Here’s my answer to Pascal’s Wager, which is essentially “why not believe in God?  What have you got to lose?”

What have I got to lose?  How about years of my life wasted in obsessive-compulsive rituals (as often as several times a day), immersion in a rigid environment that refuses to allow me to question its most basic tenets, and virulent intolerance and brutal warfare, all in the name of something that doesn’t exist?  No, thank you. 

Besides, if you’re talking odds on a wager, you’d be better off believing in ALL the gods to increase your chances, wouldn’t you?  If you’re that chickenshit and afraid of an imaginary hell, you’d better rush out and buy all the holy books you can find and get cracking on worshiping everything that humans have ever dreamed up.

As Heinlein said, “It may turn out that Mumbo Jumbo the god of the Congo was Big Boss all along.”

Revelator, explain to me why you don’t believe in Mr. Smee as your personal Lord and Savior.  Prove to me that HE isn’t the one and only, the alpha and omega, the one who made this universe and everything in it.  I’m waiting.  Remember, Mr. Smee is just waiting for you to see the light and accept Him.  It’s your choice.  You’ll be eaten by an alligator tomorrow if you die having made the wrong decision.  Don’t blow it.

When the questions you are asking have already been asked dozens of times before by others then it’s not hard to look like I have all the answers. Try asking new questions.

You need to make up your mind whether or not you’re going to try and establish proof of God’s existence. First you refuse to try and provide any evidence then you claim that there is tons of evidence for God “all around” us, then you finish by claiming that some things can’t be proven. One would think that if there is truly that much evidence all around us then a proof should be ridiculously simple.

You’re trying to build a straw man fallacy with your point about tomorrow. First you assume to tell me whether or not I “believe” that tomorrow will come in an attempt to establish the issue as a matter of faith when it isn’t. Then you apply your counterpoint and then demand to know why I can “believe” in one intangible abstract and not the other. I could just toy with you and point out that tomorrow never arrives because it’s tomorrow, but I’ll pass on that for now and just say that whether or not tomorrow will come isn’t something I give any consideration to. For all I know tomorrow may not come and if it doesn’t there’s not a whole helluva lot I can do about it so there’s not much point in worrying about it.

Here’s a counter question for you: Seeing as you seem to believe that tomorrow will be here without there being any shred of evidence that it even exists, does this mean you spend time each day praying to “tomorrow” hoping to appease its anger and grant you blessings? Or do you just callously go through each day assuming that tomorrow will come regardless of whether you pray to it or not? If you’re willing to pray to one intangible abstract then why not the other?

Then you go on to make an assumption about how I determine what to believe and why and manage to be wrong on both counts.

As for my father, what is the relevance of that question?

To Geekmom:

Resp:  You must be one miserable person.  The Word says that out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks.  How about years of your life wasted in a blaze of hatred?. How much time have you spent pointing the finger at everyone else for your miserable existence.  There isn’t enough hatred in the world for you to fill that empty soul of yours up. If you want to remain lost, then stay lost.  Just for the sake of argument, you won’t be able to tell God on that dreadful day of judgement that you didn’t know or that no-one told you about Christ and I get to be there. Hope you like fire.  In regards to your question about Mr. Smee; He didn’t hang on a tree. I don’t recall him saying “I am the way, the truth, and the life” either. Good Luck Geekmom.  Your future is looking pretty “hot”.  Elwed, you aren’t looking much better. 

I guess in the end we’ll all find out the secrets to God.  If there is nothing out there when I die, then I have lost nothing.  But if I’ve lived my life as a God hater / unbeliever / whatever, and I never acknowledged Christ and die- then I have lost everything.  Kind of sounds like a no-brainer to me.  What is so horribly bad about being a Christian?  Why all the hated for them?  Grant you, most of us have done a bad job being an example of Christ, but you can’t use that as an excuse.  Frankly, your position looks so weak that apparantly it can not withstand debate.  Ever ask yourself why so many Christians are killed and martyred?  Sounds to me like someone (SATAN) dosen’t want the message to get out that God loves them and will stop at nothing to see through their own agenda and plant all kinds of doubt towards God in your head.  He is the king of lies and is only here to kill, steal, and destroy.  As far as you are concerned, he has won.  The problem with you folks is that you can’t be honest with yourselves so it should come to no surprise with me that you couldn’t be honest with me.  You would think tha t death and all its finality would at least stir some sort of motivation to make sure you have at least made an effort to get it right.  But, if your ancestry consists of apes I guess it wouldn’t matter anyway.  So here come along the Christians who do nothing but tell you the truth that you don’t have to die in your sins and all you can do is mock God.  You are in no danger of getting what you so richly deserve.  The time is quickly approaching when the sheep and the goats will be forever separated.  You’ll look for any excuse not to believe. 

