Florida legislators OK opening fire on criminals.

Posted by Les on Thursday, April 07, 2005 at 12:21 PM. Read 1836 times. Tags: ,
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Just when I think the politicians down in Florida can’t get anymore insane than they already are they prove me wrong by passing legislation that allows people to open fire whenever they see a threat.

MIAMI (AFP) - Florida’s legislature has approved a bill that would give residents the right to open fire against anyone they perceive as a threat in public, instead of having to try to avoid a conflict as under prevailing law.

Outraged opponents say the law will encourage Floridians to open fire first and ask questions later, fostering a sort of statewide Wild West shootout mentality. Supporters argue that criminals will think twice if they believe they are likely to be promptly shot when they assault someone.

Republican Governor Jeb Bush, who has said he plans to sign the bill, says it is “a good, commonsense, anti-crime issue.”

Current state law allows residents to “shoot to kill if their property, such as their home or car, is invaded by an unknown assailant.”

But it also states that if a resident is confronted or threatened in a public place, he or she must first try to avoid the confrontation or flee before taking any violent step in self defense against an assailant.

I haven’t seen the full text of the law yet so it’s hard to say just what the legal definition of a “threat” is, but given the fact that I tend to intimidate people with my shaved head and Amish biker beard I think I’ll have to make up some t-shirts for my next visit to Florida that say “Please don’t shoot me. I’m not a terrorist. I’m just a tourist and I mean you no harm.”

Not surprisingly the bill was backed by the NRA and passed easily in both Republican controlled houses. I guess those jokes about how the Florida heat will affect your brain are true after all.

Thanks to JPV for emailing me the news item.

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Ragman United States Posted on 05/27/2005 at 09:04 AM

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dof, I totally agree with you about the gun license deal.  I think it would help with firearm training, background checks, hunting licenses, etc.  In the mid 1980’s in Louisisana, they made a hunting license requirement of taking a hunter safety education course.  I just think that training should be mandatory for all gun owners.  Hell, we all have to take a test to get a driver’s license.  (and I think driver’s ed should be mandatory, too)

If any conspiracy buff thinks that a general gun license would make it easy for the govt to track your guns, they could already do it through background checks when you purchase guns, and through hunting licenses if they wanted to.

On the home invasion defintion, I was going off how the term is used in the media.  I remember it being used when groups would push their way into houses.  The definition you found is likely more correct, I just don’t recall hearing about one or two burglars sneaking into an occupied house while the owners slept as a home invasion, hence I differentiate them in my mind.

Sorry about replying so late, but I was busy putting over a thousand miles on my bike making the holy geek pilgrimage to Roswell.

SETKBS United States Posted on 06/06/2005 at 10:15 PM

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Justice writes: “ ..I feel we should have the right to own weapons within reason..�

SteveR:
Please define what ‘reason’ is.

Justice: “..but the NRA generally supports arming people with weapons and ammunition that are completely unnecessary if not insane, such as machine guns and bullets capable of penetrating bullet-proof vests..�

SteveR:
Again, who gets to define ‘unnecessary and insane’? The last time I checked, the only private citizens allowed to own fully automatic weapons were people with Federal Firearms Licenses.

You and I could not legally own a fully automatic weapon

,nor, IMO , should we be able to. (This is where I personally draw the line) Just about ANY centerfire rifle bullet will easily penetrate a bullet-proof vest - therefore, a lot of hunters stand to lose their guns if you had your way. ( I don’t think they would want you to be the one defining ‘within reason’)

Where did you get that information SteveR?

Since 1934 (yes, 1934) most anyone without a criminal record can own a fully automatic machine gun.  All that is required is a background check, sign off by your local Sheriff and payment of a $200.00 fee for a full auto tax stamp from the BATF.

It is also legal to own silencers with the payment of the $200 tax stamp fee to BATF.

There has never been a legally licensed full auto weapon used in committing a crime since 1934 when the law/tax was enacted.

And yes, full auto weapons are fun to shoot at targets and plastic water bottles and pop cans.

Some good reading on gun control/homicides/school shootings/concealed weapons etc is at http://www.justfacts.com

We are living in sad times.  When I was growing up in the 50’s and 60’s we never locked our cars or houses.  Guns weren’t locked up either and us kids could take rifles and pistols out shooting… and there was none of this “crazy” crap going on then that there is now of kids shooting others in schools etc.

Lots of is is from lack of respect for each other I think.  Seems as if some of our good moral values have disappeared from society :(

Ken

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