudinal (I think I just created a new word) or 2) quotidian?

Tarot is the same way. Tell people that you can predict their future with pictures on paper, and they’ll flock to you. Try and explain that it’s nothing more than a mnemonic device with really cool artwork, and they look at you as if you were eating paste.

It does make you want to rush out and become a psychic of some stripe, though. Where’s the Sally Struthers learn-at-home course for this?!??

MargaretAnne Great Britain (UK) Posted on 05/24/2002 at 07:21 AM

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I’m not going to argue with you that there is people out there who do “cold readings”. However, I believe John Edward is not one of them. Did you see the show where a woman’s husband was dead and she had recently visited “Niagara Falls” with her young daughter. During her visit she found a feather and told her daughter it was from her daddy. John Edward was able to tell her this story at the studio. Therefore, he either can talk to dead people, read people’s minds or just happened to be there when she was on holiday and witnessed it himself. So explain how he was able to do this!

Another example of Johns gift is when he was able to describe someones house down to a T. He also told his guest that on the wall in the basement on the right side there was picture relating to sport. So how can this happen, was he at their house? Did he read their minds or was it a good guess?

I would like to say people who do not believe are perhaps scared of the unknown. Another reason why people do not believe is that they think that the information John or others give, is not of importantance and not what their relatives would come back to say.

Les United States Posted on 05/24/2002 at 04:52 PM

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I did not see either of the two episodes you describe above and, without at least a transcript of the show to read from, I can only speculate on what he might have said and how he went about getting his information. As I said earlier, he’s able to appear to have a very successful reading with various people by limiting his statements to very generalized concepts. How many people have basements and of them how many have sports related pictures on the right hand wall? Probably a lot more than you might think. Without hearing or reading exactly what Edwards said about a particular guest’s house I have only your word to go on that he actually described it to a “T”. My experiences with his show seem to indicate that he has a hard time describing anything to a T, but prefers to rely on his audience members to flesh out details on some rather vague guesses. As for the story about a feather, again, without a transcript I can’t say for sure how accurately Edwards recounted the story or if he even recounted it at all, but managed to pull it from his guest.

I seriously doubt either example has a supernatural explanation behind them. More likely it was the audience members themselves who provided all the info Edwards needed. Edwards is not beyond cheating when he has to. For example:

On Dateline, Edward was actually caught in an attempt to pass off previously gained knowledge as spirit revelation. During the session he said of the spirits, “They’re telling me to acknowledge Anthony,“ and when the cameraman signaled that was his name, Edward seemed surprised, asking, “That’s you? Really?“ He further queried: “Had you not seen Dad before he passed? Had you either been away or been distanced?“ Later, playing the taped segment for me, Dateline reporter John Hockenberry challenged me with Edward’s apparent hit: “He got Anthony. That’s pretty good.“ I agreed but added, “We’ve seen mediums who mill about before sessions and greet people and chat with them and pick up things.“

Indeed, it turned out that is just what Edward had done. Hours before the group reading, Tony had been the cameraman on another Edward shoot… Significantly, the two men had chatted and Edward had obtained useful bits of information that he afterward pretended had come from the spirits.—Joe Nickell, John Edward: Hustling the Bereaved

People who have participated as audience members on the show have come forward and told how various members of Edward’s production staff will take time prior to the show to gather some personal information from the audience, strike up seemingly casual conversations, and fill out 3x5 cards with notes on family trees. Audience members’ seating arrangements are pre-determined as well for no apparent reason. At least one person has accused Edwards of using shills, planted audience members about whom he would already have in-depth knowledge. His production staff, naturally, deny all of these things.

Even without doing all of that, the simple fact that Edwards has final control over editing is enough to ensure he seems very believable. What you see on TV are only the best readings he managed to accomplish in a given session. Anything less, including readings that are a complete washout for Edwards, are edited out and never shown. Even with those that are shown there have been accusations of Edwards using editing to make it appear that someone was nodding yes to a question the person remembers answering as a no. The transcripts of his live readings are often much more revealing. His successful “hit” ratio tends to drop from the 40% range of a taped show to around 10-20% when done live.

It’s not fear of the unknown that makes me incredulous of Edward’s claim, it’s lack of anything substantial in the way of evidence. I will agree that it certainly doesn’t help that pretty much any information Edwards does depart is pretty banal and meaningless. Had Edwards been able to, say, provide information from his dead buddies that might have helped prevent the September 11th attacks from ever happening, or at least given some pre-warning that would have spared a couple of thousand lives, that I would consider a pretty significant bit of information. As long as he keeps predicting that people are going to be getting “some new rugs” in the future I’ll find him less than credible.