Les, in regard to your last question, because the other one didn’t send His son.  Once again you have missed the point.  You haven’t answered my question about celebrating Christmas.  Do you believe in the birth of Christ or don’t you.  It is a simple yes or no answer.

Resp:  You must be one miserable person.  The Word says that out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks.  How about years of your life wasted in a blaze of hatred?. How much time have you spent pointing the finger at everyone else for your miserable existence.  There isn’t enough hatred in the world for you to fill that empty soul of yours up.

Oooo, Revelator honey, you’ve obviously lost your temper because nobody’s buying what you’re selling.  That’s quite a temper tantrum you’ve got there.  Or were you trying to demonstrate “Christian” love and tolerance?  All that glee about imagining me drowning in a lake of fire, my goodness.  Does that warm your nights, contemplating how many disagreeable people are going to burn in your imaginary hell, whereas you get to be “saved”?  My, you’re a FINE representative of your religion.  If that’s how people get when they buy into Pascal’s Wager, count me out.

In regards to your question about Mr. Smee; He didn’t hang on a tree.

If there is nothing out there when I die, then I have lost nothing.  But if I’ve lived my life as a God hater / unbeliever / whatever, and I never acknowledged Christ and die- then I have lost everything.  Kind of sounds like a no-brainer to me.

Pascal’s Wager is designed to make the believer feel good, but is otherwise not compelling. You could take the trouble of looking up the many decisive refutations on the web, but here are a few choice ones nevertheless.

First, to convert to a religious belief to assuage a fear of punishment and out of greed for the reward is morally bankrupt, plain and simple. It follows that the moral turpitude of anybody using Pascal’s Wager as a conversion tool is highly questionable.

Further, the most that Pascal’s Wager can do is to encourage a god-belief. It does not follow which god and if one is disposed towards accepting the wager, the question is which religion offers the best cost/benefit ratio?

Finally, you are under the misapprehension that atheism is incompatible with a belief in the afterlife. While few atheists would hold the belief that there is some spiritual afterlife, there is nothing that prevents them from believing such.

Geekmom has already answered to the real and tangible cost of accepting the wager. I reject the wager on the strength of not wanting to be associated with the likes of you alone.

Should I go on? There are literally another dozen or two objections to Pascal’s Wager.

What is so horribly bad about being a Christian?

I’ll answer that if you insist.

Frankly, your position looks so weak that apparantly it can not withstand debate.

Given how much verbiage you expend, your actions seem to belie your words, aye?

Oh, is THAT all you require to believe in something?  They have to hang on a tree?  Wait just a sec—I’ve got one in my back yard.  Back in a bit.  I await your desperate worship.

LMAO - When doing some genealogical research I found out one my ancestors was hung with a noose.  Maybe I can get a ‘get out of hell free’ card.

Relevator - I’m curious, have you read any other so-called holy books besides the bible?  Have you even completely read the bible cover to cover?  Have you read more than two versions of the bible?  I’m wagering that you haven’t because in doing so that is how quite a few of us learned how to question the implications of our beliefs and have come to realize how shallow and hollow biblical truths really are.

Oooo! Sounds like someone woke up on the wrong side of the prayer altar today! We must be getting under his skin a wee-bit. Let’s see what we have here:

To Geekmom: You must be one miserable person.

Doh! Starting off with an unsubstantiated assumption right from the get-go! Followed up by another assumption that she’s full of hatred, then another that she spends a lot of time blaming others for her assumed miserable existence, then a simple platitude, then a statement of exasperation, then a dire warning with a side of gloating tossed in for good measure, a mild threat, a flippant rejoinder followed by another mild threat and an extension to Elwed!

