I read someplace that this was a hoax, and that there was no such law.  I wish I could remember WHERE I read this, but it’s somewhere on the ‘net today.

Retropolitan, I hope this is a hoax.  If not, then Les is right:  Ahmadinejad is practically begging for to turn Iran into one giant pane of glass.  I did a google news search, and most sources so far appear to be Israeli or Jewish nespapers, which (no offense to anyone), I don’t consider a legitimate unbiased source in this matter.  The Canada Post has apparently removed the story, the Advertiser (Australian) stressed that such a law is unconfirmed, and the US Newswire maintains that the dress code has indeed been discussed, but not implemented.

Edit previous post:  “practically begging the United States (and Israel) to turn.....”

It’s BS. The provenance of National Post should be evidence on its own, but no one can find evidence. The primary debunking has been through a Reuters freelancer reporting through 940 AM Montreal believe it or not.

No one can find anything about this anywhere in Tehran. The closest anyone can work out is that this is a creative misinterpretation of a law encouraging further modesty for Muslim women.

They even sent PM Harper, who now looks like the media conglomerate’s lap dog, to decry the story even if he was forced to admit he “could not be certain” the story was true.

Huffpo is on this, too. This has got to be a record for right-wing debunking.

Actually, the story has been picked up by UPI. However, it still smells fishy to me, and an Iranian MP has explicitly Iranian MP denies yellow badge that badges for non-Muslims were discussed or included in the law.

Even if that’s true, a law mandating an “Islamic dress code” would achieve almost the same purpose. If non-Muslims aren’t required to wear it, they become very easily and instantly identifiable. If they are required to wear it, the effect is of making non-Muslims conform to Muslim edicts.

Les: If Islam really is a religion of peace then all the other Islamic nations had better get off their collective asses and start condemning the idiocy coming out of Iran

They won’t/can’t coz it isn’t.
Dad read it recently and told me that on just about every page there’s more than one reference to killing the infidels.
After reading End of Faith, I concur.

So the rest of the Muslim nations, all of which (save for south east Iraq) are Sunni, are expected to condem Shia Iran? Gee why don’t we ask American protestant fundies to condem the Vatican while we are at it (or vice versa)… since that would prove absolutely nothing.

Until’ll turn up on MEMRI soon enough, i bet.
Sounds like the mistranslation has already been done for them, though.

Even without this sort of thing, I always wonder if anything would’ve turned out differently had Ahmadinejad had been in power back in late 2001.

To the extent this very detailed story is fake, one might assume someon’s trying to cement the comparison of ahmedinejad to hitler.

To the extent this very detailed story is fake, one might assume someon’s trying to cement the comparison of ahmedinejad to hitler.

DING DING DING

Ahmadinejad’s oft hyped statements are simply “playing to his base” as American politicos tend to say.

Using UPI, which no Unipresser of old would recognize, as a supporting source is ridiculous. Did the puchase and adoption of the name and logo by News World Communications for its syndication services elude everyone but me?

Sam Harris’ End of Faith cannot be considered a rational and reasonable look at the Islamic world. It’s a hack paperback thrown together to sell to the News World/Drudge/Fox/National Post crowd and of course pushes the agenda that got “our sons and brothers” into Iraq in the first place.

The very bureaucracy of such a law, and forget for a moment no first-source supporting evidence exists, stinks of the fantasy of a desperate, connected white man.

Enough ugliness is going on in that part of the world, one does not need to make things up about it. Of course, making things up is easier than a few hours of Googling and finding authentic horrors about which to be selectively appalled.

Even Worldnetdaily is reporting the story as unsupportable. I don’t know what the agenda is, but I do know I was called a fool when these kinds of stories and rehashings of long debunked 1991 material were circulating about Iraq in Fall 2002. I had the audacity to state that our forces must be there.

Once our yanks are lured successfully to Iran, what then? What’s the game? Either side? Anybody?

Once our yanks are lured successfully to Iran, what then? What’s the game?

Oh, don’t be fussy.  We didn’t have a plan going into Iraq and everything turned out fine. 

UPI is owned by the Unification Church (Moonies), and the Iranian government is denying the patch thing:

TEHRAN, Iran — An Iranian legislator Friday denied Western media and Internet reports that the country is debating a measure that would require Jews, Christians and other non-Muslims to wear a patch of colored cloth on their garments.