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Kelly United States Posted on 05/24/2002 at 08:31 PM

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Les, I think you raise a lot of really good points. Let’s say that I’m VERY skeptical of the man, the show, etc. I think that it’s easy to forget that the show is heavily edited. One can only imagine the percentage of readings that don’t make it online. It’s a nice idea, but I’m not sure that it goes beyond there. At least that’s my two cents.

MargaretAnne Great Britain (UK) Posted on 05/27/2002 at 06:43 AM

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I realise what your saying Les, but just like you I have only your word for it. Do you have transcripts for the shows your talking about? If you do, can you please tell me what the web-sites are for looking at the transcripts for the show.

John Edwards may be a FAKE but personally I do not think so. I would personally like to go to one of his shows and see for myself if he is a true medium or not. Have you ever been to one of his shows or do you rely on other people’s opinions?

Finally, I would love to go to one of his shows but there is two problems:

1)He only does his shows in America not Scotland.

2)Even if I wanted tickets to his show they are   virtually impossible to get.

Les United States Posted on 05/27/2002 at 09:10 AM

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No, you don’t have to take just my word for it. There are a lot of people in this world who are very versed in the same parlor trick that Edwards uses and who are very much more qualified than I am to comment on it. I have provided a link in my first response to you that would take you to the transcript of the very show I was writing about. That website contains additional transcripts and that website is pro-Edwards so it’s not like I took it from a site that was biased against him in the first place. I also cited a source from Dateline NBC, a show that can be looked up and researched on the net. When I’ve quoted a source, I’ve included a link to that source when possible to do so. A simple click will take you there. You definitely don’t have to rely on my word alone.

I have not been to one of his shows in-person, though I’ve been to shows with performers who do the same act, some who claimed to be genuine and some who don’t. I don’t have to go to his show to see it first hand as what I’ve seen of it from television has shown me he’s doing nothing different from any of the other people who’s shows I have been to. It’s the same old schtick over and over again.

Do I rely on other’s opinions? Everyone does on different topics, though I do take the time to research both sides of an argument before I draw conclusions. I also rely on my own critical thinking skills and experiences. Occam’s Razor, or the principle of parsimony as it is sometimes known, comes in handy as well. I look at the evidence with a critical eye to see if it stands up to more than an emotional response. As I have listed here, Edwards readings tend to have an overall accuracy of around 10-20% which is less than one would expect from random chance alone. It doesn’t help that at one time I fancied myself a magician and spent hours reading books about magic tricks and illusions and was especially fond of the “mentalist” tricks, including cold reading, as they required few props and less dexterity than your average card trick.

When Edwards says his ability is not unique and that anyone can learn to do it, it’s one of the few times he’s telling the truth. He’s right, it’s not unique and anyone can learn to do it. There’s hardly a magician’s handbook written that doesn’t have some variation on it. You can buy an excellent example of a book that tells exactly how to do it yourself by clicking on this link: Tradecraft: The Art and Science of Cold Reading. You can even buy it as a downloadable PDF file you can print out on your own printer if you don’t want to wait for shipping. Perhaps you could be the next John Edwards of Scotland?

As for getting into one of his shows, well, if he continues to grow in popularity I wouldn’t be surprised to see him doing shows in other countries before too long. They do limit the audience size, but you’ve got as much chance as the next person of getting in. Read that book first, though, and then take another look at him and see if it doesn’t seem suspiciously familiar.

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MargaretAnne Great Britain (UK) Posted on 05/31/2002 at 07:22 AM

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Les, I’ve seen the transcript that you linked in your first answer to me and I believe that John Edward did very well regarding that he could not see the people he was talking to. This is quite relevant as “Cold Readings” requires the FAKE mediums to get information from their subjects face to face, for example body language, the clothes the subject is wearing etc.

I’m not saying for sure that John Edward is the real thing, only he knows for sure. But I am saying if he uses “Cold Readings” he is really good and experienced at it. If I had to get that book “Tradecraft: The Art And Science Of Cold Reading” I could tell you I would not be able to convince a single person I could talk to the dead.

