eSkeptic Finds Anti-Science Agenda At Creationist Museum

Posted by Michael Peacock on Wednesday, May 23, 2007 at 07:54 PM. Read 2217 times. Tags: , , ,
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In today’s issue of the eSkeptic, Stephen Asma reviews New Creation Museum that recently opened in Kentucky.  If you recall, I wrote a bit about this museum a while back, and at the time I thought that the most interesting thing would be how they managed to deal with dinosaurs.

It turns out that explaining how dinosaurs might have thrived in an alternate universe populated with magical arks that floated safely over the world-wide-wet with the rest of the animal kingdom involves a degree of mental gymnastics that would make any self-respecting schizophrenic cringe at its implausibility.  According to Ken A. Ham, the director of the new Creation Museum in Kentucky:

“We don’t know for sure, but from a biblical perspective we know that all animals were originally herbivores.” (Carnivore activity only happens as a result of the Fall — animals did not experience death before Adam’s sin.) “So it is possible that carnivores [including carnivorous dinosaurs] ate plants and grains while they lived on the ark. Even today we know that grizzly bears eat grass and vegetation primarily, so it’s not true that an animal with sharp teeth and claws must eat meat or must be a carnivore. At the very least, the carnivores could survive on vegetation for a significant time span.”

Um ... sure.  Let’s not even start with how idiotic that is from a scientific perspective.  It doesn’t even make good sense from a biblical perspective.  Apparently, they want us to believe that about 4500 years ago, Noah was not only able to get two of every kind of animal on the ark, but that the menagerie also included dinosaurs.  On top of that, all the carnivores ate sticks and berries because they weren’t yet carnivores.  In my bible this detail of the time line is pretty clear:  The fall of man came before Noah.  So if the fall precipitated the conversion of all carnivores from a blissful life of veganism, then it clearly occurred prior to the mythic flood.

Aside from such foolishness, Professor Asma detects a recurring theme at the museum:  That sciences like geology and evolution that favor an “old-earth” worldview make the average person feel small and insignificant, which naturally results in all the social ills that we see today.

It’s one thing to be ignorant of science.  It’s quite another to look at scientific evidence and the scientific method and claim that they’re evil.  If you’re a blind-faither, however, evil is what other people do. 

If you ask me, I think it’s likely that this well-funded museum will get get a decent amount of press, and that people large and small will marvel at how nice the dinosaurs were before we started all that thinking for ourselves crap.

While there’s no report on this, I hope there’s carrousel music playing in the background of this museum.  Stupid people need something with which to fill their empty little heads.

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Patness Canada Posted on 05/25/2007 at 12:12 AM

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Y’know, DOF, I’m in a set of religious studies courses right now, and I still can’t see how people can believe that crap. Literal interpretations of any of the books boggles even my prof (who I consider kinda out-there). Liberal interpretations, on the other hand, are merely a matter of principle - they exist because what was desired in religion, or important, has baggage attached.

Which, in a way, is kinda sad. Even for the most negotiable among the religious I know, it gives them a sense of community. Strange that so many people can be so close together at all times, and still feel isolated.

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zilch Austria Posted on 05/25/2007 at 05:38 AM

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I’m partial to brunettes of both sexes.

And I’m partial to women of all hair colors.  Although there’s a really cute Turkish guy at the local döner place…

We are trying to be funny, but we can’t beat the fundies.  Recently, I was debating about the order of Creation in Genesis.  The Bible says that grasses and trees were created, on land, on the third day, and life in the water on the fifth day.  When I pointed out that this didn’t jibe with science, the Bible student replied: “there’s nothing in the Bible that prohibited the Creation of life in the water before the fifth day”.

Nothing to prohibit extranumerary sons of Noah, paddling kangaroos, wizards, or demon-possessed dinosaurs either.  Whoopdidoo!

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zilch Austria Posted on 05/25/2007 at 06:25 AM

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If double-dipping is a sin, I’m hellbound for sure…

In case any of you are still unfamiiar with the delightful wackiness of Jim Pinkoski, who brought us fallen angels astride maddened dinosaurs attacking the Ark, check out this treasure trove of his artwork here.  My personal favorite is Jesus bringing His Message to sinless aliens.  Worldclass silliness.

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Last_Hussar Great Britain (UK) Posted on 05/25/2007 at 06:34 AM

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I’m partial to brunettes of both sexes.

Oh bugger- I’m a blond. A dirty blond though. Play your cards right (i.e have anything better than a 2) and I can be a very dirty blond.

But seriously folks, remember sex isn’t the answer. “Sex?” is the question. “Yes!” is the answer. (They say men think about sex once every 12 seconds.  I find this hard to believe- what are they- Eunuchs?)

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Bog Brother United States Posted on 05/25/2007 at 07:47 AM

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Holee crap!  This one is great: Giants in the Earth

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timmeh United States Posted on 05/25/2007 at 09:38 AM

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I think I figured it all out. God is a prick (not unlike myself) that likes to screw with people. So he, she, it, created the bible as a way to fuck with people( like I would do) about what is right. Then you throw in some things that don’t make sense, like fossils, to really mess people up (once again same thing I would do) about history. See there you have it god is an asshole just like me, so I must be god like. To think every one said my online ordination was bullshit and I’m more godly than they are.

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timmeh United States Posted on 05/25/2007 at 09:41 AM

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I should have said “god like”.

