Is This Racist?

Posted by sweet_lil_jericho on Friday, October 13, 2006 at 05:29 PM. Read 2097 times. Tags:
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This was emailed to me; although it makes some points, and I don’t agree with the hypenated form of American, I still think the white people who came before us (and who are probably the forefathers of the anti-gay, anti-abortion, anti everything neo-cons of today) are responsible for the dissemination of our society as a whole.

    Someone else besides me finally said it. How many are actually paying attention to this?

    There are African Americans, Mexican Americans, Asian Americans, Arab Americans, Native Americans, etc. and then there are just Americans.

    You pass me on the street and sneer in my direction. You call me “White boy,” “Cracker,” “Honkey,” “Whitey,” “Caveman” and that’s OK.

    But when I call you, Nigger, Kike, Towel head, Sand-nigger, camel Jockey, Beaner, Gook, or Chink you call me a racist.

    You say that whites commit a lot of violence against you, so why are the ghettos the most dangerous places to live?

    You have the United Negro College Fund. You have Martin Luther King Day. You have Black History Month. You have Cesar Chavez Day. You have Yom Hashoah. You have Ma’uled Al-Nabi You have the NAACP. You have BET.

    If we had WET(White Entertainment Television) we’d be racists. If we had a White Pride Day you would call us racists. If we had White History Month, we’d be racists. If we had any organization for only whites to “advance” our lives, we’d be racists.

    We have a Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, a Black Chamber of Commerce, and then we just have the plain Chamber of Commerce. Wonder who pays for that?

    If we had a college fund that only gave white students scholarships, you know we’d be racists. There are over 60 openly proclaimed Black Colleges in the US, yet if there were “White colleges” that would be a racist college.

    In the Million Man March, you believed that you were marching for your race and rights. If we marched for our race and rights, you would call us racists.

    You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange, and you’re not afraid to announce it. But when we announce our white pride, you call us racists.

    You rob us, car jack us, and shoot at us. But, when a white police officer shoots a black gang member or beats up a black drug-dealer running from the law and posing a threat to society, you call him a racist.

    I am proud. But, you call me a racist.

[Editor’s Note: Short answer is, “Yes, this is racist.” Best rebuttal I’ve seen to the claims made in that email can be found at The News Blog. Go read it.]

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Sadie Jane United States Posted on 10/13/2006 at 08:02 PM

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Quick! Somebody call the “Whaaaaaaaaaaaambulance!” Poor, poor whites such as myself are being so oppressed! Why, it’s almost as bad as what’s happening to those poor Christians!

I occasionally get right-wing bullshit like this in my inbox as well. I used to craft clever responses to the senders, but now I figure that a quick delete is all these messages are good for.

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Bog Brother United States Posted on 10/13/2006 at 08:18 PM

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Yeah, we are practically becoming a minority, what being well over 60% of the total population (or whatever the actual number is) and all.  Personally, I think we need to focus on the financial and social disparities in our supposedly “classless” society. 

Race is just a way for the powerful to get the rest of us to not focus on the real issue, the fact that society is built on keeping everyone who isn’t already on top, on the bottom.  We’ve had some advances in recent history to counter this, but it seems things like worker’s rights, and civil rights are being rolled back more and more.  I know there are definite racial problems of course, but I think they are mostly just a red herring to keep our focus off the real issues. 

Reminds me of a line from Working Class Hero by John Lennon:

Keep you doped with religion and sex and TV,
And you think you’re so clever and classless and free,
But you’re still fucking peasents as far as I can see,

I think we could easily add race and a few other things to the list.
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SomethingAwful United States Posted on 10/13/2006 at 08:26 PM

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That’s what I don’t get.

Niggah’s go up to each other and say “Yoh man, how’s mah niggah” and it’s okay.

But if you’re taking your four year old on a park-stroll and she sees a black guy and says, “Mom! It’s a niggah, why’s he so black?”, you can pretty much expect your four year old to lose her teeth

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Mick Australia Posted on 10/13/2006 at 08:34 PM

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Excellent rebuttal.

Patness Canada Posted on 10/13/2006 at 08:34 PM

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The thing to remember when reading stuff like this is that we essentially have all that - the tradeoff is that since we’re in the majority, we’re not able to call it that. WET? Spike does it for me. White CoC? Aren’t they already?

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Paul United States Posted on 10/13/2006 at 08:53 PM

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Well it sounds like this person is serious. And I don’t think of myself as a “ Native American “ I am a Wicasa = Person. I am a Citizen of the Universe. I would speak more of my language but it seems some other folks a long time ago could not adopt the “Live and let Live attitude”. They also decided that my Great Grand Father could not live on his land anymore which is now the R.J. Reynolds place, so they marched his ass and the asses of several hundreds of thousands of others like him, west of the Mississippi. Ten’s of thousands died on the way. Google “Trail of Tears” about it. I would like to think of myself as a person that wants to love everyone. I only have a problem with people who feel they are superior to others.

