Jay Leno’s “Point. What’s your point?“

Posted by Les on Friday, July 01, 2005 at 10:23 PM. Read 4475 times. Tags: ,
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Have you seen this bit on the Tonight Show with Jay Leno called Point. What’s your point? I just caught it for the first time and I must say that it’s a bit depressing to think there are people that friggin’ stupid out there. Leno has already had a long running bit called Jaywalking where he goes out on the street and finds folks who are generally clueless about various things, but not outright stupid. In this new bit Leno appears to have found two genuinely stupid people and convinced them to come on the show occasionally where he can ask them various questions such as, from tonight’s show (which I think is a repeat), “Should creationism be taught in addition to Evolution in schools.“

The two people involved in this “debate”—a young woman and a young man who’s names I’ve already blocked from my mind due to the painful experience of watching them try to form coherent thoughts on national television—actually disagreed on this topic. The man said that it should be taught in school, but for no apparent reason while the young woman argued that it shouldn’t be because it would “confuse children.“ But that’s not the stunning bit. The stunning bit is that neither one of them could summarize the creationist story in the Bible! The woman thought Eve ate Adam’s rib and that’s what started all the trouble in the first place. The guy at least knew that Eve was made from Adam’s rib, but not a hell of a lot more.

We won’t even go into how neither one of them had a clue what a filibuster was let alone whether Congress should get rid of it.

Some of the people that show up in the Jaywalking bits can be pretty stupid, but these two make most of those folks seem just this side of Einstein in comparison. You almost wonder if you could slap some smarts into them and chances are it wouldn’t do much damage to try it out. I was most amused, or perhaps it was appalled, it’s hard to tell sometimes when I’m watching stuff like this, by the faces the woman was making as she was thinking of her answers. She literally looked like she was straining to come up with something intelligent to say and was failing terribly at doing so. When asked how many books a year people should read she replied that it depends on whether people wanted to escape reality. When Jay followed up by asking if watching TV was escapism she said that books were different because you had to move your eyes and it was a lot more work than watching TV. Wow.

If ignorance is bliss, those two are surely ecstatic…

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Karen United States Posted on 07/05/2005 at 05:25 PM

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The only research necessary into creationism is to turn off your brain, drool out of the corner of your mouth, and intone the creationists creed “God did it�.

Wow. How tolerant you are. And your proof that those scientists weren’t creationists, based on how long ago they lived and the times they lived in is very weak. Is that the best you got to refute the list? And the list is not mine per se. It was a list I found. I think I also clarified that already.

Oh and I could care less how annoying my posting habits are to you. I think I have made that quite clear, as well, on several other threads to people here who are equally as anal about it as you are.  If you don’t like it then just simply don’t respond to me.  I honestly don’t care at this point.

Karen United States Posted on 07/05/2005 at 05:28 PM

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Most of those scientists were pre-Origin of Species. Before then, there weren’t any real alternatives to Creationism, so how, pray tell, could they have been anything but Creationists?

You’re just being silly.

Ummmm, Darwin was born in 1809. There are a great many on that list that lived when he did or after.  You’re just being stupid. You are obviously an evolutionist but you don’t even know when the founder of it was born.

Who says I have a name? You can't prove I have a n Canada Posted on 07/05/2005 at 07:48 PM

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Ummmm, Darwin was born in 1809. There are a great many on that list that lived when he did or after.  You’re just being stupid.

Darwin didn’t develop his theory in the womb, you know. Origin of Species was published in 1859, and it took a while to gain complete acceptance by scientists (you know, those pesky scientists tend to actually look at the evidence before jumping to conclusions).

You are obviously an evolutionist but you don’t even know when the founder of it was born.

You use the words “evolutionist” and “founder” as if the theory of evolution is a religion. Evolution is not a religion. Is “Germ Theory” a religion?

Who says I have a name? You can't prove I have a n Canada Posted on 07/05/2005 at 07:50 PM

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Why am I debating with this person? Eh…whatever.

Consigliere United States Posted on 07/05/2005 at 07:57 PM

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Karen,

You listed several names of individuals that you believed were scientists that believed in creationism taken from an unknown website.  I went to the link you provided.  It is not a website, but rather a list of search results from google. Can you provide a link for me to the website proper? 