I don’t know about you, Bob, but I think the judges are going to give Revelator high marks for that performance.

I guess in the end we’ll all find out the secrets to God.  If there is nothing out there when I die, then I have lost nothing.  But if I’ve lived my life as a God hater / unbeliever / whatever, and I never acknowledged Christ and die- then I have lost everything.  Kind of sounds like a no-brainer to me.

What it sounds like is Pascal’s wager, which we’ve already beaten to death in other threads. It sounds good, but it’s flawed logic at its worst.

What is so horribly bad about being a Christian?  Why all the hated for them?

Depends on which Christian you’re speaking about, but in general there’s nothing particularly wrong with being a Christian if that’s what makes you happy and you can buy into the mythology involved. Most of us unbelievers couldn’t care less if you guys want to gather in your churches and pass around the collection plate and sing hosannas until the cows come home. If nothing else, it keeps you guys occupied and gives you a sense of well being.

Problem is a lot of you Christians aren’t satisfied with just going off and doing your own thing and leaving the rest of us to pursue our own paths. You seem to feel that unless you convince everyone else around you to join in on your little rituals and prayers and other related nonsense or, at the least, convince us that we’re wrong for not believing as you do then you’re somehow not doing your “job” as a believer. Worse, many of you seem to feel that if you can’t force us to believe then at least you can try and force us to live under your rules by getting your bullshit passed as laws and or trying to get the government to endorse your religious texts as superior to all others in public buildings. So you guys go around making total nuisances of yourselves with anyone who doesn’t agree with you and then you have the gall to wonder why you’re not welcomed with open arms whenever you encounter folks who don’t share your worldview.

If you folks could just be happy with doing your little church thing and not have to fuck with the rest of us constantly in one way or another then you’d probably find that we’d having nothing to gripe about. Hell, we’d even allow you the joy of laughing about how the rest of us are going to burn in Hell someday as long as you’re doing it at church or your home or whatever.

Here’s something for you to ponder: Take a good look around this blog and you’ll notice that there aren’t any entries I’ve written where I’ve bitched about the Pagans or Wiccans. Now why would that be? Is it because I agree with and accept their beliefs? Absolutely not, I think their beliefs are easily as silly as anything the Christians have concocted. The reason I don’t bitch about them is because, unlike many Christians, they manage to live in harmony with everyone else without trying to force their beliefs onto anyone who sits still long enough to listen or by trying to pass legislation. They seem to have a self-assurance in their worldview that many Christians lack and don’t require me to believe as they do in order to validate their faith. In short, they don’t give a shit if I think their beliefs are silly and they don’t feel the need to try and force me to accept their beliefs as a part of their job as good Pagans and Wiccans.

As a result, I think they’re the greatest thing since sliced bread. I’m actually rooting for them to grow in influence and popularity among people who seem to have a need to believe in something supernatural. The more Pagans and Wiccans the better as far as I’m concerned because at least they make for great neighbors and they throw fantastic parties.

As for hate, I don’t hate anyone and I certainly don’t hate a class of people purely because they hold a worldview I disagree with. There are plenty of people I’m not fond of and several that I dislike, but I’m not much of a hater as there are better things for me to spend my energy on. A lot of Christians tend to annoy me, some even make me angry, but being annoyed or angered by someone is not the same as hating them.

Grant you, most of us have done a bad job being an example of Christ, but you can’t use that as an excuse.

Sure you can. If a group that encourages a particular worldview turns out a high number of assholes as a result then it’s not unreasonable to question if the worldview being promoted encourages people to be assholes. The more assholes it produces the more justifiable the question becomes. There’s a particular Christian sect that serves as an excellent case-in-point: The Klu Klux Klan.

I’m willing to bet that most reasonable folks, if asked, would agree that the worldview the Klu Klux Klan encourages people who buy into it to act like total assholes. Yet the reality is there are probably many Klu Klux Klan members that if you bumped into them without knowing their worldview would come across as otherwise decent people so long as the issue of race isn’t brought up for some reason. I know this for a fact because I’ve known a few Klansmen in my time and was shocked when the truth of their worldview came to light. Yet the fact that some members of that group can be decent people in most respects doesn’t absolve the KKK of the fact that it encourages its members to be assholes.