I’ll be honest. I have a problem right now with
Christians and Muslims. I don’t get it. But it still is not within me to hate them. It’s more like Pity mixed with confusion..I don’t want their mental issues and other problems to become a problem for me.

K. Engels United States Posted on 10/13/2006 at 08:54 PM

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Michigan’s upper peninsula has several events celebrating its Finnish (white) heritage. West Michigan celebrates its Dutch (white) heritage. Nobody claims these events are racist (because the events are not racist). However, they are celebrating real cultures not some ‘white culture’ nonsense. Anybody supporting a singular, monolithic ‘white culture’ is usually racist.

LuckyJohn19 Australia Posted on 10/13/2006 at 09:06 PM

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Jeez - if we could get rid of colour, religion and tribalism/nationalism, humanity would have little left to hate and fight about.

C’mon train ... woops. Wrong joke.
C’mon Moloch.  wink

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Moloch United States Posted on 10/13/2006 at 09:56 PM

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That’s not racist, it’s true.

The white race IS superior.
THAT statement was racist (and true).  grin

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KPatrickGlover United States Posted on 10/13/2006 at 10:03 PM

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I was wondering how long it would be before evilnazishithead put in an appearance in this thread.

And you had to egg him on, LJ…

*wanders away, shaking his head*

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alphacub United States Posted on 10/13/2006 at 10:04 PM

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THAT statement was racist (and true).

Yes. Truly racist.

Moloch United States Posted on 10/13/2006 at 10:07 PM

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I was wondering how long it would be before evilnazishithead put in an appearance in this thread.

Ah, but now it’s clearly in my sights so that I may give my expert opinion to those in need of it.

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Les United States Posted on 10/13/2006 at 10:33 PM

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I actually laughed at Moloch’s last comment.

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Tom Backshall Australia Posted on 10/13/2006 at 11:02 PM

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Sad to say that any race is slightly superior in any way but negro people have less chance of getting sun cancer that white people, and I heard about this pill that only responds with negro people, but I’d have to research that to validate it.

Sean United States Posted on 10/13/2006 at 11:16 PM

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I thought it was an erratic rebuttal that overreached by trying to counter ever single point to widely varying degrees.  Much of the attempted rebuttals seemed to be targetted at strawmen, off target, or flat out missed a gimme.

Re the lack of White-American or Europe-American designations: there are.  We just break them down to individual countries.  Irish-Americans.  German-Americans.  Italian-Americans.

There are white ghettos (go to Appalachia, for starters) And when was the last time that anyone has read of a drive-by in the mountains of West Virginia?  More to the point, the very definition of the word ghetto pretty much excludes nice and rural Appalachia.  Not that the original author was dead on with his comment, rather than referring to a ghetto I think a mention of the high rate of black on black violence would have had greater gravitas.

Umm, what does the history of the UNCF and black colleges have to do with the near certain probability that a white scholarship or college to help disadvantaged white children would provoke a category 5 liberal shitstorm?  Hmm, just a ponder, are there scholarships in the same hyphenated format as our ethnic identities?  No white only scholarships, but are Irish-American or German-American only scholarships out there?

And yes, Black History Month has a proud history and a noble origin.  Still does not convince me that White History Month would not provoke another one of those Cat 5 shitstorms.  I guess we will just have to make do with Irish-American and German-American day/week/month proclamations.  I suppose all us white folks should actually take it as a point of pride that ‘white culture’ is so vast and encompassing that we need to break it down into such a high number of subcategories while all black nationalities get lumped into one generic group representing an entire continent.

Am scrolling through the rebuttal page as I burn through this brain dump and have gotten to the part that really annoyed me.  Thank you so much Ms Rebuttal for continually lumping any form of white pride in exclusively with hood wearing, racist, murdering arsewipes.  Thank you for picking the worst possible elements to represent the white community.  Would anyone approve were I to define black culture exclusively with pics and references to innercity gangbangers? 

What was up with the ‘who pays for that’ comment on Chambers of Commerce?  Duh to the original author for not realizing that member businesses pay.  Duh to the rebutal author for skipping through another likely shitstorm were some white owned business try to start a racially themed Chamber.

I think the rebuttal went way off target with wedding party anecdote.  If anything that lent a tad bit of support to the original.  My take was that he was not arguing that nonwhites can’t be racist, but that nonwhites do not get called on the racism at near the same frequency or vehemence as white racists.

