John

“The ability to judge is a good trait...this is what sets humans apart from the rest of the animal world”

Are you Dr. Doolittle? Have you spoken with the animals? If not, how do you know what animals are capable of mentally? If we’re allowed to assume, as you are doing, then I think I know two cats, a rattle snake and at least a half dozen ferrets who think you are smug, arrogant and far too wishy-washy for your own good. But they hesitate to judge others, and feel this human trait is all too often used to justify hate and violence.

“We have the ability to assess the relative merits of all things and then make an informed decision on that basis.”

Merits relative to who’s standards? Are you suggesting that everyone uses these talents for truth, justice and the American way? It seems to me Gods are therefore unnecessary. Laws are unnecessary. Differences of opinion can’t exist. I don’t have to live in fear of silly Christians trying to take my liberties away. My basic wish(which is to live in harmony with all life forms) just came true. Man, I feel better. Thanks, John. Say....you’re not that John the Baptist fella are you? Cause if you are, nice try! Go sell crazy some place else. We’re all stocked up here!

Let me start by stating that this is not a rebuttle, but a word to all you Christians out there.....arguing with atheists is senseless........
Everything in nature points to the existence of a Creator.  Photosynthesis, trees, plants, insects, the way ants store stuff up for winter, the fact that there are insects with such strange behaviours we as humans can’t even fully figure them out without years of study, the miracle of birth.....these all point to God. 

There is one thing that is a FACT about Atheists......they CHOOSE to believe that God does not exist!!!  The Bible says the following, which is very true...."The fool has said in his heart “There is no God"”.  Nobody that is born into this world actually believes for a second that there is no Supreme Being. 

I grew up in South America and we worked with primitive tribal groups.  There are NONE that do not believe in a Supreme Being......even the most primitive of the most primitive!!!! 

The thing that amazes me is that most atheists are really dogmatic about what they believe.  They make Atheism their religion and push it with a furvor like no others!  Harder than Christians get accused of pushing their beliefs!!  Now, that tells you something, doesn’t it?  It is because they have CHOSEN TO BELIEVE that their is no God and the only thing that keeps them in this state of mind is being active about it....they have to keep pushing to hold up the walls of their small world because there is nothing else that will hold them up.....if they let up for even a moment, the walls could fall in and then the unthinkable would happen....they would be accountable to a higher power and then they would lose control of their world...........

Also, think about this...if this is the natural conclusion that should be evident/obvious to all, why is it that there are not that many Atheists?  There aren’t that many, and the only reason you might think there are more than exist is that the very few are making a lot of noise to drown out truth. 

The true atheist to me would be the one that isn’t dogmatic or even very sure about what they believed and were really doing some real soul-searching.....thing is that since atheists make a CONSCIOUS DECISION to drown out God and ignore the fact that He exists, they never were able, nor are they able to seriously search out truth because the whole premise of their belief is a choice to NOT BELIEVE! 

That is why it is futile to argue with atheists....what i am doing now is not arguing with anyone, but telling you to not respond to Les if you don’t agree....WHY?  Because the Bible is very clear that atheists are atheists by choice, they are fools...they have decided to be atheists to not be accountable to God and that is as pathetic as one can get. 

So.....I don’t argue or even debate with atheists anymore since I found that they aren’t even open to normal, logical, debate....they have made a choice to ignore God and they really know He exists, but choose this path. 

All we can really do is pray for them that God will open the eyes of their heart and give them TRUE Peace, Joy, and meaning in life.  As for Les, may Jesus Christ find you and save you from your present state, as no amount of emails will do that.  And for those that get angry at Les, remember that “We wrestle not against flesh and blood (in other words, people like Les), but against principalities, powers, ..........).  Les, may God bless your life with truth above all else!  Peace!

Well that seals it then. Ants store food so they don’t starve during the winter, without god ants would starve. Because we can not reproduce photosynthesis then it is impossible that it could occur without god. Because men cannot understand a thing then there must be a god that does.

Do I CHOOSE not to believe in god? yes. But then I also chose to put on pants this morning, chose to listen to my MP3 player instead of the radio on the drive into work, which I chose to go to. You CHOOSE to believe in god, chose to post on this website your beliefs about atheists, and chose to hide behind your “I’m not arguing with anyone” explanation so you can throw mud with impunity.

