I was looking to see if anyone other than you posted/started topics of discussion after reading this same piece earlier.

All I can say is we are flaming morons.. these
bozo brains (see..nice to Dwarfs !) go out and kill people and threaten others over a stupid cartoon in a paper which has harmed nothing more than some silly terrorist egos.. yet the rest of the non islamic world sits around and does nothing when these peace loving islamic terrorists trot out indivudals they have taken as prisoners and play “slice and dice” with their heads on Islamic network TV, broadcast via satellite around most of the world…

I’m with Major Hunt, the Military Guru of Foxnews… BOMB the BASTARDS and show them how the game is really played until they get the idea we won’t tolerate it anymore !

The media is about as low themselves.. they pander to all this to be the first with the story.. if no one covered these dimbulbs there
would be no reason for their hissy-fits and killing.

Worst thing most Christians will do is pray that you burn in Hell or that God strikes you down in some horrible fashion such as giving you ass cancer

Does that include Bush, and his 160 000 killers.

He burned 6000 Iraqies in 2 weeks in Faluga backed by his christian beliefs.

I’m with Major Hunt, the Military Guru of Foxnews… BOMB the BASTARDS and show them how the game is really played until they get the idea we won’t tolerate it anymore !

Do you mean they are not doing that?

I used to know a Muslim guy who would claim that Islam was a religion of peace. Its history (and present) seems to contradict such a claim, however.

Worst thing most Christians will do is pray that you burn in Hell or that God strikes you down in some horrible fashion such as giving you ass cancer

I’m going to back Alphamale here (though I do not think that Bush’s nonetheless idiotic Iraq war was carried out strictly for “Christian” reasons). Not only are so-called Christians currently assaulting our Constitution and trying to mold our country into one that would reflect only their absurd, antiquated agenda, but they have demonstrated on more than one occasion that they will resort to violence when they do not get their way. Bombings of doctors’ clinics, gay bars, and assassination attempts on Supreme Court Justices who do not share their views (i.e. the late Justice Henry Blackmun) spring to mind. It may be that Christian terrorism is more of a rarity than Islamic terrorism (though I personally would argue that this has less to do with fundamental differences between the two religions and more to do with the fact that Christian terrorists have less of an opportunity to implement their destructive plans due to the security/governmental differences between this country and, say, a predominantly Muslim one), but I don’t think the violent tendencies of Christian fundamentalists should be underscored. I know that, for the most part, I’m preaching to the choir here, but I feel that this needs to be said anyway.

I’m with Major Hunt, the Military Guru of Foxnews… BOMB the BASTARDS and show them how the game is really played until they get the idea we won’t tolerate it anymore !
Do you mean they are not doing that?

Apparently not enough for it to sink into their heads and for them to get the message.

I used to know a Muslim guy who would claim that Islam was a religion of peace. Its history (and present) seems to contradict such a claim, however.

Worst thing most Christians will do is pray that you burn in Hell or that God strikes you down in some horrible fashion such as giving you ass cancer

Well I don’t think the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition or the Salem Witch Trials, all done in the name of Christians were tea parties with cake and door prizes !  So the blame should be divided equally to all the religious fanatics.. part of what I find distasteful about organized religion and the need to believe what I do on my own.

Excuse my French, but this has gone way too fucking far—not only the whole “Islam is peaceful yet Muhammed says to kill all infidels and those who don’t agree with us” hypocrisy, but the Dhimmi dimwits who sit there and appease them! I commented about the row the Danish cartoons caused in my blog maybe a month ago, but this is merely one more example of how Europe (and the USA, to a lesser extent) has been getting more and more extreme in this PC ideal that everyone has a right to not be offended.

In October, a British Banking instutiona voluntarily stopped circulating piggy banks so as to not offend Muslims.  http://www.theage.com.au/news/World/Piggy-banks-offend-UK-Muslims/2005/10/24/1130006056771.html

The British parliament is current deciding the fate of religious hate bill, which many critics argue would criminalize any criticism towards religious beliefs.  Right now it doens’t look like it’ll pass, but damn is it scary to think that a Brit could get a criminal record for saying “there’s no conclusive proof that Jesus ever existed”, or “Islam encourages the oppression of women and preaches intolerance and violence towards non-Muslims”, all of which would be factually true.  It’s already illegal to publically deny the Holocaust there.