Frankly, your position looks so weak that apparently it can not withstand debate.

Which is laughable statement for you to make because you’ve yet to engage us in a debate. You refused to support your claims when challenged. Instead you tried to shift the burden of proof and then tried to proselytize and that isn’t even close to being a debate. Try again.

Ever ask yourself why so many Christians are killed and martyred?

Probably because they’re traveling around trying to tell others how to live their lives when they can’t even manage their own all that well.

Sounds to me like someone (SATAN) dosen’t want the message to get out that God loves them and will stop at nothing to see through their own agenda and plant all kinds of doubt towards God in your head.  He is the king of lies and is only here to kill, steal, and destroy.  As far as you are concerned, he has won.

Yeah, we’ve heard that before. It always amazes me that you folks can’t seem to grasp that such arguments hold no meaning to people who don’t believe in the concept of Satan.

The problem with you folks is that you can’t be honest with yourselves so it should come to no surprise with me that you couldn’t be honest with me.

I can’t speak for anyone else, but I’ve been completely honest with you. It’s another sign that you’re living in a dreamworld that you would rather assume I’m lying to you than accept the idea that I could possibly not believe as you do. You’ve gotten so wrapped up in your fantasy that you’re willing to make shit up about how miserable and full of hatred GeekMom must be or how the rest of us are lying to ourselves and you in order to reassure yourself. If you can’t see the reality about us and how we really think and feel then why should we assume your claims about the reality of God are any more accurate or informed? You can’t even see real people as they are let alone some supernatural being.

You would think tha t death and all its finality would at least stir some sort of motivation to make sure you have at least made an effort to get it right.

How do you know we haven’t been motivated to do just that and that’s what brought us to where we are today? Again you make assumptions based on your biased worldview that has no bearing on reality.

But, if your ancestry consists of apes I guess it wouldn’t matter anyway.

Wow, ignorance of Evolution as well. Why am I not surprised? Nice attempt at an insult though.

So here come along the Christians who do nothing but tell you the truth that you don’t have to die in your sins and all you can do is mock God.

Awww! Those poor misunderstood Christians! I feel so sorry for them. All they’re doing is trying to help. All they want to do is bring everyone into their collective delusion and sit around in one big group hug, though not too close! Don’t want anyone thinking we’re gay or anything.

We’re not mocking God. We’re mocking the idea of God.

You are in no danger of getting what you so richly deserve.

Not sure if that’s a typo or not, but it’s funny either way.

The time is quickly approaching when the sheep and the goats will be forever separated.

Some days I think it would actually be great if that were true. Anything to get away from your bleating for awhile.

You’ll look for any excuse not to believe.

Again with the assumptions. Some might say that you’re looking for any justification to believe no matter how flimsy.

“Look! A sunrise! It must be GOD!!! How ELSE can you explain it?”

Les, in regard to your last question, because the other one didn’t send His son.  Once again you have missed the point.

I didn’t miss the point. I recognized it as a setup for a platitude based on a bad assumption on your part.

You haven’t answered my question about celebrating Christmas.  Do you believe in the birth of Christ or don’t you.  It is a simple yes or no answer.

You never answered my question on if you walk around praying to “Tomorrow” either so I’m not certain where you get off on demanding that I answer your questions if you’re not willing to answer mine, but I’ll humor you on this one.

I don’t celebrate Christmas. I celebrate Yuletide. I only call it Christmas because that’s what most folks know it as. As I said before, the Pagans throw some great parties and Yuletide is no exception.

As for the birth of Christ the answer is: No, I don’t believe he ever existed.

I don’t know about you, Bob, but I think the judges are going to give Revelator high marks for that performance.

Almost pissed myself I was laughing so hard!

nowiser, I love your avatar!

That’s not Aslan, is it? 

Oh, and:  what Les said.  All of it.  (Yes, pagans DO throw cool parties, don’t they?)