I have read two of John Edwards books “One Last Time” and “Behind the scenes of Crossing Over” and have felt that John required the gift as he was growing up, as he was against his mother and family going to mediums because he felt they were Fake. The book “Behind the scenes of Crossing Over” did not hide the fact that the media were trying to prove what John was a Fake by getting his staff members to talk to people prior to the show starting. Crossing Over told the media this infromation was false as John would not be able to remember where everyone was siting and all of their family trees within an hour of recording.

This book also told the reader that the producers where trying to do theme programs such as getting families from people who all died of the same conditions such as heart attacks or from disasters like bombings. However, John was totally against the idea as it was against his gift as it would be more for entertainment value rather than for people who needed closure at that time.

Do you think this is from a man whose only interest is money?

Margaret Europe Posted on 10/01/2002 at 05:47 PM

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Hi,
I’m from the UK, and while I don’t know much about John Edwards specifically, I’ve seen plenty of his sort at various events and meetings. I am open-minded about this subject.It may be that there is life after death- I hope so!-and I would be happy to have it proved to me that those who are dead communicate with us. But I have yet to have it proved to me.
One thing that’s always struck me is that if the dead reach through the barriers to communicate, why do they never seem to have anything interesting to say, other than generalities about how jolly nice it is where they are, and that they still love whoever it is blah blah
I believe there is a spritual dimension to life, but that doesn’t mean I’m fooled by slick mediums like Edwards and charlatans like Uri Geller. We must always be open-minded, but not weak-minded.
By the way, I’m getting someone beginning with J..James, John? Do you know a John?
Regards,
Margaret

Ed Johnward United States Posted on 10/04/2002 at 08:12 PM

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John Edward and those of his ilk are fat phonies.  I hope they all rot in hell.

gino Canada Posted on 11/28/2002 at 03:46 PM

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I noticed when my wife was watching the show one time ( she’s a believer) that he says ok a hundred times a show.  Even if he misses a guess he still says ok.  I think this leaves the audience with the impression that all these ok’s are for correct guesses….....little trick he plays along with all the others.

Brian United States Posted on 11/29/2002 at 04:03 AM

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Are you really that stupid that you would believe a book written in favor of and only written to promote and cash in on the show would say anything different than what there told to say by Edward? Put Edward in a live setting with an audiance that has given no information backstage and see how good he does on a street with only cameramen that have no pre-instructions or conversations with Edwards. My main hobby is digging inside the Pro Wrestling buisness so I understand more than the average person would about Edwards inside antics. The Wrestling buisness is also full of tricks and marketing just like Edwards and others from his genre. I really enjoyed Southpark this week it revealed to everyone that Edwards is a duch.

Ryan United States Posted on 12/08/2002 at 08:08 PM

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Im a strong believer in John Edward, and Sylvia Browne, but not James Van Praagh.  James always says “kind, happy” things to his guests ALWAYS.  Everything that comes out of your mouth when your a psychic can not be positive or your a def. phony.  It just makes no sense.  I belive that psychics are real because they would not have made it this far if they were phonies.  They predict future events that would be impossible to do.  Sylvia Browne helps the FBI in cases and she does it well.  Therefore, psychics are real in my belief and I don’t think John Edward would commit his life to being a “psychic” if he was a phony.

Eric Paulsen United States Posted on 12/09/2002 at 08:33 PM

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I would never try to convince anyone that their belief in something was wrong or stupid (unless it was especially heinous like the KKK), but I will state that I do not share those beliefs. Are people like Edwards ONLY interested in scamming money from the bereaved? Probably not, it probably makes him feel good to give those people comfort.

Does that mean then he can communicate with the dead? No. I have lied to people to make them feel better about themselves or their choices because it is what they needed at the time and it felt right, but that didn’t mean that I really thought it was a good haircut or that investing in a chinchilla farm was a good idea.

Does it mean that he can’t communicate with the dead? No. But that’s why debating a belief is so pointless, if you believe that he can then I can do nothing to convince you that he cannot. Same thing with god. Same thing with conspiracy theories. Same thing with the 2000 election.

Patrick Edwards United States Posted on 12/09/2002 at 10:05 PM

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I just want to say, as an Edwards, that his name is John Edward. No ‘S’ on the end. I don’t want there to be any confusion on that point at all. I want no relation to that “Lying, criminal, douche”...
Thanks.

