Supposing there is such a thing as racial superiority, would it really matter? We all—even non-human animals—experience happiness, pleasure, fear, suffering, and pain. Life is short. Kindness and compassion should be the order of the day (but I’m still not going to go out of my way to say nice things about conservatives or religious zealots ).

Racial superiority is a joke.

Really?  I thought it could be measured using the scientific-method…

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We (humanity) breed to enhance certain traits in all sorts of organisms, including humans.  To say that racial supiority is a “joke” is naive at best.  More likely, people try and ignore this fact.

With the advent of mass-tweeking this or that genetic matrix, the “joke” of racial superiority will become an egg-on-face-joke in the soon to be future.

I believe that the Chinese Red Army’s industrial assets, general Japanese culture, or even some wealthy Nigerian-arms-dealer’s extended family would gleefully, without hesitatation, harness this technology for their respective needs.  Racial Superiority has always been a fact, a fact the world is now bringing to an industrial scale.

Don’t ignore science, even when it triggers your social-conditioning reflexes, please.

I am grateful for the perspective that being a white man has given me only because I have a unique perspective and that is part of it.  I have no doubts that if I were a black woman I’d be just as grateful for the things that have contributed to the perspective I have today, as difficult as some of them have been.  That is not racist.  I would never want a world of one race.  I just can’t imagine it.

That argument uses terrible logic.  It is not even worth a rebuttal.  For crying out loud using the same logic means that Woman’s History Month is sexist.  Any time spent on a rebuttal to that is time you will never have to yourself again, it is time that you’ll wish you had back on your death bed.  Kind of like that time I spent watching the Dukes of Hazard movie.  An hour and a half of my life down the shitter.

Craig

Living and growing up in a rural area, but going to a public school (read : inner-city) makes a lot of this make sense to me.
I realize that parts of it make no sense at all. “You have the United Negro College Fund. You have Martin Luther King Day. You have Black History Month. You have Cesar Chavez Day. You have Yom Hashoah. You have Ma’uled Al-Nabi You have the NAACP. You have BET.”?
I specifically identify with the part about racial slur. “Honky,” “goth,” “lil white boy,” and all kinds of recited bullshit. Its not very endearing to be referred to as “flour boy” during school.
It makes me want to kick the shit out of these niggers. It doesn’t do anyone any good (maybe my ego?) but how else is anyone to solve it? I’m a racist because I said the word nigger, but they’re just and righteous because I’m flour boy?
What bullshit is this?

Rob Adams: Racial Superiority has always been a fact, a fact the world is now bringing to an industrial scale.

Rob, what you are refering to is race as a social category (which ultimately is all it really is) . To speak of one racial group as superior to another in a biological sense is a joke.

Doctor M.: I’m a racist because I said the word nigger, but they’re just and righteous because I’m flour boy?

No, they’re not “just and righteous” for using such slurs. They’re engaging in discrimination based on race, and this is always wrong. However, given the history of racism and discrimination that Blacks still face in this country, I personally feel that it’s worse for a White to call a Black a racial slur than vice versa. However, that doesn’t change the fact that employing racial slurs is wrong on both counts.

I specifically identify with the part about racial slur. “Honky,” “goth,” “lil white boy,” and all kinds of recited bullshit.

????

“Goth” is a racial slur, now? When did that happen?

KPG: “Goth” is a racial slur, now? When did that happen?

We are witness to the birth of a slur.  Shall we rejoice or cry?

Sexy Sadie:
engaging in discrimination based on race, is always wrong.

It is worse for a White to call a Black a racial slur than vice versa.

Bit of advice: If you’re going to write two sentences which contradict each other, put them in different comments rather than right next to each other in the same comment.  That way, your hypocrisy will be slightly less noticeable.

decrepitoldfool: To the extent that race and culture line up, one can be mistaken for the other.  One culture can be superior to another; races, not.