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Sadie Jane United States Posted on 05/25/2007 at 04:36 PM

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Zilch: And I’m partial to women of all hair colors.  Although there’s a really cute Turkish guy at the local döner place…

Alright, now I know you’re after my heart. One of the most beautiful men John and I have ever had the pleasure of knowing and loving is a Turkish guy who came here to study about seven years ago. Needless to say, I’ve got me a little thing for Anatolians.

LH: Oh bugger- I’m a blond. A dirty blond though. Play your cards right (i.e have anything better than a 2) and I can be a very dirty blond.

Now don’t you fret. Blondes can be quite delightful, too. Especially the dirty ones. grin

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Last_Hussar Great Britain (UK) Posted on 05/25/2007 at 04:47 PM

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grin grin grin grin grin grin

Whenever Sadie drops hints about her sex life I have to go and have a cold shower!

Now stop it you little minx, or I’ll put you across my knee and spank you…

Oh Bugger…

Excuse me while I take a cold shower…

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Last_Hussar Great Britain (UK) Posted on 05/26/2007 at 08:06 PM

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Mean radius:  6,372 km
Equatorial radius: 6,378 km
Polar radius:  6,356 km
Height of mount Ararat5 km
Total radius with Ararat 6377km
Volume of Earth (Mean) 1,083,717,061,382 km3
Volume of radius to top of Ararat 1,086,270,186,754 km3
Extra Volume 2,553,125,372 km3.

Soem of that will be taken up by mountains etc.
70% of earth is ocean (therefore no elevation)
Let us assume that 1/2 the remaining amount is taken up by land (this is very generous). There for only 85% of this volume must be accounted for by water. 85% x 2,553,125,372 = 2,553,125,372 km3 of water needed to cover Mount Ararat (which the water must be higher than, according to the bible.  This does not cover the 47 peaks higher than Ararat.

1km3 water contains 1E12 Kg of water (1 with 12 0 after)
All the oceans of the world contain 1.4E21kg =
1,400,000,000 cubic km.
earth ice caps hold about another 40,000,000km3
The atmosphere holds approx 25mm worth (if dumped simultaneously)
So God had to find the same amount of water AGAIN, then 3/4 of that AGAIN.

Too many beers perhaps

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Patness Canada Posted on 05/26/2007 at 08:11 PM

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LH, I’m in a fuckin’ rotten mood, and I loved reading that. Thank you.

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zilch Austria Posted on 05/27/2007 at 03:49 AM

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God having had too many beers might explain the Flood, but where did He buy the beers?

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Sadie Jane United States Posted on 05/27/2007 at 01:58 PM

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God having had too many beers might explain the Flood, but where did He buy the beers?

Duh--He created them! He can do anything.  wink

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Last_Hussar Great Britain (UK) Posted on 05/27/2007 at 06:32 PM

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God having had too many beers might explain the Flood, but where did He buy the beers?

Depends on the beer. The Kings Arms in the Market square does locally brewed ‘real ales’. This also has the advantage of sittining in yer actual history- was a land mark in the Civil War. If your prepared to walk a mile then there is the Hop Poles on the Bicester Road, which has 8-10 hand drawn cask ales, plus proper Budwieser (not the bland USian one- the Czech one).  I had a few good beers in a pub which I don’t know the name of, but if off Marine Parade in Brighton, and has its own Micro brewery on site.

Have I misunderstood the question?

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Last_Hussar Great Britain (UK) Posted on 05/27/2007 at 06:57 PM

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Something I keep meaning to say

Anti-Science Agenda At Creationist Museum

Tomorrow
Man Finds water in Sea
Scientists confirm Pope is Catholic
Bush confirmed as ‘Not the best President ever’

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zilch Austria Posted on 05/28/2007 at 02:34 AM

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My partner and I have been to Yorkshire twice, and hope to go next year again.  She thinks it’s so we can perform there, but the real reason is Black Sheep Ale.

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LuckyJohn19 Australia Posted on 05/28/2007 at 08:05 AM

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I like beer.

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zilch Austria Posted on 05/28/2007 at 11:35 AM

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Who doesn’t?

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Patness Canada Posted on 05/28/2007 at 12:31 PM

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Me, actually. But maybe I’ve just been soured on the stiff beer coming out of Canada. I regret not taking the opportunity to test the many beers available to me during a stint in Europe.

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decrepitoldfool United States Posted on 05/28/2007 at 12:36 PM

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I have never been able to develop a taste for it because I can’t seem to metabolize alcohol without becoming ill.

zilch Austria Posted on 05/28/2007 at 01:16 PM

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Patness- Canadians are to beer as hockey is to Americans.

DoF- Unluckily, or luckily, my tolerance for alcohol is pretty limited too.  The difference between pleasantly tipsy and unpleasantly incapacitated is about one drink with me.  I guess I’ll just have to look elsewhere for meaning in my life…

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Sadie Jane United States Posted on 05/28/2007 at 01:27 PM

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Never could stand the taste of beer, which always moderates the full ambience of European travel.

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LuckyJohn19 Australia Posted on 05/29/2007 at 04:33 AM

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What doesn’t make a lot of sense is people believing those legends, today.

Bronze age mythology applied to 21st century knowledge - LOL – it just proves how good the scammers are and or how insane and or easily lead the True Believers™ are.

I think most of ‘them’ imagine god blinking all things into existence like Jeannie or twitching a nose like Samantha.
With an all powerful god, who’s able to bend reason and logic and every other known law in the universe, it would be quite easy to blink all creatures down to bacteria size so’s they’d take up little or even no room at all nor would they eat much food and then, when all the raining stopped, blink them to the various places on earth they occupy today. What’s the big deal?
I just don’t see it as a stretch of the imagination at all, at all.

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