Ben United States Posted on 12/11/2002 at 10:35 AM

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Give me a freakin break! I attended one of this shows a couple of weeks back with my girlfriend and her mother (she believes the guy, haha) and all I can say is that the only area that this guy is gifted in is ‘Cold Reading’ and perhaps some ‘Warm Reading’. We had to wait around 2 hours before “our” host John even appeared. In the meantime, people are stupid, they stand around talking about their dead family members and just about anything that a ‘psychic’ would want to hear! During this time he has associates who work for him walking about and ingaging in conversations with the guests, taking information about their family trees, and other various information regarding them and others. This whole time this woman kept coming out and telling us to speak a little softer because John was getting into his “vibe” for the soon-to-be show. Haha. I couldn’t believe how this people actually thought this guy was real. Once we finally got into the room and the show began, note that 30 minutes on tv doesn’t equal anything close to the 2+ hours of shooting, he just starts with the bullshit of ‘Cold Reading’. He says stuff like, I sense someone by the name of Greg…no wait, I think it’s Ted. Yes, a Ted’s trying to make contact…Haha. So DAMN fake. Trust me people. How can you be SO nieve?! I WAS THERE!!! It’s FAKE!!! His ratio of right to wrong was something like 15% to 85%. I could do that for gods sake! All the people are doing that do go and see this guy, buy his books, and anything else having to do with him are making him even richer than he already is. I just wish that I could get those 2+ hours of my life back. Trust your instincts on this one people, he’s a fake. That is of course unless your instinct’s telling you that he does have powers in which case you should have your head examined.

Tong Australia Posted on 01/06/2003 at 01:55 PM

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Could those posting their messages re: their beliefs in J Edward’s “talent” please indicate their age, as there seems to be great discrepancies in logic between the two groups.
ie. those who “believe” in John Edwards sound pre-pubescent.

pat bogsada United States Posted on 01/10/2003 at 11:22 PM

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I would just like to sy that I also attended the John Edward show. First let me state that at no time did I fill out anything nor anyone of my friends that would give him any information on us and we made a predetermined effort not to speak of anything prior to his appearance. We only waited 30 minutes and when he came out he read my friend who had lost her son. He knew his name, the name of his son, the fact that there was a communion two days prior to his death, my husband, my son’s and my daughters name to mention a few dead on targets (pardon the pun).

He also described in detail how he passed which was 100% accurate. I repeat we made a decision prior to the show to not discuss anything to truly validate what he was saying. Furthermore let me add that the only problem I have with mediums is that they charge so much money. That part is truly unnecessary. I myself have the ability to communicate with those in the afterlife but I do not charge a penny. I believe that they just want to ensure that their loved ones here are in peace knowing that they are ok and that there is something wonderful to look forward to.

Also, it is important that each person who questions mediums understand that the messages we get are not complete conversations, they are snippets, pictures, and gestures that we see in our mind and have to try to relate in the best possible way to maintain the integrity of the deceased loved one. I know that the people who I have been able to do this for left with so much hope and relief. That way my pay.

However, in fairness, unless you do it yourself you have no idea how exhausting it is. First you must prepare yourself for the reading, try to be accurate as possible during the reading and then close down. The process is tiring and at times the loved one who has crossed over does not want to leave because they have more to say and you have to be patient to allow them to finish. Like I said you have no idea unless you can do it yourself. I wish people would stop being so skeptical. Ask yourself one thing…is it easier to believe in proving something wrong rather than being happy that there are people out there who truly want to help?

Les United States Posted on 01/11/2003 at 11:34 AM

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OK, let’s see here. First you tell us that Edwards came out and gave you all of this factual information without any help from you and described the dead person’s crossing over in 100% detail and then you turn around and say:

Also, it is important that each person who questions mediums understand that the messages we get are not complete conversations, they are snippets, pictures, and gestures that we see in our mind and have to try to relate in the best possible way to maintain the integrity of the deceased loved one.

Well then, which is it? Is it all 100% factual information you get or do you only get snippets? First you tell us he gave you all sorts of info he couldn’t have possibly known and it was all very detailed and very factual and then you tell us that we shouldn’t expect detailed information because what psychics usually get are just snippets and gestures and the like. These two statements are inherently contradictory.

Not that it matters. I’ve seen enough of these psychics in action to know the truth about how they operate and I’ve yet to see anything that would convince me they’re talking to the dead. The last person I would rely on to convince me that Edwards is the real deal is someone who claims to be able to do the same thing. Birds of a feather and all that.