“It’s a sheer lie. The rumors about this are worthless,” said Emad Afroogh, who chairs the parliament’s cultural committee.

Afroogh said the bill, which he sponsored, seeks to make women dress more conservatively by discouraging Western clothing, increasing taxes on imported clothes and paying for an advertising campaign to encourage citizens to wear Islamic-style garments.

Stan: It’s a hack paperback thrown together to sell to the News World/Drudge/Fox/National Post crowd and of course pushes the agenda that got “our sons and brothers� into Iraq in the first place.

Of the four mentioned I’m only semi-familiar with Fox coz it’s owned by Rupert, the ex-Ozzie who, like Hearst, plays to the lowest common denominator, fear.
Sam Harris’ book is against the invisible beings industry, and its devotees; as anti-xian as it is anti-islam.
It seemed the only religion he had time for was Buddhism coz it’s never gone to war; is generally more philosophical and empirical in outlook and understanding, and it doesn’t require Leaps of Faith to play.
I think most xians would be uncomfortably confronted in reading EoF.
If he was trying to win friends and influence people, EoF was not the book to write as there are many xians in your country including your leader and most of the white house cheer squad who would feel belittled and insulted by it.
But, hey, I may have been too easily amused and misread it completely.

Y’Know, I didn’t really wanna write something like this, but, what the hey - I chose the moniker DeathToHumans so, for the sake of discussion…

who’d really complain about a 2,000 km long piece of stained glass formerly known as the original aryan nation? Hmm? How about a couple thousand square k’s of roasted bible belt? Hmm?

It’s funny, say something like that about say India, just as fervent (i spose) but much less concerned about other people affairs, and you’re just a currymuncher hater (to partially quote my old man). Say that about africa and you’re shooting fish in a barrel. say it about south america and you’re remarkably foresighted (hmm?), given the burgeoning (well burgeoned) arms trade and religious doctrines that seem all too familiar. Australia? Um. Well, you’d need a lot of nukes to kill us 20 mil or so. Indonesia? 1 hydrogen bomb would wipe that weeping sore off the planet (and I say that with no apologies - fu*k i am a bigot - sorry, i’ll accept any reasonable argument why it shouldn’t be done). Asia? It’d only be done for the sake of population control, heck the survivors would probably thank you for it, you know, the one’s that weren’t too horribly affected - or their descendants. Russia? Definately. A couple around moscow would convey a message - ie we wanted to blast you nyeh nyeh nyeh nyeh nyeh.

I think really the problem is that modern populations are so high that the only measures that seem effective.. no, prudent… um no, expedient, no that’s not it either ... attractive yeah that’ll do are those that end up with lower population figures. much easier to deal with, less people, as a rule, especially if the real problem is accountability. If everyone was accountable for everything they did, then corruption (the root of all evil [that and credit cards) wouldn’t be quite so rife (of course not to mention the less pervasive human failings of violence and general theft (hmm?). You say how? We now have the technology, just not the will. We never used to have the technology (or the will to implement such undermining technologies, had it been available) and that’s why such movements in the past have failed (as in China), simply replacing the old school with those who knew how to keep down future uprisings by virtue of having led them in the past.

There are just too many of us to implement such a Utopian system globally, right? I mean, why bother when eventually something catastrophic will happen to force such a change anyway? Hmm?

Just out of curiousity, does anyone here ever entertain the idea that:

- Israel’s very existence (after so many centuries)
- the seeming worldwide return of jews to their country
- the inexplicable agricultural boom (after years of essentially useless ground/soil in “Palestine")
- the amazing defense in the 1967 6-day war
- the escalation of worldwide anti-semitism
- the fact that Iran/Russia may be aligning for an attack on Israel
- There are groups that are dedicated to building a third temple and re-starting OT-style sacrifices (so far thwarted)
- The land of Israel is being divided (politically - boundary wise)
- It’s almost impossible to turn on the news for 2 days without Israel being in the top headlines (no matter what political persuasion of the particlular news source)

these things line up so neatly with the Bible’s depiction of the end-time tribulation events? Maybe not so much any of these things alone, but the combination of events? This pattern of things in the middle east does NOT indicate we are in the 7-year period prior to the second coming - called the tribulation (Daniel’s 70th week/day of the Lord, etc.), but it does seem to be setting the stage for those events. For more info, do a google search for “Sequence of Tribulation events.” There are mild differences in the interpretation of the sequence of events, but the listing of activities is fairly established through examination of the books of Daniel, Revelation, Ezekiel, etc.
I’ve learned that many of the athiests on this board are well-versed in scripture, so I just wondered if any of you ever think something like:
“Man, I guess anything can happen over the years, but this stuff is getting strangely familiar?”
Note - I post this question regardless of the truth of the original post, which seems far from established as fact.