Careful not to say that around your academic friends, decrepitoldfool.  One culture superior to another?!? On most college campuses, that’s heresy.  Remember, every culture is equally valuable (*except Christianity, western European/former Roman Empire, and anything to do with America).

You are correct about culture being far more important than race.  For example, blacks in this country are poorer than whites—not because they’re black, but because hip-hop culture has rejected marriage and replaced it with the “pimp’s -n- ho’s” trash you see on BET.  If you compare married black families headed by college-educated parents to similar married white families, the black families actually make slightly more money.  Too bad that married black families are about as rare as hen’s teeth.

If you look at all black families, the poverty rate of single-parent households is a staggering 40%.  For legitimate families with married parents, it drops into the single-digits.

As Walter Williams said, “Would you buy an explanation that it’s because white people practice discrimination against one segment of the black population and not the other?  Or that one segment had a history of slavery and not the other? You’d have to be a lunatic to buy such an explanation. The only distinction between both the black and white populations is marriage—lower poverty in married-couple families.” (original article)

Black families will never climb out of poverty until they do something about their staggering 70% illegitimacy rate.  That means changing their culture.  It means celebrating education instead of mocking it.  It means embracing marriage instead of disparaging it.  It means manning up instead of blaming everyone else for their problems.

Hypersexual alpha males grinding a harem of female “sex objects” might make a hit hip-hop video, but it’s not actually a good strategy for a culture to educate its children.  Go figure.

PS: Walter Williams is my hero *sniff*!  He has been writing about this stuff for decades.  You can read hundreds of his columns here.

“Whenever I run into prejudice, I smile and feel sorry for them, and I say to myself, `There’s one more argument for birth control.’”
—Freddy Fender, 1937-2006

Sexy Sadie:
engaging in discrimination based on race, is always wrong.

It is worse for a White to call a Black a racial slur than vice versa.

Daryl: Bit of advice: If you’re going to write two sentences which contradict each other, put them in different comments rather than right next to each other in the same comment.  That way, your hypocrisy will be slightly less noticeable.

Uh, I call bullshit. There is nothing contradictory in those two statements. Do you really believe there is no degree of wrong, that it simply is bad or isn’t bad? That’s just ridiculous. A gunshot wound in the leg is bad. It hurts like hell and there’s lots of blood. A gunshot wound to the head is usually worse. Brains everywhere. Both are bad, one is worse than the other.

Racial slurs directed at blacks are worse than similar slurs directed at whites because of the history involved. A comment directed at a white man can only be taken as “I don’t like you.” A similar comment to a black man can be construed in many ways, including “I think you belong in chains or working a cotton patch.” Context is everything.

Hypersexual alpha males grinding a harem of female “sex objects” might make a hit hip-hop video, but it’s not actually a good strategy for a culture to educate its children.

You think that sexual objectification is the problem? That it’s unique to the black community? What planet are you from? Whites have been objectifying women in pop culture for much longer than blacks have. Try watching a James Bond movie or picking up an issue of Playboy. (Nothing against either Bond or Playboy, I enjoy both. Just pointing out that we can look beyond objectification in entertainment. It doesn’t control our society.)

Racial slurs directed at blacks are worse than similar slurs directed at whites because of the history involved. A comment directed at a white man can only be taken as “I don’t like you.” A similar comment to a black man can be construed in many ways, including “I think you belong in chains or working a cotton patch.” Context is everything.

They are always fighting to be called “equal”, why shouldn’t a nigger calling me a Cracker get the same reaction as I do calling a nigger a nigger?

Because their ancestors never made your ancestors ride at the back of the bus, you fucking ‘tard.

Such hostility.

My ancestors never did such things to the African Jungle Bunnies. Many of the “Native” Americans, however, were killed by my great, great grandpa in Oklahoma.

Fuck you, I hope you die in a car fire.

Fuck you, I hope you die in a car fire.

Why? So that I can help the White statistics get closer to the Scoobies?