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pat bogsada United States Posted on 01/27/2003 at 11:24 PM

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If you are going to take my words apart and play a game with them then that is your own doing. What I said and I believe I was very clear was in response to statements I read in this site. The information John gave was 100% accurate but it is not like having a conversation with those that have passed on. Let me give you an elementary example. I assume you have a photo album. What you see is a picture…right? Well that is what a medium sees. He then can describe things based on that picture. That is an affirmation. That is what happens to me. That picture can be visual or audible depdending on the strength of the medium. If you see John or any other medium actually telling you that So and so says that they are asking how you are and telling you how much of a great time they are having here in the afterworld and we just sat down to a bar-b-que dinner and the weather he is cloudy…well that is a fake. What I am saying is that the ability to connect with the afterlife is a gift we all have. Do I believe that only a few can do this….no. I feel we all can do this. Many people, however, don’t know how or are afraid or simply can not take themselves out of their physical shell to do so. Those people feel more comfortable going to a medium. Psychic ability is totally different. John never sat and told her things she look out for in the future or whether or not she was going to hit the lottery. He gave her true affirmations. Affirmations that were personal and that no one else would know except those in her inner circle. Affirmations are powerful tools. The affirmations that I am able to convey help people go on with their lives in the physical world. What is so wrong with that? I will never sit here and defend psychic ability because I do not know much about it. We all have had psychic episodes in our life but unfortunately we usually realize it after the fact. I have been to psychic fairs and walk out each and every time shaking my head and saying what a waste of money. I can agree with many people on the true abilities of psychics…some work in their trade truly thinking they know what they are doing and some are just charletons. I have yet to meet a psychic who got me right. That is not what I am defending and obviously you are not educated enough in the field to know the difference. Very few mediums are psychics and I am not defending the psychic ability…only mediumship. Let me finish by saying that I do not defend all mediums. I defend the abilty which is inherent in all of us.

Les United States Posted on 01/28/2003 at 05:07 AM

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af·fir·ma·tion
n.

  1. The act of affirming or the state of being affirmed; assertion.
  2. Something declared to be true; a positive statement or judgment.
  3. Law. A solemn declaration given in place of a sworn statement by a person who conscientiously objects to taking an oath.

I’m not playing games with your words, I’m trying to interpret what you mean seeing as you don’t seem to understand the definitions behind some of the ones you use. Though I agree that the use of the word “affirmation” is an appropriate one seeing as much of what talking-to-the-dead mediums do is make assertions and claim things to be true, that doesn’t make them true.

You claim that Edward has never predicted that someone would get new rugs. I present, for your consideration, the following excerpt which I have taken directly off of the OFFICIAL John Edward website:

EDWARD: Well, I hope I’m not blowing, like, a surprise or something. I’m sorry if I am, but there’s a gathering and it’s not Thanksgiving and it’s not the holidays. It is a family gathering that is coming up, and they’re telling me to let you know that they will be there. By the way, they like the new rugs.

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you have some new rugs?

CALLER: Well, I didn’t buy one yet. Maybe it’s going to be happening.

VAN SUSTEREN: But you currently don’t have any new rugs.

CALLER: Not yet.

VAN SUSTEREN: What does that mean, John? I mean, she doesn’t have any new rugs.

EDWARD: They’re showing me new rugs being put in. I mean, I see somebody, like, actually putting in rugs on the floor. So, there’s new rugs coming.

Now, you tell me, does that not sound like a prediction to you? Should I look up the definition of the word prediction for you?

I’m not educated enough in the field to the know the difference? You’re not educated enough to know what “affirmation” means! I know enough to know a scam when I see one or, at best, some seriously self-deluded people. You ever watch that show American Idol? Do you think any of those horrible singers would have gone in to audition if they seriously thought they couldn’t sing worth a shit? Of course they wouldn’t. They believed with all their hearts that they had a talent and ability to sing like a nightingale (a type of bird, I can look it up if you wish) and even when told they sucked ass they still made “affirmations” claiming they were the next best thing to Madonna or Sting.

Why is that? Because they were self-deluded into thinking they could do something that they can’t. Now if a bunch of people can delude themselves to the point that they think they have the ability to sing when it’s obvious to even deaf people that they can’t and when the truth can be easily shown to them and they

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insist on their ability to sing, then what’s stopping people like you from deluding yourselves into thinking you talk to the dead?

