Drunk Mom bypasses ignition-lock by having 12 year old son blow into it for her.

Posted by Les on Friday, April 02, 2004 at 12:34 PM. Read 7051 times. Tags:
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So by now you’ve heard about how in some States if you’re convicted ‘x’ number of times of driving under the influence the authorities can install a device in your car that requires you to pass a breathalyzer test before you can start your car, right? Seems like the perfect solution to the problem of drunk driving, right? Can’t start the car if you’re drunk, can’t drive if you can’t start the car. Makes perfect sense to a lot of people and as a result laws allowing these devices to be installed in habitual offender’s cars are gaining popularity.

One little oversight folks may not have considered, though: What’s stopping a drunk from convincing someone else to blow into the ignition-lock for them so they can start the car? Sure, no responsible sober adult would do such a thing, but not all adults are responsible. Besides that, what if they have kids?

Wausau - Drunken mother drove with 5 kids

Sandra Donat had been arrested three times already for drunken driving, so she knew that she would need someone sober to blow into the ignition-lock device on her van before it would start.

She chose her 12-year-old son.

Then Donat piled him and four of her other children - all younger than 10 years old at the time - into the vehicle at 2:30 a.m. on Feb. 20, 2003, and took off for Taco Bell with a beer in hand.

Police arrested her after the van drifted out of its lane, and found that she had a blood-alcohol concentration of 0.22, more than twice the state’s legal limit at the time.

Donat said she had left a friend’s house in Wausau, but police never determined where she was coming from. The officer who followed the van into the restaurant’s parking lot on Grand Avenue in Schofield could see that at least one of the children was not wearing a seat belt.

“The nature of this crime is grotesque,” Assistant District Attorney Kurt Klomberg said while arguing for a prison sentence at a hearing on Thursday in Marathon County court. “Those lives could have ended because their mother, the person they trusted the most, had the munchies.”
Reserve Judge Conrad Richards agreed. He sentenced Donat, 38, of Birnamwood to the maximum sentence of four and a half years in prison, along with another year and a half of extended supervision for three counts of fourth-offense driving while intoxicated - prosecutors can add additional charges of drunken driving for each child who is in the vehicle.

Aside from being a perfect example of a complete dumbass, Sandra Donat also demonstrates one of the flaws in trying to solve a social problem with a technical solution. Driving drunk is a symptom of a larger problem (alcoholism). Treating only one symptom doesn’t solve the larger problem this woman is dealing with even if it were possible for that treatment to be 100% effective.

Everyone quoted in the news story is carrying on about how she put her children’s lives at risk by bypassing the lock and driving under the influence with her kids in the car, but no one seems at all concerned about the fact that this woman is apparently getting drunk on a regular enough basis that she may be putting her kids at risk regardless of whether she’s able to drive a car. Making her unable to drive her car when drunk only protects the rest of us from this woman, but it does nothing to make her kids all that much safer. A drunk parent, particularly a single parent such as Sandra, generally are not in any shape to feed, clothe or bathe their children properly. Granted, there are always different frequencies in how often a particular alcoholic may go on a binge, but the fact remains that a drunk parent puts their children at risk during those periods simply by not being sober. The more frequent the binging, the more risk for the kids.

By putting a band-aid on the problem with something like an ignition-lock you’re not really helping these people in any way. In fact, you may be enabling them to make the problem worse by sending the wrong message: It’s OK to get drunk as long as you don’t drive. It’s the sort of quick-fix and seemingly sensible solution that politicians love because it makes everyone happy. The voters who see their leaders getting “tough on drunks,” the makers of the devices who know there’s plenty of drunks out there for the Police to buy devices for, the drunks ‘cause they think this gives them license to binge, and the politicians themselves ‘cause it’ll get them more votes.

Ultimately the real problem, the alcoholism, is left untreated and will continue to impact the family as a whole putting them all at risk. If these people were truly concerned about the kids in this story they’d be outraged over the fact that they tried to quick-fix the symptom instead of dealing with the problem properly in the first place.

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GeekMom United States Posted on 04/06/2004 at 10:39 AM

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Step-mom, you and your husband are wonderful people.  We’re rootin’ for ya.  Keep fighting the good fight.

Brock United States Posted on 04/06/2004 at 11:25 AM

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I LOVE the way this site gets responses from the actual people discussed in posts. It allows us feedback from those involved and sometimes provides a sort of closure.

It’s so much more real and immediate than most message boards and blogs I read.

Les is da man and that’s all there is to it. His only shortcoming is that he’s straight, though I try not to let that alter my respect for him.