黒人 Even the Japs have a word for “Nigger”

Racial superiority is a joke.

Then why do we have 1st World and 3rd World ghettos?

Objectively, there is a collective economic and cultural superiority for some races.

“Goth” is a racial slur, now?

Goths - another sub-culture of non-conformists conforming. 

My ancestors never did such things to the African Jungle Bunnies.

A. You may have no idea what your ancestors did. To use a word like ‘never’ is like you had a PI recording their every move. At best you could suggest they weren’t known to have, that is of course if none of the women among your ancestors lied as to who was the father of subsequent generations.
B. If you learnt your current prejudices from your home programming it’s almost certain your statement is just a load of crap.
C. Po’ white trash was (is?) even seen to be superior to Africans ... by white trash.
D. A few months ago you said you weren’t going to have kids.
I hope it’s still the case and in anticipation - Thanks. 

“A few months ago you said you weren’t going to have kids.
I hope it’s still the case and in anticipation - Thanks.”

I don’t know now. I have this urge to move to Utah and have 5 wives and a few kids....

Daryl:Bit of advice: If you’re going to write two sentences which contradict each other, put them in different comments rather than right next to each other in the same comment.  That way, your hypocrisy will be slightly less noticeable.

Nice try, Daryl. It is an objective fact that Blacks have had it a bit harder in this country than Whites. For a White to call a Black a “nigger” carries with it more venom than for a Black to call a White a “cracker.” To point that out is not “discrimination” (unless they’ve changed the dictionaries overnight).

Sexy Sadie and KPatrickGlover:

Holding black people to lower standards of conduct than white people is exactly why the black community is in such disarray.  When they behave badly, no one calls them on it.

Blacks do not need more liberal apologists of any race making excuses for bad behavior.  That hasn’t helped in the past 40 years, and it’s not likely to help now.  They need more people like Walter Williams and Bill Cosby telling them, “Look in the mirror and clean up your act.”

Regarding the Sexy Sadie and KPatrickGlover/Daryl Cantrell debate, I want to point out that, in the moment, the history behind it all means nothing to the person on the receiving end of those racist comments/attitudes, and sometimes, not even to those who have a specific right to it. Most of us are living right now. I attended a high school where being a white female meant you didn’t walk into a restroom alone, and you were a target for sexual harassment and abuse by students and even the occasional administrator. I was fortunate to have grown up with people from all colors of the human rainbow, so I recognized racist bullshit when I saw it—and it was bullshit no matter from whom it came. Otherwise, I might have developed racist attitudes myself. I recognize it was said that “engaging in discrimination based on race, is always wrong.” But I do believe to think racism is worse when directed one way is to be naïve to the nature of that beast.

Daryl, for some reason I have my doubts that you’re in any sense a crusader for racial justice. I mean, take this attitude:

On most college campuses, that’s heresy.  Remember, every culture is equally valuable (*except Christianity, western European/former Roman Empire, and anything to do with America).

Aside from the whining, there are some pretty revealing undertones in that little rant. Are you suggesting that anyone should glorify the Western European colonialism of centuries past? Are you dismayed, ala Dinesh D’Souza, that academic intellectuals would dare to even point out the obvious evils of such imperialistic pursuits, let alone question them?

Justice: But I do believe to think racism is worse when directed one way is to be naïve to the nature of that beast.

Technically, I’d be inclined to agree with you. For me, though, it is hard to neglect the history involved when considering the topic of racism. As such, my sympathies are more with the historical (and still present) underdogs.

Are you suggesting that anyone should glorify the Western European colonialism of centuries past?

Here’s the problem with this: it implies that subjugation is a European pursuit. It just happens that we were better at it because we happened to have the technology to do it bigger. All races and cultures are adept at imperialism and conquest and mass murder. The Aztecs murdered hundreds to appease their gods, many of those on the slave ships were sold to the Europeans by other Africans, who themselves kept slaves, and we all know of Japanese attrocities 60-70 years ago. A freind told me of the original Japanese inhabitants, who were driven out by the ‘Japanese’, and still live on one island, and are known as the ‘Hairy men’- they grow beards etc.