Well I’m not arguing with you about your cheddar-headed belief in god because it is pointless to argue with the religious. They spend their lives as followers, followers of clerics, followers of archaic beliefs, and followers of unseen all powerful deities. Without any proof they doggedly state that they know the truth, yet are completely unable to provide even a scintilla of evidence. They say that opening your heart will let god speak to you like some peaceful trippy LSD experience. God, man...like wow. How can I prove he is real...look at a tree man. Can YOU make a tree? Dude. :drunk:

Yeah, I would never argue with a christian because I have found that they lack the ability to think for themselves, it is sad really. The most you can hope is that they eventually give up on their annoying penchant to sanctimoniously drone on about how deficient everyone else is. They are little more than human parrots so you can’t be too angry with them, they are just clever enough to repeat what they have heard. :ignore:

Mind you this is NOT being said to attack christians, perish the thought. I pity them really for their arrogance, so sure they are right, so smug. Please don’t respond to Nate, and don’t do anything as pointless as praying...just pat him on the head and tell him he is doing a good job or help him cut up his food when you see him next. =p

Peace Out!

Oh, and just so we are clear, that was an attack on Nate. I have christian friends and family members that somehow manage not to be rude, preachy assholes like Nate, and since I committed the sin of double dipping, I will now go sit in the corner in my pointy hat.

Hey Nate, bite me. :finger:

Your comment isn’t even worth trying to argue with.

Hey Nate

Did you show the primitive tribal dudes the �stick that shoots fire� (a match) or the �box that voices come out of� (a radio)?  If you did, you could probably convince them that you are God!  I could hear the dudes now:

Primitive Tribal Dude #1:  Yo man, did you see that stick that shoots fire that cat Nate showed us?

Primitive Tribal Dude #2: Bro� that�s nothing�did you see the box with the voices coming out of it?  How did he do that?

Primitive Tribal Dude #1:  Beats the crap out of me�that Nate dude must be God!

Of course it wouldn�t really sound like that.  It would be a series of clicks or chants like boom-diddly-a, click, cluck, boom-diddly-a, click, boom-diddly-a, boom-diddly-a.

Hey Bwana�I mean Nate, why do you guys always go to convert primitive tribal dudes?  Ain�t there enough heathens locally?  Seems to be no sport to it old chap.

That has to be the single most politically incorrect response anyone’s ever left on my site, MB.

*sniff!* I’m so proud!

And I know the answer as to why the Missionaries put so much effort into converting primitive tribes: Because they’re less likely to argue with them about God.

Exactly!...after the missionaries show them the “wagon that moves without an ox” (a car) and the “magical torch that illuminates the night” (a flashlight), the primitive tribal dudes are through!!!

Let them try that method in South Central LA or on R Street in DC!  “Call 911, a missionary has been murdered!!!”

I guess you didn’t see Brock’s post from yesterday(on the Pope/Gay thing) that demonstrates his racist, politically incorrect views...why can’t we all just get along?!?!