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GeekMom United States Posted on 04/06/2004 at 12:56 PM

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Les could change if he really wanted to, Brock.  Pray for him.

Les United States Posted on 04/06/2004 at 01:56 PM

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Step-mom, I’m very relieved to hear that the kids are in a better situation now and you have my good wishes for you and your family.

Brock, I appreciate the compliment and I’ll try to be a little less straight just for you. Does it help any to know that I paint my toe-nails? It’s a macho metal-flake blue color, but it still gets lots of odd stares when I walk around in my sandals.

GeekMom, I don’t think the world is ready for me to be gay. For one thing my fashion sense is so bad that not even the Queer Eye guys could help me.

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AuntyMia United States Posted on 04/06/2004 at 03:24 PM

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Please keep in mind that the kids DO love and miss their mother very much,(even if she is a complete DUMBASS), and that we have to always respect that around them. The minds of children are so precious, and with the oldest being 17 and the youngest being 6 I’m sure they miss their mom terribly and will always love her, no matter what she did in the past. 
But I will say....The children are much better off where they are and should have been better off years ago. This could of ended tragically but THANK GOD (or whoever ya need to thank) all is well.
Sandra had shown us all too many times to be an irresponsible mother and DAMN THE COURTS OF SHAWANO COUNTY, (the crooked bastards that they are), for letting her keep the kids for as long as she did.
Thank you Bill and Kim again for caring so much about the well being of the kids. They deserve the best and now they have it!

~AuntyMia
(Aunt of the 3 youngest)

Brock United States Posted on 04/06/2004 at 08:45 PM

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Yeah, about that toenail painting thing! I’ve always thought you might be repressing a bit.

If you think it might help, I could pray for you for help coming out. Keep in mind that since I’ve no idea who to pray to, I might end up having you made impotent or something.

AuntyMia, you and Step-mom are cool. It’s great to know this situation has people like you two to counter balance the kids experiences.

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Brock United States Posted on 04/06/2004 at 09:21 PM

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Another thing about the toenail-painting, Les - Don’t you ever have a not-so-bright day, when you look down at your feet and the first thing you think is “Damn, how did I manage to mash all ten of my toes?”

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Joye United States Posted on 04/16/2004 at 11:40 AM

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Wow! Well, this thread really hit me on a lot of levels. I’m a PSYC student (late bloomer), & some were wondering earlier about the options available to Atheist alcoholics.

Cognitive-Behavioral Therapy (CBT - see Aaron Beck, original theorist on the method) has proven to be the most affective therapy time & time again. When you look at not only levels of improvement, but also relapse rates, CBT is much more effective than AA, hypnosis, acupuncture, psychotherapy, medication, etc. It is also the most effective form of therapy for many other illnesses, such as depression (as was discussed earlier in the thread). I’m not going to teach PSYC 101 here, but the jest of CBT is introduction, use, & implementation of logic & reason in assessing one’s cognitive processes. Basically, it is designed to rid one of cognitive distortions. (Anyway, you can research more if you like.) So, there are alternatives to groups such as AA… & good alternatives at that!

On the note of the children & parental rights, etc., it is wonderful that these kids were able to go to relatives, while I would have to agree that regardless of their mom’s actions, the children will still endlessly miss her & long for her.

My husband & I are adopting a sibling group out of foster care. They are 8 & 9 & have been in care (in a different state) for 4 years. We’re also foster parents, & we run a donation center out of our home, where kids in care can get free clothing, toys, furniture, books, sporting equipment, etc. We’re obviously “entrenched” in the foster care/DCFS world, & thus have a bit of insight on the subject (although the learning is truly ENDLESS).

I think that if it can be avoided (in some reasonable way), children should stay OUT of foster care. Whenever possible, they should stay with their biological families, as the blunt trauma & long term damage to attachment capabilities is horrific (at best). Plus, as discussed in other threads, these children are still at threat for further abuse, neglect, etc. in the foster care system.

As I see it, one of the biggest faults in our foster care system is that too many people are fostering that HAVE A VOID (a. can’t have biological children, or b. can’t have as many biological children as they’d like). And so, as an affordable alternative to private agencies, they turn to the state to “give” them “free” children, in hopes of being able to adopt one or more of them (as about 50% of adoptable foster children are adopted by their foster parents). This is a recipe for disaster! First of all, people with these kinds of motives often have unrealistic expectations of what the children will be like; thus, they are ill prepared to deal with Oppositional Defiant Disorder (ODD), Reactive Attachment Disorder (RAD), etc. (Oh, & what was someone saying about depression & such being “made up”? Explain to me how children are able to “make up” a plethora of mental illnesses.) Anyway, so these void-riddled parents have fairy tales in their minds of their “future children” & of how mystical the experience will be. Then…a child is placed with them, & the parents are suddenly convicted that the child is possessed by demons or something (speaking of religious diversion). I think it is apparent why some foster parents abuse the children (not that the above scenario covers ALL situations of abuse).