Doh! Starting off with an unsubstantiated assumption right from the get-go! Followed up by another assumption that she’s full of hatred, then another that she spends a lot of time blaming others for her assumed miserable existence, then a simple platitude, then a statement of exasperation, then a dire warning with a side of gloating tossed in for good measure, a mild threat, a flippant rejoinder followed by another mild threat and an extension to Elwed!

I don’t know about you, Bob, but I think the judges are going to give Revelator high marks for that performance.

Comic Genius, I had to update my list of top 10 LES quotes!

That’s not Aslan, is it?  wink

Thanks!  I was getting avatar-envy, and finally decided to set one up for myself.

I snagged it from a site that had free avatar downloads.  It was just labeled “lion,” so I suppose it could be Aslan!

I don’t know about you, Bob, but I think the judges are going to give Revelator high marks for that performance.

Nah. Sounded too much like sour grapes. But wait, perhaps Revelator will return for another performance?

It was easy when the only conversion tool required was the argument from intimidation:

See that bonfire?
Therefore, god exists.

I do, however, wonder what drives Revelator and the like to attempt to proselytize in a forum that has plenty of atheists that considered their position at length. I don’t know if they realize how ill prepared they are…

Amusingly enough, I used to hang out on religous forums. One does find messages like “HELP - I’m being eaten alive. These atheists/evolutionists have answers to everything I throw at them and ask tough question of their own.”

I do, however, wonder what drives Revelator and the like to attempt to proselytize in a forum that has plenty of atheists that considered their position at length.

In my experience with christians and creationists, I’ve found that they typically believe that all non believers are ignorant. They generally do not expect that someone could actually study their scripture, the scripture that altered and now controls their lives, and not come to the same conclusions that they have. That’s why they continue to try and guide us towards the truth.

It’s their obligation to direct us towards him that was, is, and shall forever be (Where’s that damn sarcasm font).

I would be careful about hasty generalizations.

The only problem I have with the vast majority of Christians is that they don’t try hard enough, if at all, to distance themselves from the vocal minority of agenda pushers and bigots that operate under the guise of their interpretation of Christianity.

Limited to that subset, what you said and some more.

If this is a double-post, I apologize (and ask Les to delete one!) - SATAN must have eaten the original when I hit the submit button…

Les, I almost soiled myself laughing!

Problem is a lot of you Christians aren’t satisfied with just going off and doing your own thing and leaving the rest of us to pursue our own paths. You seem to feel that unless you convince everyone else around you to join in on your little rituals and prayers and other related nonsense or, at the least, convince us that we’re wrong for not believing as you do then you’re somehow not doing your “job� as a believer.

I’d hazard to guess most atheists and agnostics have “traveled the Way” with a more sincere commitment and thirst for knowledge and wisdom and “Truth” than the tiny brains of Christians like Revelator could possibly conceive.  Many, like me, have joined several religious groups throughout our lives - and studied many more, in depth and with an open heart and mind.  Coming to the conclusion that gods are not real and holy writ is mere myth is not a “turning away” as much as it is an unwillingness to pretend a need to have more faith in a set of myths than in the power of human intellect, reason and our ability to care for the earth and its inhabitants simply because it’s the right thing to do. 

Even the Pagans and Wiccans, who DO believe in an afterlife do not hold it to be more important, or any better than THIS life.  In fact, for Pagans the rewards for “doing it right” are not jealously guarded by some petulant deity who demands exclusive worship while threatening eternal damnation in a lake of fire.  Doing it right is its own reward, and living a positive life brings more positive things into one’s life; just like that - no suffering, no pleading with vengeful deities for mercy and grace.  Simply the fulfillment of the biblical words, “As ye sow, so shall ye reap.” That’s a universal Truth; no gods required.

How do you know we haven’t been motivated to do just that and that’s what brought us to where we are today? Again you make assumptions based on your biased worldview that has no bearing on reality.

“Death and its finality” seems to motivate Christians, alright; to the point that they fixate on some unprovable hereafter while spending the here-and-now berating themselves and others for being inherently “sinful,” blaming one creature of fantasy while praying to another.  How they find comfort in such a life is unfathomable to me, but it’s not my life, so they’re welcome to do whatever they like as long as they keep it to themselves.