Mostly to Mild Bill (again)
You know what? I can recognize some of your put downs a mile away. When you smiley face from one side of your mouth while tsk tsking with the other it isn�t difficult to see. I often witness the irony, the sarcasm and the tongue-in-cheek intent of some of your posts and I see the smugness, the mean spiritedness, and the derision of some of your posts, as well. I didn�t play the race card; you did silly, in anther post at the site. When I said, �I already have a black friend� I was attempting to illustrate the type of humor you use. If you dish it out, ya gotta be able to take it! Besides how do you justify the �Primitive Tribal Dudes� references you made suggesting they are somehow less sophisticated and easily fooled? Because you are black too?  Then you more than others should see the unfairness of that.
You often liken someone you are addressing to someone famous (or infamous in your mind) as though to rob him or her of status as an individual with considered, experienced points of view. By doing so you take the lazy approach to enlightenment. What if they don�t know anything about the person you are comparing them to? Then it becomes a wasted effort on your part or possibly a not so private joke at their expense.
I lost further respect for your methods when you apparently attempted to have Les bring me down a notch by saying “Les...can you critique the last few messages? Especially the comments made by Nancy Pelosi..er..I mean..Brock and “Child “ Bill?” (See “Can’t find WOMD, but we did find Saddam’s sons.") If Les tells me my opinions are counter productive to the site’s intent, I will attempt to edit my opinions, but I can’t respect your wanting him to fight your battles for you or your hopes that he will condemn me.
I am insulted by your calling me “racist” and “politically incorrect”. I don’t care if you are black, white, or purple. Your words are what I respond to. “Are you following me? I’ll type slower"(see “Over 300 Proofs of the existence of God!!!!!!") See how your so-called humor is manifested? Mild Bill, if you want to insult me just say, “Brock, I don’t think you can keep up with my brilliant mind.” No matter how it’s phrased, a put down is a put down. You aren’t always as clever or as humorous as you seem to think, but then neither am I. Sometimes the benign, simply humorous intent of a person’s statements aren’t recognized as such. I’ll admit I’ve misinterpreted you at times. I had a problem appreciating you early on and some of your earlier statements still “color” my perception of you. I’ll attempt to work on reading you correctly. But I won’t agree with everything you say or fail to notify you when I feel I’ve been challenged. Again it has nothing to do with ethnicity...it’s a human-to-human thing.
Oh, and the post I made was in “Over 300 Proofs...” not in the “Pope/Gay thing” (Pope calls Gay marriages “evil”...) entry. How is someone going to hate me if he or she can’t even find the post?
I love humor and use it often (or at least I try to). The biggest problem with humor though is that it often victimizes someone. I don’t feel guilty using Bush as the butt of my jokes. He deserves many more humorous put downs than I’m able to come up with. But if I use someone on here as the fodder for my well-intended humor, I know I run the risk of being seen as malicious. That’s why I tend to just spell out what I think of someone’s viewpoint instead of using humor to belittle him or her. Plus I’m more apt to use humor against myself. (For an embarrassing example see “Spanking the monkey not only feels good, it’s good for you.” The fictitious story I wrote made me look perverted, but I at least got a chuckle out of it.)
Maybe Les is right after all. My posts seem to have picked up since I’ve had you to fight with. But that isn’t necessarily a good thing. I have no idea how others are taking our conversations, but I’m beginning to feel less than perfect due to some of them.

OK, now those smiley face God Icons have shown up in my post above, even though I didn’t summon them. Is this a sign of devine intervention? Wow, what more appropiate place than this site for a Smiley Face God to manifest a miracle...? Les, I hope you have the appropiate bandwidth to host a large gathering of believers.

Hey Brock,
I think you should teach a college course. I think you should call it “ How to use humor without looking like a total prick!”. You could offer it to ex-airforce personnel! Not that I’m talking about anyone in particular. WINK WINK HINT HINT

Yeah that’s a good idea Jay...I agree that some of those ex-military pukes are...hey...wait a minute!!! Are you talking about me!!!

Brock

I believe these personal attacks should be curtailed in favor of discussions on the posted topics.  This page is about some nimrod named Frank Turner, not about us!  Clearly you think I am a heartless, mindless, warmongering, blah, blah, blah, and I would never invite you over to my house to have sex with my sister.  I don�t HAVE a sister, but if I did, your name would not be on the short list of guys I would approve to have sex with her.  I considered asking my Mom to �give� me a sister just so I could deny you sex with her!  That to me is totally irrational�hell...it might be a boy!

I know what you�re thinking, �Hey Mild Bill, ya Jerk, I wouldn�t want to have sex with your sister!� What, is my sister not good enough for you?  Are you too good to pleasure my non-existent sister?  What an elitist!

In the interest of fairness, I think we should both be allowed one last jab at each other�here�s mine:

Whenever I read your postings, in my head, I hear the whiniest, �nasaliest� voice imaginable!  It sounds sort of like this, �M-iiiillldddd B-iiiiiiiiii-lllllllll, yooooouu are a jeereerrrk!� Kind of like those characters on SNL the Weiners (hope I got that one right).

There�it is done (note how I used the proper form it is and not the contraction it�s�it sounds more solemn that way�like in the Bible).

From hence forth, I, Mild Bill, shall address Brock�s comments with the utmost respect and thoughtfulness.  I shall begin all replies to his postings as follows:

�Brock, I really appreciate your feedback and you have some great ideas��

Even if Brock does not agree to these terms, I shall do so unilaterally for the good of the nation.

So say I on this Eighth Day of August Two Thousand and Three.