It appears to me, though I can’t find a quote from you, that you are a proponent of creationism. (I’m not certain of this so I have asked for you to clarify this below.)  In most instances, though not all, that is indicative of a literal reading of Genesis. Yet, you have said that you are not a Christian.  Given that, and the fact that I’m easily confused, I’m requesting that you help me clarify what your exact positions are.  Will you please set forth the following so that I no confusion exists about what your positions are:

1) Your definition of creationism

2) Your definition of evolution

3) Are you a proponent of creationism as you have defined it?

4) Are you a proponent of evolution as you have defined it?

5) Your definition of Christianity

6) Do you profess a belief in Christianity as you have defined it?

7) If not, do you profess a belief in God?

8) If you do profess a belief in God, would you be so kind as to provide a brief “profession of faith” that you adhere to?

9) If you do not believe in a God, would you be so kind as to provide a brief synopsis of your ethos for human behavior? I’m most specifically interested in your beliefs regarding how we treat each other.

Thank you in advance for your consideration.

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Uber Gaijin United States Posted on 07/05/2005 at 08:51 PM

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Consi said:

I went to the link you provided.  It is not a website, but rather a list of search results from google. Can you provide a link for me to the website proper?

I happened to go to that “source” she provided as well, and took the time to check out a couple of the sites.  The ones that had a similar (or identical) list to the one she provided still did not provide any sources.  As far as I can tell, the list has no source validation (quotes from the scientists themselves, sections of diaries or biographies, referenced published material, etc.).

Infidel United States Posted on 07/05/2005 at 09:19 PM

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Wow. How tolerant you are. And your proof that those scientists weren’t creationists, based on how long ago they lived and the times they lived in is very weak. Is that the best you got to refute the list? And the list is not mine per se. It was a list I found. I think I also clarified that already.

Well.  Here we go again.  First of all, that wasn’t me being intolerant.  I am remarkably tolerant regarding stupidity.  What you were on the receiving end of was my meanness, hostility, and arrogance toward those who spout stupidity.  Second, I didn’t even bother to prove that they weren’t creationists.  Come to think of it, I believe I said that a lot of them did, in fact, believe in creationism.  What I was pointing out, as that Who says I have a name? fellow did, was that since a great many of them lived before Origin of Species was published and accepted, they didn’t actually have a choice in the whole Creation vs. Evolution thing.  There weren’t exactly a lot of options.  And as for it being someone else’s list, hey, you were the one who came in here and posted it.  Fair game.

Oh and I could care less how annoying my posting habits are to you. I think I have made that quite clear, as well, on several other threads to people here who are equally as anal about it as you are.

Nobody is as anal as me.

If you don’t like it then just simply don’t respond to me. I honestly don’t care at this point.

Are you saying we should start annoying other people? smile

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Um... Canada Posted on 11/04/2005 at 02:15 AM

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One word…


Love

People are always making things so bloody complicated.

Les United States Posted on 11/04/2005 at 07:35 AM

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Yeah, that just solves everything. Worked in Iraq.

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Chris mankey United States Posted on 08/09/2007 at 07:48 AM

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I was asking what YOU have done in comparison to those great scientists.  I wasn’t insinuating that the list proved anything about creationism, just that intelligent people DO believe in it.  It isn’t just a bunch of dummies-as you tried to insinuate via your surgery comment.  Got it?

Only intelligent people who lived between 100 and 500 years ago believe in it apparently. I guess if you want a 19th century geologist to perform surgery on you then you would be the person who lacks intelligence!

Les United States Posted on 08/09/2007 at 12:52 PM

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Chris, unless you’re replying to the wrong thread, you’ve not spoken up before so I have no idea who the hell you’re addressing. What list is it you’re speaking of?

I’d be happy to debate your point, but you don’t appear to have one yet.

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Last_Hussar Great Britain (UK) Posted on 08/09/2007 at 06:17 PM

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I don’t know, Uber but if Lister were still with us-I think I’d trust him to perform sugery on me if I were in need. And I also might ask, Uber, what have you done that can even begin to compare with these great men?

This is at the end of Karens post 3 July 05. One and the same?

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