Girl sues to distribute religious fliers at elementary school.

Posted by GeekMom on Friday, October 29, 2004 at 09:43 AM. Read 1064 times. Tags: ,
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Now, this one is a stickler for me.  In this CNN article a mother and her daughter are suing to allow the girl to tell her fellow students about Jesus Christ:

The flier, about the size of a greeting card, starts out: “Hi! My name is Michaela and I would like to tell you about my life and how Jesus Christ gave me a new one.” The flier mentions five ways in which Jesus had come into her life.

“This is nothing less than viewpoint discrimination,” said Mat Staver, an attorney and executive director of Liberty Counsel, an Orlando, Florida-based conservative legal group that is representing Bloodgood.

According to the lawsuit, Liverpool officials said Michaela could not distribute it because her flier was religious and that there was “a substantial probability” that other parents and students might misunderstand and presume that the district was “endorsing” the religious statements in the flier.

At first glance, it seemed to me to be the right decision on the part of the school.  But then I thought:  should they allow her to wear a t-shirt to school that said “Ask Me About My Life With Jesus”?  Sure, that’s freedom of expression, just as students ought to be able to wear Kerry t-shirts. 

So what’s the difference?

It’s something about the fliers that bothers me.  I’d object to letting a student hand out fliers campaigning for any other religion.  Would I object to fliers addressing a political issue?  Again, probably not.  So what is it about the combination of religious proselytizing and the distribution of fliers that bugs me, that seems like more than a free speech issue?

If you can figure it out, please let me know. 

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Les United States Posted on 11/01/2004 at 01:50 PM

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It’s not beyond possibility that this undertaking is something the child did decide to do on her own. It’s not unheard of.

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GeekMom United States Posted on 11/01/2004 at 01:56 PM

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If a basic tenet of your religion is to try to bring as many people into it as possible, I can see why they’d want her to do it at school.  She’s probably being told that she’s saving her classmates.  She won’t understand that many nonbelievers see it as obnoxious.

shana Japan Posted on 11/01/2004 at 09:37 PM

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Yeah, I agree, GeekMom.  When I was still religious, I felt so miserably sad that my loved ones would go to hell.  It just didnt seem fair, and I felt that if I could just get them to see the light, then we could be together forever.  But this unfairness was also what eventually led me to renounce my faith.  We’ll still be together forever, it’s just that forever is a lot shorter than I thought it would be…

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decrepitoldfool United States Posted on 11/01/2004 at 10:23 PM

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We’ll still be together forever, it’s just that forever is a lot shorter than I thought it would be…

On the bright side, you can spend that time enjoying being with them instead of the distance that results from proselytizing.  grin

ellie United States Posted on 11/01/2004 at 10:36 PM

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If it’s short, is it still “forever?” & what does together actually mean?

John Hoke United States Posted on 11/02/2004 at 05:34 AM

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If it’s short, is it still “forever?� & what does together actually mean?

As a cancer survivor, I measured forever on a different scale before I was diagnosed, when I was ill, and after my operations.

When I was hospitalized, forever was the time between waking up from morphine induced sleep, about an hour.

Forever is whatever you make of it… as for ‘together’ I aint going near that one this early in the morning wink

shana Japan Posted on 11/02/2004 at 07:14 AM

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I should have said >one< of the things that made me renounce my faith…

Anyway, I mean that it’s forever for me.  I will be with them in one way or another until one of us dies.  And really, they will stay in my heart until I die, so my forever is until then.  I find it so frustrating that I won’t see what happens in the future.  The world is such a curious place!

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shana Japan Posted on 11/02/2004 at 07:16 AM

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Thanks, John!  Rock on surviving!

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GeekMom United States Posted on 11/02/2004 at 09:23 AM

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You go, John! 

The thing is, when the believers die, they won’t realize at the end that they’re wrong, because they won’t be there to know it.  And I won’t be there to taunt them, either.  Which I think is a lot better than the “Christians” imagining themselves peering down from heaven at the poor heathens writhing in eternal torment ...

ellie United States Posted on 11/02/2004 at 08:08 PM

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As I understand it, many people who don’t believe God loves them will continue as they are now, because to them, being with God wouldn’t be “paradise.” If one has spent this existence without acknowledging His existence, I don’t think He’ll deny them that choice if there is a next.  He makes this existence more joyful for me, and if I haven’t understood the next one, as GeekMom mentioned, I won’t be any the wiser.

I hope, I’ll be enjoying God so much that (even though I don’t understand it now because now it makes me very sad) I won’t feel sad over anyone who’s not there.

rolandog Mexico Posted on 11/05/2004 at 02:27 AM

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Ahh… Americans are SO indecisive. All the freedom of speech has allowed a perfect 50-50% for everything. Episode 408 “Chef goes Nanners” of Southpark is your solution. If you’d like to download it, mrtwig might be your best option (or if you like, I can set up a torrent for you to download).

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