What else jumps out...oh, screw it.  I’ll just wrap up this ramble by saying a pox on both missives.  One was a simplified bit of racial whining and the other was the same with overtones of white guilt on top.  smile

bdoserror Canada Posted on 10/13/2006 at 11:23 PM

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Tom B.—no superiority in a general objective sense, but perhaps in an evolutionary sense.  But, of course, it’s a double-edged sword, only being “superior” in a given context i.e. the environment where they evolved.  For example, While they may have a lower incidence of skin cancer, they produce less vitamin D than caucasians, especially in northern climates where there is less sunlight.  Superior adaptation, nothing more.

LuckyJohn19 Australia Posted on 10/14/2006 at 12:00 AM

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KPG: And you had to egg him on, LJ…

LOL  a lot.
Sorry - there are times I just can’t help myself – the joke cums first.  wink

Moloch, every race has its time in the sun.
You’re young - you will see the re-emergence of the Chinese ... again.
They will own you.  LOL
Non-whites had civilisation when your crowd was still wearing skins, grunting and shitting inside the shelter.
It’s got me fucked as to anyone can think the white race is superior because of skin colour or because they invented some mindless stuff with which they are now enslaved.
It’s so ... so shallow. wink
Time is on the side of off-white - your white race will not survive Time - no matter how much, or how for that matter, you fight it.
But you already know that; that’s why you’re so shitrified.  LOL

Then again, as Sydney Smith said: Never try to reason the prejudice out of a man. It was not reasoned into him, and cannot be reasoned out.

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Moloch United States Posted on 10/14/2006 at 12:33 AM

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I’m happy with my race. How is that a problem?

The Chinese are so buried in their old culture, they can’t do much other than make junk cheaper than anyone else.

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Mick Australia Posted on 10/14/2006 at 01:53 AM

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Belief in racial superiority is dumb. There is no scientific support for such “theories”.

Hell, even the belief that human “races” exist in a biological sense is outdated.

terrorance Canada Posted on 10/14/2006 at 02:14 AM

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Racial superiority? You mean like are black men more greatly endowed then white? If I had a large black penis, I would use to have sex with Moloch’s mom. Maybe then she would have the opportunity to experience what having a non-retarded offspring would be like.

Webs United States Posted on 10/14/2006 at 02:48 AM

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These are the kind of threads trolls thrive off of.  I suggest we move to another topic.  I tried this once before, but here we go.

White Power?

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LuckyJohn19 Australia Posted on 10/14/2006 at 03:21 AM

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Moronity is as easy to make fun of as teapot xianity.
Satire rules.  wink

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LuckyJohn19 Australia Posted on 10/14/2006 at 03:59 AM

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Webs pointed me to Dave Chappelle and - well this one cracked me up.
Betcha can’t watch it with a straight face.  LOL

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decrepitoldfool United States Posted on 10/14/2006 at 07:50 AM

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Here’s a little more nuanced examination of the difference between race and culture from the Swamp Pundit: Affirmative Action.  (and this time, I remembered to activate the link!)

To wit: subcultures (which he calls “mini-cultures” but it’s just a difference in terminology) prosper or fail according to the life strategies they embody.  This is not race, it is culture.  To the extent that race and culture line up, one can be mistaken for the other.  One culture can be superior to another; races, not.

And yes, as a member of the academic community I do get a little tired of being told that I have to walk on eggshells around people of color.  I have never enslaved anyone, oppressed anyone, or discriminated against anyone, but I have the misfortune to look like some people who did.

Neodromos@hotmail.com Italy Posted on 10/14/2006 at 08:26 AM

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Racial superiority is a joke. Racial identity and its origins is tied directly to human evolution. We look like we do because its part of a larger survival mechanism. African-Americans tend to have hair with a tight curl pattern because it increases surface area and displaces heat better. Hair grows on the portions of the body that tend to lose the most heat and African-Americans originated in the tropics. Big fucking deal. Every aspect of our biology can be traced to a survival mechanism of some sort and to argue that one race is superior to the other because of it is ridiculous. As far as racism in America is concerned, well, I think there is a problem with aligning yourself with any group because of the color of your skin. You lose your identity and assume that of the group. I know African-Americans who identify with slavery even though they are from Africa. I know whites who identify with the Holocaust because they converted to Judaism. I think this is a similiar issue. Racism in America today is no where near as bad as it was in the past. I honestly believe its time most Americans take some time to take a breath and say “What the fuck does it matter?” Really, this would easily be a non-issue if most Americans simply realized how ridiculous it really is.

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