Thanks for the suggestion, Sheriff Jay. *Grin* Perhaps I’ll look into that course idea. I might begin by teaching them how to be humorous on purpose.
I appreciate MB’s desire to be more civil, though his insincerity will likely be more obvious than before. I appreciate also that he is eager to pimp family members and must admit my regret that I probably won’t be given an equal opportunity to score. As for him not having a sister, all I can suggest is that he and his mother keep trying�. Shame on you MB, I just meant that you should continue requesting one and she should be willing to keep trying for one. Modern medicine can increase her chances of being successful. I was inspired to make this joke due to your statement �I considered asking my Mom to �give� me a sister just so I could deny you sex with her!� ( See Mild Bill, I’m learning how to utilize that belittling humor you value so much. Thanks. )
Returning to the entry topic though, I feel that certain narrow viewpoints are expressed frequently on the �public� airwaves and this type of aberration will likely increase due to the FCC’s recent rulings to lessen restrictions on station ownership. Who is the head of the FCC? Colin Powell’s son Michael Powell. What political party owns a majority of the commissioners? Yep, the republicans. Interestingly, this issue surfaced again and it makes me laugh, though I’m not entirely certain why. See the FCC�s web site http://www.fcc.gov/.
Last August WNEW-FM in New York ran an Opie & Anthony show which allegedly contained a broadcast of sexual activity at St. Patrick�s Cathedral as part of an on-air stunt.  The Federal Communications Commission (FCC) received numerous outraged e-mails and phone calls complaining that this broadcast violated a federal law against indecent programming.
Copps continued: �I wonder when the FCC will finally take a firm stand against the �race to the bottom� as stations continue to push the envelope of outrageousness even further.� Recently, the FCC proposed a mere $27,500 fine against another station owned by this same company � on WKRK-FM in Detroit � after it aired some of the most vulgar and disgusting indecency that the Commission has examined.

I guess as long as stuff like this takes place between a Catholic priest and an alter boy in a back room of the church and the Catholic church is unlikely to allow it to be broadcast live, there is no point in getting angry over the real thing; we should instead feel righteously angry of satire.

Michael J. Copps (one of the two democrats on the commission) stated: �Nothing has changed over the past year in the FCC�s enforcement of the indecency laws. And at the same time, the Commission�s actions have ensured that things will get even worse.� Instead of enforcing indecency laws, the FCC recently rewarded giant station owners by dismantling the FCC�s media concentration protections.  The FCC took this action without even considering whether there is a link between increasing media consolidation and increasing indecency on our airwaves.  Copps explained: �It stands to reason that as media conglomerates grow ever bigger and control moves further away from the local community, community standards go by the boards. It is a time to increase, not diminish, our vigilance and our enforcement of the law.� Copps concluded: �The time has come for the Commission to send a message that it is serious about enforcing the indecency laws.  Yet, we continue to turn a deaf ear to the millions of Americans who are fed up with the patently offensive programming coming their way so much of the time.�

Indecency is a matter of opinion, obviously. I feel that much of today�s religious programming is indecent and realize that some community�s standards encourage its frequency, so I don�t think giant station owners are the only ones using the airwaves they control offensively. Still, the smaller the markets the better my chances of locating and living in the community with standards and markets that don�t annoy me as much.

�Brock, I really appreciate your feedback and you have some great ideas�

Seriously, I think there is a little bit of a difference between the maniacal ravings of the evangelicals and the conduct of these radio shock jocks.  I don�t find the �fundies� as much offensive as just loonies.  Well�strike that�I do find them offensive, but in a different way.  I heard one the other day ranting (I mean hardcore, fire and brimstone ranting) about the numerous ways to get to Hell (or heyyyy-yyellll as he pronounced it).  These included listening to Christian Rock, smoking cigarettes, and that old favorite�liquor.  It was actually quite funny because the station cut him off in mid-rant and broke to the announcer.

The announcer (in an ever-so-serene voice, accompanied by organ music) said:

�That was Brother �Cleatus� from the �Bugtussle� Baptist Church with words of inspiration��

�very inspiring!  With these fundies, I think the best thing we can do is let them continue with their inane rants so people can hear their true beliefs.  I didn�t start having negative feelings about �Christians� until I really started listening to what they were about.  Sort of the same as Les turning from the Bible after he actually read it!

These radio shock jocks though are acting like teenagers who have just seen their first condom!  I use to listen to/watch Howard Stern, but it seems his current show is nothing more than adolescent sexual antics.  It�s funny a couple times, but, �can I see your tits� really isn�t that funny after the 1,322nd time.

