How evangelists preach Creationism.

Posted by Neil T. on Tuesday, February 21, 2006 at 02:42 PM. Read 3644 times. Tags: , , ,
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If like me you’re firmly sold on the merits of the theory of the evolution and find it concerning how people can disagree so wildly with it, then an article in the Los Angeles Times will only add to your concerns. The article, Their Own Version of a Big Bang details how one evangelist, Ken Ham, encourages schoolchildren to challenge their teachers if they are told evolution is fact.

Evangelist Ken Ham smiled at the 2,300 elementary students packed into pews, their faces rapt. With dinosaur puppets and silly cartoons, he was training them to reject much of geology, paleontology and evolutionary biology as a sinister tangle of lies.

“Boys and girls,” Ham said. If a teacher so much as mentions evolution, or the Big Bang, or an era when dinosaurs ruled the Earth, “you put your hand up and you say, ‘Excuse me, were you there?’ Can you remember that?”

The children roared their assent.

“Sometimes people will answer, ‘No, but you weren’t there either,’ “ Ham told them. “Then you say, ‘No, I wasn’t, but I know someone who was, and I have his book about the history of the world.’ “ He waved his Bible in the air.

“Who’s the only one who’s always been there?” Ham asked.

“God!” the boys and girls shouted.

“Who’s the only one who knows everything?”

“God!”

“So who should you always trust, God or the scientists?”

The children answered with a thundering: “God!”

It seems that many of the children are sent to these events by evangelical parents who want to give their children ‘another perspective’, or to re-inforce their faith in God. Ken Ham is a former biology teacher, which probably gives him some credibility, and he manages to cobble together some weak ‘scientific’ evidence for his theory, namely cave paintings and the speed at which material can fossilize. The fact that there’s stacks of verifiable scientific evidence in favour of evolution and is the chosen theory of most scientists seems not to matter to him - it’s incompatible with his faith so he chooses to ignore it.

Had Mr Ham just been some random guy off the street this wouldn’t be anything that people like me would lose sleep over, but the fact that he preaches to thousands of people, especially children, every week concerns me greatly.

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moses Canada Posted on 02/24/2006 at 09:41 AM

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Lets see, if I did this right there should be a picture on the right, if not someone tell me how.
Sort of describes the way I fit into the world.

joe United States Posted on 02/24/2006 at 03:55 PM

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“… ‘Excuse me, were you there?’ Can you remember that?â€?

“Then you say, ‘No, I wasn’t, but I know someone who was, and I have his book about the history of the world.’ “

I know I’m preaching to the choir here (pun intended), but will someone explain to me the difference between “Were you there?” as a valid argument against witnessing evolution taking place and “Were you there?” as a valid argument for witnessing the Bible being written?

Sigh.

Sadie Jane United States Posted on 02/24/2006 at 04:22 PM

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...but will someone explain to me the difference between “Were you there?� as a valid argument against witnessing evolution taking place and “Were you there?� as a valid argument for witnessing the Bible being written?

The difference exists only in the delusional mind of Ken Ham. Scientific phenomena need no witnesses in order for us to see that they are valid.

It is ironic that Ham so vehemently denies that anyone could possibly know for certain that the Big Bang or evolutionary changes occurred billions of years ago, yet he seems awfully sure of his “knowledge” that his god was the one who created everything in its present form. When he asked the kids “who’s the one who’s always been there?” I half expected him to shout “ME!”

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Serai Great Britain (UK) Posted on 02/24/2006 at 04:23 PM

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Serai, you’d probably have the smartass kid(or parent) come back and say it can’t be done, thereby proving the scientific invalid.

Wouldn’t that just prove their whole argument invalid too? If he’s claiming the book is authored by the creator and that’s why it can be used as proof against evolution, then surely he needs to prove that claim of authorship first?

dembonez United States Posted on 02/24/2006 at 05:58 PM

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Proof, since when does proof matter to these people. All the proof these people use against evolution and other things like it are all based on “faith” proof. Because they say their god did it is proof enough and you can’t question gods existence so that proves god exists too. Assbackwards thinking but it it satisfies their needs just fine.

swatantra United States Posted on 02/25/2006 at 03:49 PM

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Shit, that is SO depressing.  Poor little kids subjected to mind-control and dogmatic groupthink at such an impressionable age.  Please tell me there is some way to put a stop to this insanity!!!!

moses Canada Posted on 02/25/2006 at 06:19 PM

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yeh, about another half a million years of evolution!

Qoayn United States Posted on 02/25/2006 at 08:10 PM

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Good God Mr Ham!

Yuhank you so very much for helping to raise a new generation of mindless taxpayers. Oh and one more thing Mr Ham, how do you know God knows or did anything ever? WERE YOU FUCKING THERE?

So in 20 or so years, juries will be deciding on heresay and ones religous beliefs or social standing
rather than actually observing scientific facts.

Remember kids, unless someone was there it really didnt happen.  wink

Patness Canada Posted on 02/27/2006 at 04:26 PM

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“Proof denies faith, and without faith, God is nothing”, goes it similar? So I’m not going to send my kids to school, because learning makes the baby Jesus cry. It’s just another test of my faith. School is the devil. Knowledge is what stopped us from living in the Garden of Eden and I ha-....dislike it greatly.

raspberry Of course, if they weren’t hypocrites, that’s how it would be.

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LuckyJohn19 Australia Posted on 10/26/2006 at 07:17 AM

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I just saw a programme on TV, the transcript of which is here ...

Narration: Incredibly the next wave of targeted therapies may come from the bottom of the ocean.
It’s derived from ancient bacteria-3 billion years old.
Dr Paul Watt: So it turns out that in evolution of ancient bacteria that have been around since the dawn of life are very very diverse in the types of protein they make. So we went to those ancient bacteria to create libraries of shapes or keys that are compatible with disease locks.

I wonder if Ken Harm ( wink ) was crook he’d go for this type of cure from scientists believing in Evolution ... or would he stick with the power of prayer.  LOL

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decrepitoldfool United States Posted on 10/26/2006 at 08:25 AM

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Using ancient bacteria from the bottom of the sea to treat human disease?  Blasphemy!  Everyone knows they just need to pray harder and read their Bibles.  And if they still die, doG works in mysterious ways.

It does sound like a good argument for preserving exotic ecosystems on land and sea. Instead of burning rain forest to grow sugar cane to make ethanol, maybe we ought to take care of that region.  Y’ never know what might come in handy later.

jadzia United States Posted on 12/02/2006 at 12:32 PM

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I live in Georgia and you find nutcases like this everywhere. The chase you around the Walmart parking lot until you are cornered or they catch you before you can lock yourself in your car.

They are allowed to stand on the corners of major intersections with microphones and yell out to everybody that we are going to hell no matter how much money we have or that we have nice cars and yadda-yadda-yadda. They would say that our money won’t get us into Heaven so we’d better repent right then and there. Religion gets shoved down your throat.

The only way to escape it is just to stay home but then they come to your door, and look in the windows if you don’t answer, walk around the house front and back to see if they can spot movement inside. I swear I’m not making this up. I tell you they are insane!

Rikki India Posted on 10/09/2007 at 03:16 AM

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what I specially resent is that “Creationism” presents the Christian theory as the only alternative to Evolutionary theory. Suppose, for a moment, that Evolutionism was wrong, how would that prove Creationism is right?: we would have roughly 5,000 theories to contend for the position.

elwedriddsche United States Posted on 10/09/2007 at 07:46 AM

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Suppose, for a moment, that Evolutionism was wrong, how would that prove Creationism is right?

You’re not the first one to make this point. I’ve yet to hear an answer to it from the creationist camp.

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