I’d hazard to guess most atheists and agnostics have “traveled the Way� with a more sincere commitment and thirst for knowledge and wisdom and “Truth� than the tiny brains of Christians like Revelator could possibly conceive.

By definition, any given atheist was never a believer in the first place (that includes myself) or has rejected his or her faith in the face of overwhelming doubt (that includes Les, I believe).

Dogma and doctrine are but an imperfect match to the world as we know it. A believer has can go down two principal paths when faced with these contradictions. First, he can deny the validity of religious dogma and doctrine, with the ultimate result of turning atheist, agnostic, or subscribing to a different religion, or second, he can reconcile the contradictions with more and more farfetched apologetics. It’s the latter choice that I consider as self-delusional.

Note that the above two choices do not exhaust the spectrum of available reconciliatory options. It is perfectly acceptable to answer with: “I acknowledge this problem, but I have yet to find an answer and I may never will.”

I don’t know if Revelator and his like lack the mental capacity or basic honesty to recognize what a believer can or should doubt, but all things considered I pity him or her. It must be terrible to live in a world of medieval superstition.

Good morning fools!  With all this talk and psycho-analyzing of Christians, I’m amazed of what you don’t know.  The reason why you hate Christians and the church is that you can’t stand the truth! If anything I’ve learned about athetists and this site is the fact that you can’t do anything with some sort of sarcasm in your responses.  You say Christians are closed minded--kind of the pot calling the kettle black isn’t it?  I find it interesting that so many atheists have gone out to try to disprove the bible and end up being converted because they flat out can’t.  How do you explain this?  I can’t wait to here your answer.

I see you’ve dropped all pretense of civility and allowed your “True Christian” colors to show through. I figured this would happen sooner or later.

Again he presumes to tell us that we hate Christians and why. His arrogance is quite stunning. I don’t think anyone here has called Christians closed minded as of yet. And he again demands we answer one of his “stumper” questions without bothering to answer any of ours first. What an ass.

Revelator, I’ll explain why there have been atheists who set out to prove the Bible wrong and became Christians once you explain why there have been so many Christians whom upon studying the Bible became atheists.

I don’t think anyone here has called Christians closed minded as of yet.

Only that peculiar subset that Revelator purports to be a member of and that presumes to speak for all of Christianity.

Be that as it may, when can we expect the “atheists persecute Christians” card? I so want to complete my bingo sheet.

In order to call someone like the Revelator “closed-minded,” he’d actually have to HAVE one ...

Goodness gracious.  Just stumbled on this thread.  The Revelator is surely a bitter, nasty, hateful little fuck, isn’t he?  Ah, what a true Christian he is and if there is such a thing as the pearly gates and God, he is going to “smack that whack to the gates of hell-a.” You will respect his authoritahhh. (says she in her best Cartman voice)