I do not think representations of sexual activity should fly over the airwaves.  Cable�no problem, but not the radio.  I would default to trying not to offend people whenever possible in that regard.  Would you feel comfortable driving down the road with your daughter listening to actual or simulated sounds of sexual passion coming through the speakers? 

Am I reading your position correctly�you are in favor of the FCC censoring radio stations???  What does the Catholic priest sex scandal have to do with the FCC?

Les I can�t believe you haven�t picked up on this story:

Boston Archdiocese Offers $55M Settlement
http://apnews.excite.com/article/20030808/D7SQ32E82.html

I help support this kid in Sri Lanka for $300 a year.  Let�s see 55,000,000 divided by 300 is�well, I could support the one kid for 183,000 years or 183,000 kids for one year.  I guess the Catholics think the well being of a few hundred pedophile priests is worth the trade off.  Can you imagine people going to Catholic services shelling out cash to pay for this crap!  It�s enough to make you scream!

Hadn’t seen that news article yet. Been busy today. I’ll take a look and possibly bitch about it soon.

I’m against the FCC’s June 2nd 2003 sweeping deregulation of rules regarding media ownership of television and radio stations and newspapers, thereby allowing individuals to create monopolies. They are thus able to be the primary voices of the airwaves and poorly challenged disseminators of potential propaganda.
The Project for Excellence in Journalism found “...regulatory changes that encourage heavy concentration of ownership in local television by a few large corporations will erode the quality of news Americans receive.”
The website http://www.mediareform.net is offering a petition that will be presented to Congress shortly before their hearings get under way, in September 2003, considering rolling back the FCC’s actions. I hope interested parties will visit the site and sign the petition.
The text of the petition reads as follows:
“We, the undersigned, call on Congress to overturn the Federal Communication Commission’s relaxation of media ownership rules that was passed by a 3-2 vote on June 2, 2003.
A self-governing and free society requires an open, fair, and representative media system with the widest possible dissemination of diverse, local, and independent information and ideas. These are values we hold to be central to our democracy.
The new media ownership rules handed down by the FCC are in clear violation of these values. American citizens from across the political spectrum have spoken out against them with a unified voice. The FCC review that produced the new rules ignored informed public input and used skewed studies to justify trading public service for private profit.
Whether Congress legislates to overturn the new FCC rules, passes a resolution nullifying the FCC action, or votes for a spending bill that accomplishes the same result, we demand a total rollback of the June 2 rule change.”
At the very least, the site is an informative one.
Good question Mild Bill, but read my earlier post again. The reference concerned an alleged broadcast on the Opie and Anthony show of sexual activity in St. Patrick’s Cathedral as part of an on air stunt.
One year later the FCC has yet to uphold federal laws and fine the station that aired the show for indecent programming, but I question if the majority on the FCC who voted for relaxed regulations (3 republicans for, 2 democrats against) are showing a conflict of interest. After all one of their stated reasons for wanting to modify the caps is to better encourage higher quality in broadcasting. 

Oh oh, we are digressing again...Frank who?

OK, I still don’t see the correlation you are going for.  What does fining the Opie and Anthony show have to do with deregulation or pedophile priests?  From my understanding, the station was not fined because the show was canceled and “Beavis and Butthead” were fired.  Here’s a link to an old CNN article.

http://www.cnn.com/2002/SHOWBIZ/News/08/22/radio.church.sex/

That station apparently is owned by VIACOM, a very large corporation; that didn’t appear to hinder �freedom of speech�.  I believe that fines are imposed to punish the stations and prevent future occurrences of violations, do you agree?  Well since the station canceled the show, inarguably there will be no future violations (by those guys anyway).

I do not believe that �concentrated media ownership� alone will lead to a slew of �right wing driven propaganda�, as you suggested (or I inferred).  There are also market factors that play prominently into the equation.  If people believe a station is spouting crap, people will decide not to listen to it.  When people stop listening, revenues fall.  When revenues fall, the crap-spouters stop spouting crap or go out of business.  That appears to be the case with the WNEW; the people decided what was objectionable�not the FCC.

Government interference and regulations are not the answer to most things, though they sound wonderful and are probably well-intentioned.  Look at the Telecommunications Act of 1996.  It was implemented to increase competition, by allowing more companies to participate and lower prices for consumers.  It did the exact opposite; my cable bill is 33% higher than in 1996 (from $29.95 to $39.95) and there are fewer cable companies now.  I say let market forces take care of the markets, with limited government intervention.  Of course that term �limited government intervention� is quite nebulous!

