Gallup Survey: Most Republicans Reject Theory Of Evolution

Posted by Michael Peacock on Tuesday, June 12, 2007 at 11:24 PM. Read 3128 times. Tags: , , , ,
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According to CBS News, a recent Gallup Survey shows that 68% of Republicans “Disbelieve Scientific Explanation of Creation”:

A Gallup poll released Monday said that while the country is about evenly split over whether the theory of evolution is true, Republicans disbelieve it by more than 2-to-1.

Republicans saying they don’t believe in evolution outnumbered those who do by 68 percent to 30 percent in the survey. Democrats believe in evolution by 57 percent to 40 percent, as do independents by a 61 percent to 37 percent margin.

As Jon Stewart might say, “Republicans, meet me at camera three”.

OK, Republicans, we understand that you’re devout.  We understand that you love God.  That’s simply beautiful, it really is.  Regardless of that, you have to stop cherry-picking the facts.  Evolution is a fact, just like some of those other facts that are somewhat less controversial, like Heliocentrism.  OK, this is less controversial now.  The church no longer arrests and executes people who believe that the sun is at the center of our solar system because there’s just simply such an abundance, a cornucopia if you will, of observational evidence, that no rational person would claim otherwise.

The same is true for the facts of evolution: That species emerge and change over very long periods of time.  That some species that used to exist, no longer exist.  Further, it is a fact that humans appeared relatively recently in the history of our world.

The facts are irrefutable.  They are written in the very bedrock of our planet.  They are there for everyone to see, everywhere: older species in strata below newer species.  Never an exception.  No human jawbones have ever been found in a Tyrannosaurus nest. No dinosaurs after 65 million years ago. No Australopithecenes after about 2 million years ago.  No homo sapiens before about 500,000 years ago. None.  Anywhere.

Now, while you can certainly take a religious position on the explanation of evolution, you cannot take a religious position on the existence of evolution.  In other words, you can certainly disagree with the leading scientific Theory of Evolution, which explains how such facts as we observe everywhere in the world came to be (and does so quite nicely, thank you very much), but you can only disagree with the facts of Evolution to the same extent that you can disagree with the fact that the sun is at the center of the solar system, or that Pasteurization helps preserve foods, or that DNA codes genetic information for all species on earth.

We need to remember that, as Stephen Jay Gould said, there’s a difference between a fact and a theory, and Evolution is both:

Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world’s data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts do not go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein’s theory of gravitation replaced Newton’s, but apples did not suspend themselves in mid-air, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from apelike ancestors whether they did so by Darwin’s proposed mechanism or by some other, yet to be discovered.

If you’re planning on rejecting the Theory of Evolution, you know, the scientific mechanism that Darwin proposed almost a century and a half ago, you have to follow the rules.  The rules are simple.  Come up with a better explanation for the Fact of Evolution.  Just make sure it doesn’t require anything beyond what we can expect from our normal, natural, very nonmagical world.

Crossposted from Smugbaldy.com

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decrepitoldfool United States Posted on 06/18/2007 at 06:13 AM

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You didn’t DOF, which is why I pointed that out.  The two words mean different things and are not interchangeable.

Once again, Consi, you’re splitting hairs.  True there is a paragraph division in which I first mentioned “gay marriage” as the issue and then in the next paragraph referred to that same issue as “lifetime partnership”. But you were distracted by this transition and dove off into a side argument to get out of the way of my original point. 

By using two different terms to describe the same social phenomenon, I meant to focus on the aspect of marriage as a package of legal partnership alluded to in a subsequent comment.  I think everyone else got it easily enough, so let me repost the original comment in language so very tedious that EVEN YOU can understand it:

the proper definition of homophobic

I think you’re onto something that is a source of miscommunication between people on both sides of the gay rights issue.  It seems likely to me that many people who oppose, for instance, gay marriage are saying to themselves; “But I’m not afraid of gays, I just...”

Ok, not afraid of gays, just of the effect they might have on society if we treated them like human beings and let them marry, which is a specific class of lifetime partnership containing many legal benefits.  On second thought it’s a distinction without a difference.  You could say such people are “homophobic” and refer to their concerns about homosexuality in law, family, society, whatever without necessarily implying they are pathologically afraid of specific homosexual individuals as one might be of snakes, spiders, or heights.  The word “fear” has several dimensions and can be used in different ways.  For instance, one could say; “I fear this restaurant serves unsafe food” and a visit to the kitchen would resolve the issue one way or another.  Just as visiting countries where gay marriage is legal, and seeing if society is truly undermined by the practice, quite resolves the fear that gay marriage would have those effects.  But it is homophobia all the same.