There’s a guy who walks down my street talking to invisible blue beings from the planet Zippo and it is his task to teach them all about humans and how we live our lives and all the great things we do and if he doesn’t show them how wonderful we are, they’ll blow up the planet. I’ve yet to see these beings though I’ve supposedly had many conversations with them with this fellow acting as their interpreter because they speak Zippian, which I’m not educated enough to understand I’m told. This guy is relatively normal all things considered, he just has himself convinced that he’s talking to these invisible beings and the fate of the world rests on his shoulders. I’ve stopped trying to debate the issue with this fellow because it’s obvious that he’s just like the bad singers on American Idol. Nothing I say, no rational argument, no amount of evidence I provide, will convince this man that he’s possibly schizophrenic and should seek some medical attention. At least he doesn’t try to charge me $300 when he let’s me talk to the invisible beings from the planet Zippo.

He’s what we call a harmless nut. Edward and others of his ilk who charge people ridiculous amounts of money to share their self-delusions with others we call scam artists.

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Kevin Korea (South) Posted on 01/31/2003 at 06:05 AM

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On a southpark episode, John got the douche of the universe award. lol, How funny.

United States Posted on 02/01/2003 at 07:10 PM

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First…I do know what affirmation means…for example (You have affirmed that you are an idiot!)...only joking…coudn’t help myself.

Seriously though, I never disagreed that there are scam artists out there…nor have I disagreed with the fact that it is insane that people charge so much.

Like I said, I know how to use my spiritual abilities to connect outside of the physical world. I never charge any one anything. I never intend to. I won’t do it because I can not put a price on this type of service. Therefore, I look at it as a math question. That which possesses an infinite number of possibilities is equal to zero.
Therefore that is what I believe the charge should be. Why people like Edward and Van Praagh and Browne (who by the way is a total fake) charge exhorbadant amount of money is beyond me.

Let me finish by saying that whether JOhn said someone would be buying a rug could be a picture he saw in his mind. He takes chances obviously that someone like myself will not take. When I see something, it is followed by a sensation of someone pushing me in that direction which is called clairesensient. For example…one day I met this woman at a birthday party for my daughter. I did not know her nor anything about her. All of the sudden I saw (in my mind) a boy about thirteen of age with a red flannel shirt on.
I ignored the image and went about my business with other women I knew. I could not get this kid away from me. So, I decided let me go out and have a cigarette…get away from the woman who I knew this kid had come to connect with. She came out almost 5 seconds after me. I looked at her and I said…Did you have a son that passed away at 13. His name is Tony? She started to cry and asked me if I knew him. I told her no…it had come to me. I explained that I was able to do this and she looked at me as if I had 2 heads. To make a long story short. THis kid would not leave me alone until he showed me his whole life. I knew that the door number on their house was 89. I knew that he had a dog that passed away a year prior to his death, that he loved Barry Bonds and that he had stolen a street sign and hung it in his room, and that his mother had his baby pillow on her bed. These are just a few things I can tell you that I knew. I don’t know why this happens to me nor can I explain the sensation. All I can tell you is that the ability exhists. It is not delusional. I have a Masters Degree, have two kids and by standards am considered pretty darn normal…I just have this extra ability. I have done readings like this many times and it just comes to me. Anyone can do this.I know people who go to meditation classes and go to spiritual awakening classes and so on…blah, blah, blah…I never had to now whould I want to because it is unnecessary. I bet if you sat quietly for a moment you would see things in your mind that may or may not make sense to you and in time you will learn that it all does make sense. You will also learn to distinguish what is random versus what is proportional. Like Forest Gump says….and that’s all I have to say about that.

Ugh Australia Posted on 02/17/2003 at 04:23 AM

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You people who truly believe John Edward : it’s the cold reading technique, sad and simple.  Cold reading is particularly effective when combined with the “Gift of the Gab”.  He has kissed the Blarney Stone.

People want to believe their loved ones are watching over them, so there is no “convincing” necessary once a subject is thrown a “hook”.  I can tell you that I could read a hundred books on the technique, but could never pull it off.  But then I’ve never kissed a Blarney Stone either.

If you want to believe that your loved ones on the “other side” continue to watch over you and concern themselves with your life, then good for you… perhaps it is even true.  But not through John Edward.  He is a crank, a crackpot, a liar, a giver of false hope.  If there is a “other side”, then he must one day face it for what it has awaiting for him.

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