I for one believe in God! So hate me now. I can’t believe half the crap you post on your stupid website about a GREAT man, Frank Turner. If anything your just a jealous loser who has time to make a stupid website like this to treat people like crap. Tell me this: Did Frank Turner ever do anything bad personally to you? Let me answer that one for you, NO! He’s a great man, but not perfect. He used to be a loser like you a couple of years ago, but changed. You know how he changed? GOD! That’s how, people praying for him. Prayer does work, but those with little *Faith* praying are not going to get anywhere with it. You choose to not believe in God. How can you be so blind? Honestly, I think that is the most stupid thing I have ever heard. Where do you think everything here came from? Explosions? haha yea right! That Evolution crap is the craziest stuff I have ever heard. Yeah, a bunch of explosions happened, and well we’re all here now! Yeah....that’s right, everything happened exactly right for human life. Doesn’t make sense. There’s some proof you’ve been looking for. There had to be a God to make you and I. Look at the animals, grass, and trees. Can you make those? I think not! Your a loser, have fun living in the sin your committing. Remember this: you can only be happy with God. I can tell your not a happy man, no part of you. You want the truth? Here it is: Your going to Hell. Obviously, your not a Christian and your not saved so accept the facts. Start living for God today, and become a Christian then you can go to heaven. Right now though, sorry buddy but your going to Hell. Not even you can take the pain, heat, and toture.

Les your a LOSER, and guess what? Your going to hell, so face the facts and get your act together.

Yeah, Frank Turner is a regular George Washington, a real Mohandas Ghandi, a true Jesus Christ. Pull your head out of your ass for a second and open your eyes...he is a news caster. Maybe to a simpering idiot such as yourself all it takes to be great is to be on TV (Britney Spears for president!) and I don’t think that makes you a WINNER. Your regurgitation of standard religious misinformation shows your poor grasp of science and your willing complicity in keeping yourself in the dark. You want to think you are special and god tells you that you are, therefore everyone else is wrong if they disagree with Renee or her invisible buddy god.

Did Les upset you because he made you think for a second? Scary wasn’t it? That’s okay, pull the covers back up over your head and go back to sleep. It was all just a bad dream.

I for one believe in God! So hate me now.

If you insist, though you haven’t really given me good reason to hate you yet. You seem to be implying that I automatically hate anyone who believes in God, which is not the case. You believe in God, good for you. You’re in good company. Several of my close friends and even my wife believe in God. I don’t hate them for it. I may not agree with their belief in a magical wish granting old guy in the sky, I may even consider them somewhat foolish for such a belief, but I don’t hate them for it. Not like I’m not foolish about other lesser topics.

I can�t believe half the crap you post on your stupid website about a GREAT man, Frank Turner.

You make it sound like I’ve set out to tarnish Frank’s image or something. I was just bitching about him preaching at me when all I wanted was for him to deliver the news. This is one page out of over 1,000 pages on my site, the rest of which have nothing to do with Frank Turner. I don’t care how great Frank Turner may or may not be. I just want him to stop preaching to me during the evening newscast.

If anything your just a jealous loser who has time to make a stupid website like this to treat people like crap.

Wow, it’s amazing how well you seem to know me based on the info contained on one entry from my website. I’m jealous of Frank Turner? In what way? I don’t have any desire to be a newscaster, I don’t know enough about how much money he earns to desire a similar paycheck, I don’t know where he lives to wish I had his house, I don’t know anything about his social life to wish I had his friends so just how am I jealous of him?

As for being a loser, well, I suppose that depends on your definition of loser. I certainly haven’t lived up to my full potential, but then I’ve never had a desire to work that hard. I could probably do better, but I’m not upset by where I am in life. If happiness is a determination of success then I’d say I’ve been pretty successful so far.

Tell me this: Did Frank Turner ever do anything bad personally to you? Let me answer that one for you, NO!

Now you seem to know if I’ve ever interacted with Frank Turner. You must be Miss Cleo.

He�s a great man, but not perfect. He used to be a loser like you a couple of years ago, but changed.

From what I’ve been told Frank has never been like me. If I believe some of the comments on this page he was much worse off than I have ever been. Good to hear he’s straightened himself out.

You know how he changed? GOD! That�s how, people praying for him.