It is unfortunate, too, that some foster parents undermine child/parent reunification efforts. There is a foster mother in my area (who is one of many that I know that suffers from the void mentioned above). She had two small girls placed with her for a month, & she knew ahead of time that it was a short stay, until the girls went back to their mother. (The previous foster parents had a medical emergency that made it impossible for them to finish out the month.) In that short month, this foster mother refused to take them to visits with their mother, because of “colds” & other such trite circumstances. In other situations, foster parents undermine visitation efforts by embellishing stories of wild behavior in the children (after they return from visits), to paint a detrimental picture of the birth family. Or, some will even blatantly brain-wash the children into “hating” their parents.

Of course, when it comes to foster care, the media usually only jumps on the “bad stuff,” but there are good foster parents out there. There are good people with good motives & good intentions. (And, unless you’re like the neglectful couple in NJ, there is NOT a profit to be made from being a foster parent. More often than not, the care of the children costs more every month than the actual subsidy payment.)

I’m on this rant right now because I think it addresses the “striking at the root” concept, rather than putting a Band-Aid on a DCFS wound. I think that DCFS officials should think outside the box when trying to implement improvements, because their repetitive & redundant improvements haven’t been working!

>>>>Geekmom said, “I don’t think you can put legal processes in place to take away someone’s kids just because they’re ill. You can’t make it illegal to be drunk in your home if you have kids present, for example. And you can’t force treatment on someone simply for being an alcoholic — again, unless they actually cause bodily harm to someone else.”

Les United States Posted on 04/16/2004 at 12:42 PM

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Very well said and I think you pretty covered what I was trying to say originally myself. Thanks for sharing that with us.

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Partiro United States Posted on 04/20/2007 at 11:20 PM

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According to the Journal of the American Medical Association the leading causes of death in the year 2000 (the latest figures available) show alcohol consumption the third highest cause of death in the country at 85,000 deaths; 3.5%. Motor vehicle deaths make up 43,000 of those deaths. The economic cost of alcohol abuse is estimated to be $70.3 billion for the year 1985 (again the latest figures available).

Obviously alcohol abuse is a major problem and when that abuse takes place behind the wheel of a 3000 pound vehicle the damage often involves innocent people.

Breathalyzer car locks are a great idea not just because it would save lives and money but because it would force many abusers into treatment. It is estimated that about 10% of the population of the US are chronic alcoholics and many more are well on their way.  Those people often reject help for years causing untold problems for the social and health systems of the country. often times they can be nudged into treatment by the hassles associated with drinking - like the inability to drive.

Have you ever noticed the cars in the parking lots for taverns and bars and wondered how those people get home? How many people have a drink after work or during a social event and then drive home? How many of you know an alcoholic that is in denial and driving? Think about these things and then think about this product

Les United States Posted on 04/20/2007 at 11:47 PM

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It seems you didn’t read the original entry too closely. If you an bypass the system by having someone else blow into it for you then it’s hardly a deterrent.

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Last_Hussar Great Britain (UK) Posted on 04/21/2007 at 07:44 AM

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Why do Americans freak at alcohol? One Brit journalist recored that when he asked for a second glass of wine at a top NY restaurant he felt like everyone in the room was looking at him as if he was some sort of pisshead.

This is not a rant saying this woman did nothing wrong. Don’t drink and drive is a given.  However it is possible to be over the limit to drive but still be able to funtion perfectly well a a human. A drink driver is not necessarily an alcoholic.

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Rukety United States Posted on 06/05/2007 at 11:49 PM

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Calvin, you are a disgrace to Canada. It seems more like you belong in some oppressive three-letter branch of our government. You’d fit right in.

Michael United States Posted on 06/27/2008 at 01:04 AM

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I still haven’t figured out what prevents the driver from just running a redundant +12V to the ignition system and bumping the starter.  Works pretty good when my cars don’t feel like starting the normal way.  Key unlocks the steering column and shifter, or just remove the lock cylinder altogether - nothing preventing anyone from operating the car.  :screwy:

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