As I said, it’s the appeasing idiots who actually help make all of this possible.  One that stands out in particular is some idiot in either Norway or Sweden, who believed that Scandinavian girls were responsible for their own rapes. It was in an article about the rape epidemic in Scandinavia perpetuated mostly by young Muslim men, who admit their faith dictates that they look down upon non-Muslim women.  I unfortunately don’t have the link handy, though. Her reasoning was that as a multicultural society, Scandinavian girls must understand that Western clothing entices Islamic men.  What kind of fucked up logic do you have to use to tell a rape victim that she’s at fault for wearing the normal clothes of her own country, because it offends the sensibilities of a foreigner (or child of a foreigner)?

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This whole thing sort of makes the Salman Rushdie death fatwa look kinda quaint and innocent.

How’s Rushdie doing these days?  Did they ever get that Fatwa lifted?

I don’t know the Koran - certainly it has some violent passages in it.  I do know the bible reasonably well and it also has bloodthirsty spots.

Each side should really give it the ol’ second thoughts before going medieval on the others’ asses.  Cruise missiles or IED’s - we are going to have to at least take ancient hatreds out of the modern equation and see about defusing the ones that are left.  Our weapons and the problems of the world today are too big to do otherwise.

I completely agree with Les here.  If it were Christians complaining about a cartoon featuring Jesus, I’d be just as disgusted.  Freedom of the press is freedom of the press, even if you don’t agree.  Besides that, who’s forcing them to look?  I don’t like Bill O’Reilly, so I don’t watch him. 
And besides that, even if you accept Islam as true, how much do you think Allah and Mohammed care about a cartoon?  I’m pretty sure they’re busy doing something else.

Is there any link to the actual cartoons?

Good question…Ive been wondering the same thing.

http://www.zombietime.com/mohammed_image_archive/

scroll down until you see the heading “Jyllands-Posten”

There are times I wish I was Danish not Swedish
descent, but I can always claim to be a born/bred
American and that usually is enough to piss off the visiting relatives from scandahoovian land
when they migrate here to mooch off everyone once every so many years…they call it their “Holiday”... its usually because they wonderful ultra liberal socialized medicine is such a scam when they have waited long enough and still not gotten their free treatment they get cut rate fares here and hit the mega city Medical Centers for what they need and of course mooch off the few relative they have living here..  I heard one of my aunts once comment about the rape thing and its a good thing her english and my swedish both suck.. or they’d never talk to me again.  It is their type of mentality that does cause this whole mess to keep festering, along with the other countries that do the same stupid shit… like the Frenchies..

By the way the day I have peeld my relegious believs I wake up with no hate for any creature and when you finding your self using terms of hate look inside you for residulas of such self propelled intities called relegions, they got to be there.

I’m going to back Alphamale here (though I do not think that Bush’s nonetheless idiotic Iraq war was carried out strictly for “Christian�? reasons)

what do you say if Bush used the term cruseaid in his speach just before the invasion. They tried to correct it later but it was too late.

Apparently not enough for it to sink into their heads and for them to get the message.

Can you tell us what will satisfy your thrirst for killing and destruction? Give us some scenarios please.

All faiths are attacked in this way,the Muslims do it to Jews.
Jews are often a target

cartoon round up

The belgians even gave an arts grant to a muslim ‘artist’ check out the poster.
link
This is not about offense IMO it’s Islam mobilising their footsoldiers of dissent.
Raising the stakes.

If muslim terrorists invoke their religion while involved in political actions ie bombings then it’s hardly suprising if their religion is thrown back at them by those who oppose them.

Blowing up the symbols of another religion/philosophy ie the Bhuddas did them no favours and won them few friends.
It’s all well and good the Muslim clergy radicalising for their own ends but they need to understand that it cuts both ways many will be even less tolerant towards them.

Have you seen this is it blasphemous/offensive
It’s certainly funny.
Apologies if it’s been posted before.