People have been praying for me for years, but no change yet. Maybe you could explain why people praying for Frank worked, but people praying for me hasn’t. Perhaps God just doesn’t love me.

Prayer does work, but those with little *Faith* praying are not going to get anywhere with it.

Now you seem to be fully aware of my past and how much faith I may or may not have had. At one time I had lots of faith and was a devout Baptist, but you wouldn’t know that as you’ve only read this one page. You’ve determined from what little info is here that I must have had only a little faith if any at all. Awfully arrogant of you.

You choose to not believe in God. How can you be so blind? Honestly, I think that is the most stupid thing I have ever heard.

I could ask the same of you. How could you be so blind as to think something like God could possibly exist? I think the idea of a being capable of creating something from nothing merely by wishing it so is the most stupid thing I’ve ever heard of.

Where do you think everything here came from? Explosions? haha yea right!  That Evolution crap is the craziest stuff I have ever heard. Yeah, a bunch of explosions happened, and well we�re all here now!

Thank you for demonstrating why our kids score so pathetically low on basic science tests these days. That has to be the single worst mangling of two different theories I’ve ever seen. If ignorance is bliss, you must be damn close to heaven.

Yeah�.that�s right, everything happened exactly right for human life. Doesn�t make sense.

In a Universe this size the odds become pretty good it had to happen someplace. In fact, given what we know about life these days and its ability to survive in all manner of environments that at one time were considered incapable of supporting life, the odds are that it has occurred many times over on other planets. It’s not as improbable as you seem to think. Obviously, because we’re here.

There�s some proof you�ve been looking for. There had to be a God to make you and I.

Just because you have a bad concept of how unlikely life is doesn’t prove that God exists. You may not be able to imagine how life is possible without God, but that’s not proof of his existence.

Look at the animals, grass, and trees. Can you make those? I think not!

My inability to create animals, grass and trees isn’t proof of God either. It just proves that I’m not capable of making them myself.

Your a loser, have fun living in the sin your committing.

Thanks. I will.

Remember this: you can only be happy with God. I can tell your not a happy man, no part of you.

I’m not a happy man? How do you know from just a single page on my website? You haven’t met me personally so how could you say how happy I may or may not be? Several folks who know me in real life do post on here and I think they would tell you that I seem to be pretty happy in general.

Is your statement something you believe is true or just something you wish were true?

You want the truth? Here it is: Your going to Hell.

Oh no! Whatever will I do? **commence shaking in my boots**

Obviously, your not a Christian and your not saved so accept the facts.

Obviously I am indeed not a Christian, or at least I’m not any longer. Though I was at one time and I was “saved” during that period. Apparently you are unaware of what the facts actually are.

Start living for God today, and become a Christian then you can go to heaven. Right now though, sorry buddy but your going to Hell. Not even you can take the pain, heat, and toture.

If Heaven is full of sanctimonious, self-righteous, pompous, holier-than-thou, overblown assholes such as yourself then I think I’d actually prefer going to Hell. Sure the pain and torture might be unbearable, but it can’t be any worse than listening to you spout off all day long.

Les your a LOSER, and guess what? Your going to hell, so face the facts and get your act together.

What? You forget to add that bit in on the previous comment? You sure do know how to make a compelling argument, though. Why with such a great example of what a good Christian is like I think I’ll sign up to become one today. You stand as a shining example of the teachings of Christ and I’m sure he’ll have a special place prepared for you once you get run over by a bus or something.

Defending our God is what we do, like Renee said we’re not pefect. So excuse us if we do it sometimes in the wrong way, but you are a little too harsh on Frank Turner. I know theirs a better guy than you are right now somewhere in you. I’ll keep praying for you even though you wouldn’t approve. As a side note, you might want to change the subject about God and Christians because it can cause way to much conflict. God Bless,
Rebecca

I don’t want to be a part of this website any longer, so it would be a waste of your own time responding to this reply because I will not look at this website any more. I know that I am right in what I say, and if you choose to not believe me then you are at your own loss. I’m not the one who has a eternity in danger. I agree with what Rebecca said about us and defending our God, I’m sorry if I had offended you while in the process of defending him. I was only mad at what you were saying about him. Frankly, because I believe in God with all my heart. Also, I did not like what you were saying about Frank Turner because he is not here right now to defend his own self. So these topics to stop, because they cause way too much conflict among people. May God Bless you all in the ways that are needed,
Renee