The Indian Caste system STILL subjugates the ‘untouchables’ (now called something else, but it’s the same effect). Female circumcision is still widespread in some parts of the world, as is forced marriage and it’s associated evil, honour killings.  Shi’ites and Sunnis kill each other because of different interpretaion over the status of Muhammeds son.

Now here is the difficult bit. Europeans did the industrial revolution first, this allowed them to do to others, only first. That colonialism, while subjugating others around the world, generated wealth that further fueled the industrial revolution, producing greater advances. Warfare and conquest are a- possible even the- major driver to technological advance.  The fact that you are reading this is a decendent of the fact that Horse Guards needed to know what those damn fuzzy wuzzies were up to 100 years ago.  We now know that intellectually there is no difference between black and white and whatever else you wish to mention. But 100 years ago it was a natural assumption- we have trains and machines and stuff, and they hunt wildebeest: “We are more advanced, therefore we must be cleverer.  Therefore we must be in the right, let’s civilise them.”

Modern culture is still rebalancing itself over the effects of colonialism.  Some countries still feel its effects. This subjugation 60-200 years ago is now the cause, and some times a poor excuse, for racism against whites.  Case in point: Zimbabwe.  Mugabee holds on to power by blaming the whites for everything.  The problems are actually caused by the fact he is a meglomanic dictator from the same factory as Kim il-jong, Pol Pot, Caligula and all the others in that mould (I DIDNT include Hitler and Stalin on purpose- Hitler especially proved to be a very good economic manage 33-38). From exporting food, Zimbabwe now has a famine.  The whites Great-great-great grandfathers may have taken the land in a colonial grab, but the problems now are caused by Mugabee.

This does not mean that Daryll is right (when is he ever).  There is a problem in African/Caribbean culture in Europe and the USA.  But it is a problem of the culture of blacks in those countries, not a problem of being black. Black boys are the most likely to be excluded from school in Britain. They do worse accademically.  They are more likely to be arrested. This is used as evidence of racism- Blacks in Britain perform at about 85% of the white section (this was a newspaper report about 6 years ago).  HOWEVER Asians (in Britain this means those from India/Pakistan etc) outperform the white majority by about the same amount- they do better in education, and are less likely to commit crime.  Those boys of Caribbean decent who are sent to the ‘old country’ to study, often in schools that owe more to 1950 Britain, than 21st century Britain, suffer no educational disadvantage. 

There is also a noted correlation between social deprivation and performance, which I believe the figures show is largely independent of race.  Alsorts of advantages- health, education crime etc, are skewed towards the rich. Even if they are not trying to exclude others, the fact they have the choice makes it easier for them to ‘do the right thing’. The poor are in negative feedback. There are more teenage pregnancies, single parent families at the bottom end, no matter what the race. Blacks suffered racism that condemend them to the bottom of the pile in Britain, and especially the USA.  Putting them at the bottom, keeps them at the bottom.

And this is why there are Black organisations, not white ones. The whites have had the position to advance.

Last Hussar: “Here’s the problem with this: it implies that subjugation is a European pursuit. It just happens that we were better at it because we happened to have the technology to do it bigger. All races and cultures are adept at imperialism and conquest and mass murder.”

Yes.  Which confers no virtue on Euro-Imperialism but hardly exonerates their victims either.  Maybe one reason so many people are quick to play the victim is that the victim is always the “innocent” one in the story. 

History is a bloody thing and how bloody in any given case depends mostly on the length of the knives.  VERY few exceptions to this.

On the subject of racial superiority: it is pretty much a given that variations of native ability between individuals regardless of group far exceed the variation (if any, and even if you could figure out how to measure it) between group averages.  Feel free to disagree but that’s the gist I’ve picked up over the years.