Consi, I found it a little telling that, in his attempts to write off the effects of global warming, Moloch mentioned areas of the world where the inhabitants are primarily non-white (and he’s correct, of course, that these are the areas that will initially be hit the hardest). I guess I questioned whether he would be singing the same tune if the catastrophes were to be felt hardest in, say, Sweden. An inappropriate jab? Perhaps, but you could be accused of doing the same from time to time, and definitely so could Moloch.

Just sayin’.

Elwed: Moloch outed himself as a white supremacist and Stormfront member

Funny how we’re tolerant of some things but not of others.
Apparently in most gaols, paedophiles are kept in isolation coz the rest of the prison population can handle most things but not crimes against children.
They have their standards ... ... just like us. 

Moloch outed himself as a white surpremacist and Stormfront member, which resulted in predictable and less than cordial responses, which prompted Moloch to try and get even more of a reaction.

Are these enough dots to connect?

Yep, that would be enough. 

Sadie:

In light of the above, not inappropriate at all.

I just see it as Gia pushing back.  I think we need to make a distinction between “conditions sutible for human habitation” and “conditions sutible for life”.  Even a full scale nuclear war would not eliminate the conditions sutible for life, and after the first few hunderd years (once the half life of the seious bad stuff decayed) the amount of hard radiation would be both diluted and minimized.  Still hardly sutible for human life, but there are a number of plants and animals that would thrive under these conditions.  Gia is much stronger than we are.

The only way to truely manage our environment is to get off world.  By being forced to survive in space we will be required to develop the technologies to better manage the environment here on earth.  In a closed habitat environmentalism is life or death.  On the earth it’s somebody elses problem and even if the Canadians commit to the keyoto accord the Americans can just decide it’s not going to apply to them.

If we develop these thechnologies to the point where they become common we can start using them in our own private environemnts and actually attempt the net zero state.

There is so much more to the environment and global change to “know” already species that thrive in the changed environment are expanding and mulitplying.  Gia may be using these other species to adjust for the damage caused, or it may just make the problem worse.  This issue is just as ephemeral as “god” because nobody can have a model that would account for everything that is going on, so everyone speculates.

And when it comes down to it “disaster” makes for good media attention.  And fear in the populace makes for easy government control.

Onceuponatime when early humans were frightened by the natural world, they personalized it - even anthropomorphisized it - to make it more comprehensible.  Lightning was thrown by the gods; illnesses were caused by spirits.  The concept of a complex environment without intention lay millennia in the future.

Future’s here now, but how hard it is to imagine an impersonal universe?  Easier to say, “Gaia”, attributing consciousness to a planet?

Well what the heck; we’re both in favor of a cleaner environment.  I guess the reasons don’t matter that much.