Short answer: No.

Damn, Les, did you forget to spray this month?

PS: The claim in the cited article is indeed a hoax.

Damn, Les, did you forget to spray this month?

Hey Les, check out this series of videos (The Roach Approach) that might match your developmental level.

Just messing with you. Respect

Oops, I meant that to say: Hey Len…
Les clearly needs deeper exigesis than the Roach Approach

I would say that not only is the story a hoax....but so is the ongoing story that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad called for Israel to be wiped off the map. If you actually read what he said, he was quoting somebody else and then only to the effect of the “Zionist Regime” to disappear from the face of the planet more or less.
Not that I care what the man said one way or the other except that being in the military, I’m tired of everything being twisted to generate the battlecry to go to war some more.
As far as things lining up the way they are in the Bible....it’s a no brainer when people are actively pushing toward what they have read. Self-fullfilled prophecy isn’t all that impressive.

L4t, did you ever entertain the idea that:

- those aspects of Israel which are being realized by Jews look like fulfillment of Biblical prophecy for the very same reason that some fundamentalist Christians want to instigate Armageddon:  that is, these groups want to fulfill Scriptural prophecy themselves?  If your Holy Book says, “On the last Friday of 2006 shall all true believers eat pickles”, and lo and behold, oodles of pickles are consumed on that day, should I believe in your God?  This is akin to the argument that the Bible must be the Word of God because OT prophecies are fulfilled in the NT.  Everyone has the script, so what’s the surprise?

- the alignment of current events with the Bible is a result of cherry-picking and wishful thinking?  For instance, the agricultural boom was made possible by the application of first-world techniques and money in a third-world country.  No magic there, and not unique to Israel.  And the more surrealistic books of the Bible- Daniel, Ezeckiel, and Revelations, are so fantastic that they can support just about any interpretation- a tried and true technique of prophets, from Gilgamesh to Jeanne Dixon.

Now, if the Bible had predicted, say, the collision of Comet Shoemaker-Levy 9 with Jupiter, I’d be more impressed.  But fabulations about coming tribulations for the Jews, and showdowns between good and evil, are not really precise enough to be called predictions.  It’s not as though there hadn’t been religious strife and war before, so saying that more is coming is not necessarily God-given prophecy.

With regards to the original entry’s topic: Let me be the first to say I’m very glad to learn it’s a hoax.

L4T writes…

“Man, I guess anything can happen over the years, but this stuff is getting strangely familiar?�

Remember what I said about vague predictions? You just hit the granddaddy of them all, just as I expected you to. You could even say I predicted it, but I didn’t bother to tell anyone my suspicions of which of the prophecies you’d pick to start with so I have no evidence to back up my claim. Com’on. Surely the Bible, being written by God with his omniscience has at least one good prophecy that lists a date, time and enough specificity that there’s no way it could end up being mere coincidence, yes?

Surely the Bible, being written by God with his omniscience has at least one good prophecy that lists a date, time and enough specificity that there’s no way it could end up being mere coincidence, yes?

Good one.
Everything makes sense 20/20.
Just like Nostradamus did/does?

You could even say I predicted it, but I didn’t bother to tell anyone my suspicions of which of the prophecies you’d pick to start with so I have no evidence to back up my claim.

I believe you, Les.  Get out that old 666 stamp.  I’m ready.

Just like Nostradamus did/does?

You’ll get nice list of prophets and years predicted by them from Penn&Teller - Bullshit show’s fourth part called “End of the World"…
And while at it check also part “The Bible”.

Why I’m thinking original source of this “news” is that boil in house of incompetence/liers?
This is so similar to what Hitler and Stalin used.

And actually Iran would be quite safe country for western tourists compared to its reputation.