Boring.  I’m not writing computer code or legislation; I prefer to write in shorter, less convoluted form and hope the reader will manage to locate my main point anyway.  But you almost NEVER do, Consi. 

You can slice that up any way you want but as far as I am concerned, you’re homophobic.  You’ve proved it over and over in the most annoying way possible, while hiding behind an exasperating pedanticism.  But you’re like a fat man trying to hide behind a sapling.  It doesn’t work, and it’s just sad.

timmeh United States Posted on 06/18/2007 at 06:48 AM

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Marriage just a contract that two people sign that says we are going to stay together, and if we don’t this is how our shit gets split up. The gay marriage issue comes down to government telling people they can’t sign a certain legaly binding document, because they have diffrent beliefs than the social norm. The only way that two queers geting married could affect you is if you stick you’re nose in their business.

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Michael Peacock United States Posted on 06/18/2007 at 01:24 PM

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The two words mean different things and are not interchangeable.

Which two words are you talking about - Republican/Libertarian or Marriage/Partnership?  I agree that these pairs mean different things, as the following example demonstrates: “Rather than a marriage, Libertarians find themselves in an unholy partnership with a Republican party that many are looking to escape.

… A nutty combination that is the greatest thing in the world for a very select group of people.

Is there a point in there somewhere?

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Consigliere United States Posted on 06/18/2007 at 11:02 PM

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as far as I am concerned, you’re homophobic.

LMFAO!!

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zilch Austria Posted on 06/19/2007 at 05:03 AM

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In other news: If Science were a Crossword Puzzle.

Found via Pharyngula.

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timmeh United States Posted on 06/19/2007 at 06:12 AM

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I’m not looking to escape I voted for Badnarick in the last election. smile
The problem is that most people think they only have two choices for president. If more people voted what they really thought, and not for what they see as a winner, we could have a defacto parliment.

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decrepitoldfool United States Posted on 06/19/2007 at 09:16 AM

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Consi: “LMFAO!”

Happy to brighten your day, Consi cool smile

Allow me to translate my best understanding of your reply:  “Nuh-UH!!!  Not me!!!  I’m the best friend that gays ever had, except for fighting gay rights tooth and nail every step of the way” rolleyes

Or maybe you’re in favor of gay marriage, and you just have a really strange way of showing it?

Webs United States Posted on 06/19/2007 at 09:18 AM

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That crossword puzzle was genius!

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zilch Austria Posted on 06/19/2007 at 09:47 AM

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Or maybe you’re in favor of gay marriage, and you just have a really strange way of showing it?

It’s called “tough love”, dof.  As I’ve said before, consi’s attitude about homosexuality seems to be “what can’t be cured must be abjured”.

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Patness Canada Posted on 06/19/2007 at 04:11 PM

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I’ve given a lot of thought to Consi’s demeanor on most subjects. But when rob.adams came in and succintly described everything that Consi could not, I must say it was wonderous and revealing.

One possibility is that Consi really doesn’t know how to communicate (though he will defend his position ruthlessly), and so often remains in a position where his claims are compromised.

The other possibility is that Consi is deliberately fighting not to reveal his position, as it is this that allows him leverage in any argument - not to say that he is right or wrong, but merely to cede as little as possible to his opponent. In this, his profession is loudly pronounced, and I’m left wondering if this isn’t a sort of hobby for a man who loves his work. When he takes an argument as far as he can, he simply terminates it on his end, and moves on.

Neither of these say anything of Consi’s position, of course; just that he seems to like twisting tails for its own sake.

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decrepitoldfool United States Posted on 06/19/2007 at 04:31 PM

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The other possibility is that Consi is deliberately fighting not to reveal his position…

Yep, I think you nailed it.  Keeps his cards close to his chest.  Fine, until someone

When he takes an argument as far as he can, he simply terminates it on his end, and moves on.

calls his bluff.

Neither of these say anything of Consi’s position, of course; just that he seems to like twisting tails for its own sake.

If so, Consi is the world’s most sophisticated troll.  I give him more credit for sincerity than that, though I am not sure why I do.

Last_Hussar Great Britain (UK) Posted on 06/19/2007 at 07:48 PM

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Consi replied to me thus

Why does Consi always argue against them?

I don’t.  I have never written against partnerships on this site.