Jesus singing I Will Survive

Goddamn. Get the fuck over it. Its a fucking cartoon, its not an unspeakable act like, I dunno lopping off a journalist’s head and video-taping it, so there’s no reason to get upset about it and go running about killing Europeans indiscriminately. By the way, don’t drag Bush or the goddamn war into this because that’s not what its about.

Learn to close your fugging tags guys.  It’s not nice to break SEB.

Organised religion would appear to be a symptom of male insecurity, at least in the case of islam and christianity. I always found it amusing that they tell us how awe inspiring and powerful their gods are, and then go around killing people in his name as if he is too weak to do it himself.

Makes me think of santa claus with the parents sneaking in with the presents when you are asleep, ‘See the presents arrived? Santa exists!‘ Or alternatively, ‘See the mangled corpses? This proves Allah/JHWH exists and is all powerful!‘ Alternatively it proves some people are very desperate and insecure in their belief.

Learn to close your fugging tags guys.  It’s not nice to break SEB.

It shouldn’t carry over however.

How’s Rushdie doing these days?  Did they ever get that Fatwa lifted?

As far as I know, its sorta ‘resting’. Not officially lifted though, AFAIK. Rushdie is apparently moving about quite freely, and without any (known) bodyguards anymore.

As for the whole continuing saga, we know have Uno secretary Annan saying (well his press spokesman said it) that press freedom should always be used in a way respectful of religion. Whatever that means. So is it still okay if I want to ridicule a religion on a private website?

I fixed the tag. No big deal. It’s more a sign of my poor design skills that I haven’t worked out a way to limit such bloopers to the containing DIV.

Speaking of blastphemy… my older daugther send me a link to a religious Parody site (taken from the school fiasco’s etc) called

The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster

http://www.venganza.org/

It is amusing - not really interactive discussion like here but the guy has a good talent for taking the ridiculous of that genre beyond that and poking fun.. 

My favorite was the parody on the Jesus Fish people have on the back of their vehicles.. I could not resist and I seldom if ever put anything on mine.  I had to get the T-Rex eating the Jesus fish since it appealed to my onging argument with the fundamentals over creation vs evolution.  He’s quite happy on the back of my truck right now for all to see.

My daughter said she used one of their quotes as her signature line (“I’ve found Jesus, he’s been hiding behind my couch all this time”) for her emails and caught a lot of shit from one of her work/email friends that happends to be an “internet ordained minister” for one of these born-again cult like groups.. daughter being quite clever turned the rant right back around to her citing its inner meaning was that God (Jesus) is everywhere in one’s life…. of course her real reason for using it was the same thing you all have probably chuckled about when you read it.

The FSM has touched many of us here with his noodly appendage. You’ll see him spring up from time to time throughout the comments. GeekMom is a devotee of his as I recall.

Even as an Agnostic Fundermentalist I don’t go out of my way to not give a flying fuck what any of these religous cults belive is right or wrong.
In my perception these religions were conceived ,pre-written law mostly, to give the society in which they were concieved some structure by which to live and operate. Most of which have apparently not adapted to progress and the conflict that contact with outside cultures has brought upon them.
Christians, Jews & Muslims, please just get over your differences , grow up with the modern world around you. Different people have different views .
& us non believers are finding it all a little tiresome.
That said, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, it’s just that mine is better.

Christopher Hitchens says it very well:

“Islam makes very large claims for itself. In its art, there is a prejudice against representing the human form at all. The prohibition on picturing the prophet—who was only another male mammal—is apparently absolute. So is the prohibition on pork or alcohol or, in some Muslim societies, music or dancing. Very well then, let a good Muslim abstain rigorously from all these. But if he claims the right to make me abstain as well, he offers the clearest possible warning and proof of an aggressive intent. This current uneasy coexistence is only an interlude, he seems to say. For the moment, all I can do is claim to possess absolute truth and demand absolute immunity from criticism. But in the future, you will do what I say and you will do it on pain of death.“
- Christopher Hitchens on Slate - The case for mocking religion

Your religion restricts you from certain things?  Fine - don’t do those things.  Don’t expect me to tiptoe around for you.  (I found the Slate link on Respectful Insolence)

***Dave also has a really good 8-point analysis of the issue; Open Letter.  He rips ‘em several richly-deserved new ones.