Well, I must admit that you folks have become quite the entertainment where I am at.  By the way, as far as you being “fools”, I was just quoting the bible various Proverbs like 1 : 7 “The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge, but FOOLS despise wisdom and discipline.” Prov 12:15 “The way of the FOOL seems right to him.” 12:16 “a FOOL shows his annoyance at once.” It goes on and on.  Sounds pretty clear to me!  I know the truth must heart especially when it comes from Gods own word.  Guess you’ll just have to cope.  You know, we here can’t wait to see what kind of nonsense you people will spue out of those nasty little mouths of yours next.  As for the “Christian closed-mindedness” issue is concerned, it may have not been spoken in so many words, but the inferences are certainly there.  For example Elwed remark on 10/15/04 @0757 “Nobody has an answer for everything except theists”, OB remark of “tiny brains”, Elwed again remarks of “lack of mental capacity”, and of course the notorious Geekmom and “Revelator would actually have to have one.” So there goes that argument.  Perhaps it is time to shed some lite on myself.  I solely own two US patents - one for aids research, the other for solvent recycling technologies.  I am published, obtained 2 Navy Commendations and a Navy achievement medal for my research to help make it easier for pathologists to identify opportunistic pathogens in aids patients.  Not to mention new technologies for bacterial identification.  Geekmom!  Geekmom!  Are you out there??  I wonder what you have done to contribute for the better of the planet and humanity other than your utter hate and contempt for God?  You are pathetic.  For 20 years I have committed my life to the defence of this country so that people like yourselves can enjoy that thing we take for granted called freedom.  You don’t hesitate to mock the christians and the values this country was built on but yet you so enjoy the very freedom we provide you.  If you hate this country so much and its Christian values, we have lots of planes leaving the country--GET ON ONE AND GET OUT OF HERE.  We will not miss you.  As fellow Americans, you offend me and everyone else who has served and died for this country. You are all without honor and the true enemy of this nation.  And to think for a moment you don’t have an agenda.  You are doing what you can to wipe God off the face of the planet.  My God!  What would you do without the ACLU.  In the end, You are going to fail.  I and most of the Christians today are sick to death of your constant whining to the ACLU.  I think you’ll see in the near future we are going to start fighting back and taking back this country.  I suggest you evacuate!Here is a nice bit of scripture out of the bible that may change your ignorant and hateful way of thinking about God or “the idea of God”.  It comes from Deuteronomy 28 : 15 If you have a bible you can follow along (HA!) states “However, if you do not obey the Lord your God and do not carefully follow all of his commands and decrees I am giving you today, all these cureses will come upon you:  You will be cursed in the city and cursed in the country.  Your basket and your kneading trough will be cursed.  The fruit of your womb will be cursed, and the crops of your land and the calves of your herds and the lambs of your flocks.  You will be cursed when you go in and cursed when you come out.  The Lord will send on you curses, confusion, and rebuke in everything you put your hand to, until you are destroyed and come to sudden ruin because of the evil you have done in forsaking Him.  The Lord will plague you with diseases until He has destroyed you from the land you are entering to possess.  The Lord will strike you with wasting diseases, with fever and inflammation, with sorching heat and drought, with blight and mildew, which will plaque you until you perish.  The sky over your head will be bronze, the ground beneath you iron.  The Lord will turn the rain of your country into dust and powder; it will come down from the skies until you are destroyed.  The Lord will cause you to be defeated before your enemies.  You will come at them from one direction but flee from them in seven, and you will become a thing of horror to all the kingdoms of the earth.  Your carcasses will be food for all the birds of the air and the beasts of the earth, and there will be noone to frighten them away.  The Lord will afflict you with the boils of Egypt and with tumors, festoring sores and the itch, from which you can not be cured.  The Lord will afflict you with madness, blindness, and confusion of mind.  At midday you will grope about like a man in the dark.  You will be unsuccesful in everything you do; day after day you will be oppressed and robbed, with noone to rescue you.  45 All these curses will come upon you.  They will persue you and overtake you until you are destroyed, because you did no obey the Lord your God and observe the commands and decrees he gave you.  They will be a sign and a wonder to you and your descendants forever.” I suspect for some of you this prophecy about you is already coming to pass.  God is a loving God that dosen’t want anyone to perish but at the same time, He isn’t going to put up with you and your continued garbage.  You probably deep down blame Him for all the tragedy in your lives.  He is not the author of evil for your life.  HE WILL HAVE THE LAST WORD!!!!!  If I were you, I would repent and ask Christ into your heart and beg that God will have mercy upon your soul.  But you won’t for hate’s sake.  I have know doubt that you will spit your last breath at Thee.  Therefore standby.  Your doom is just overhead.  Since others here with me are now observing what has been said here, we will be eagerly waiting for your response.  Can’t wait.

You think we’re entertaining? I scared the cat because I laughed so hard at your latest reply.

Dude, there’s this little thing called “line breaks.” Learn to use them. Perhaps in between combating major diseases and keeping the country safe for us, eh? Would make reading your hilarious comments a lot easier.

Revelator - you are an idiot.

Oh Spocko!  Is that the best you can do?  No, I’m afaid we’ll see who the real idiot is on that great and dreadful judgement day.  What is it the bible says?  Oh yes.  Every mouth confess and every knee will bow to the Lord God almighty.  I’m pretty sure that “every” includes you to there Spocko.