OK. Simple question. The appropriate legal juristriction for where you live (be it county state, Federal, whatever) holds a referendum on the following

“Do you agree that same sex couples should be able to make a legal contract of partnership identical to marriage that allows them all the same rights and restrictions as hetrosexual marriage?  YES/NO”

Which way do you vote?

(Oh and Consi- as this isn’t an actual law we are trying to make, go with the spirit of the motion, not any perceived legal weakness caused by me writing at nearly midnight.)

Me, I vote Yes.

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decrepitoldfool United States Posted on 06/19/2007 at 11:26 PM

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Be sure to add federal marriage benefits too - create a status identical to the whole package - only we call it something else.  LOL

Patness Canada Posted on 06/19/2007 at 11:33 PM

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Well, DOF, as far as calling Consi a troll, I think I disagree.

Trolls exist to muddle discussion, to distract it with tangential issues, yes. Consi can do that, and has in the past. They derive pleasure from what they do and I’ve no doubt that Consi does the same.

But trolls do not further the level of discourse. Consi raises apt questions (if not questions we’ve already been asked), and he keeps a watchful eye on very old discussions, working to keep them relevant for just that moment when one of us voices a double-standard.

In short, intellectual exercise has it’s own merit, and he typically (not always) invites us to participate in it, whereas trolls start flames for cheap thrills. Consi has consistently separated himself from trolldom in this regard.

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decrepitoldfool United States Posted on 06/19/2007 at 11:56 PM

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Not sure about the relevance of Consi’s observations.  He seems to have a talent for deliberately missing the point in favor of some minutia. Fortunately, most of us are able to communicate with one another perfectly well without requiring language that is perfected to Consi’s standards.

Now let me do my best Consi imitation: “Troll?  I never said Consi is a troll.  I merely said twisting tails for sport is the definition of trollery.” wink

Patness Canada Posted on 06/19/2007 at 11:57 PM

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“Troll?  I never said Consi is a troll.  I merely said twisting tails for sport is the definition of trollery.”

I laughed shrilly. Well spoken, DOF.

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timmeh United States Posted on 06/20/2007 at 06:08 AM

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I think we need a new term like orc, or hobgoblin to define this uber trollary.

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decrepitoldfool United States Posted on 06/20/2007 at 08:21 AM

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LOL Couldn’t be Orc… Orcs are definitely quantity over quality.  What was that giant spider that paralyzed Frodo called?  LOL

Webs United States Posted on 06/20/2007 at 10:05 AM

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That’s hilarious…

I typed in Google:

giant spider that paralyzed Frodo

And found: Shelob

Google images gives us this gem:
Giant Ass Spider

So here to forth trolls shall be known as… Shelobs

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zilch Austria Posted on 06/20/2007 at 10:17 AM

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That’s a Shelob to reckon with, Webs.

I must admit, however, (is this thread drift?) that Tolkien has always struck me as being rather tendentious in his depiction of nasties: wolves, spiders, reptiles, dark skins… Maybe it’s time for a more politically correct version of the Ring cycle, with the Hobbits and Elves being darkskinned, Smaug being a hippopotamus, and Shelob being a Dead White European Male.

Sorry- two beers at 36 C (90 F) will do that…

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Webs United States Posted on 06/20/2007 at 10:23 AM

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Sorry- two beers at 36 C (90 F) will do that…

Damn you Germans are crazy

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decrepitoldfool United States Posted on 06/20/2007 at 10:35 AM

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So here to forth trolls shall be known as… Shelobs

... only the sophisticated ones, spinning webs (not you, Webs) and paralyzing threads.  The more traditional trolls remain under their bridges, accosting travellers just to hear their reactions. wink

Shelobs are fearsome indeed!  All hail the mighty Shelob!  Trolls we can just ignore.  What were we talking about, again?

Zilch, was the beer 36C, or the weather?

timmeh United States Posted on 06/20/2007 at 10:37 AM

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I like it from here on I shall refer to the truly wise troll as Shelob.

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elwedriddsche United States Posted on 06/20/2007 at 10:39 AM

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DOF, I hope it was the beer.

A couple decades ago, German pubs had beer warmers. I don’t know who started this newfangled thing about chilled beer…

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decrepitoldfool United States Posted on 06/20/2007 at 10:43 AM

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Well, you know the old saying about why the British drink warm beer… “because they have Lucas refrigerators” But I can’t imagine why the Germans do.  Bosch makes reliable appliances.

(Note: not being a beer drinker, it’s all hypothetical to me as I am extrapolating from iced tea)

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