Hey Revelator,

I dare you to take a look at this website---tell us all what you think after you thoroughly read it:

http://www.nobeliefs.com/DarkBible/DarkBibleContents.htm

We will see how much of an “open-mind” you have. 

And another thing, you seem like a very pompous and arrogant asshole, especially when you start spewing forth your past “accomplishments” and assuming that these make you a better person than others in here that disagree with you.  I suggest you drop that tactic in the future if you want to participate in an intelligent discussion. 

Finally, you assume this country was founded on “christian values"----LOL----study your history, boy.  You couldn’t be further from fact.  This “christian foundation” movement is a relatively recent development and in fact our country was founded by men on the basis of separation of church and state AND religious freedom.

Thomas Jefferson:
“It is always better to have no ideas than false ones:  to believe nothing, than to believe what is wrong.”

John Adams:
“I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved-- the Cross.  Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced.”

Thomas Paine---recently quoted by Bush at the last debate (lol)
“Of all the systems of religion that ever were invented, there is no more derogatory to the Almighty, more unedifying to man, more repugnant to reason, and more contradictory to itself than this thing called Christianity.”

James Madison
“During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial.  What have been its fruits?  More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry, and persecution.”

Abraham Lincoln
“When i do good, I feel good; when i do bad, i feel bad.  That is my religion.”

I would like to get a civil and open-minded response from Revelator---but i seriously doubt that would be possible.

As a side note, I’d like to mention that Jefferson, Adams and Madison were Unitarians (as for Lincoln, I have no idea) perhaps that’s where their (un)religious tolerence comes from.

Wow!  I am truly amazed.  Most of you comment how I don’t have but a “tiny brain” or even have one and yet when I defend myself with a couple of my irrelevant accomplishments, you get all over me about that.  Get over the accomplishments.  My purpose here now is to win as many souls as possible.  Christ said to be the salt and light of the earth.  As you know, salt is pretty irritating isn’t it.  Seeing how hostile most of you are, I’d say I’m striking a few nerves

Brock and Socialist;

I’m working on your questions.  I’ll get back with you later.  Thankyou for your nonbiligerency.  We’ll talk.

Bush made it to the White House with his tiny brain. Having accomplishments doesn’t mean you’re not small minded in many ways.

As for those of us whom you think have been belligerent to you, perhaps you should take a good look in the mirror. You know, do unto others...? The hypocrisy of you crying over a hostile reaction when you started off pretty hostile yourself is sadly amusing.

Good luck on your fishing for souls. Though you may want to try eBay. I’ve seen a few for sale on there from time to time.

Seeing how hostile most of you are, I’d say I’m striking a few nerves

Look, I’m afraid I may blow your cover, but we all know you’re an anti-Christian Right activist trying to mobilize the gay pinko commie masses. We only play along with you for the good cause.

*sigh* My poor soul doesn’t matter to the apologetics.  Brock and Stink are the Jews of SEB.

Yeah, whatever happened to Randall?  There was a sweetie.  One of the best examples of a true Christian.

My purpose here now is to win as many souls as possible.

By bragging, threatening, needling and pontificating?  Just how effective do you think THAT’S going to be?

No, you came here to try to pump up your ego, to prove to yourself how godly and righteous you are in comparison to atheists.  It isn’t working, is it?  Pretty soon you’ll go running back to your fellow Christians to lick your wounds and get the reassurance you so badly need, and then you’ll probably be back here to try again—with exactly the same results.  After a few rounds of this, you’ll get tired of being “oppressed” and find something else to do.

Revelator, there ain’t no “revelation” you’re going to be able to put over on us.  Really.  Knock yourself out all you like, but I’m telling you now so that you can’t say nobody warned you. 

It.  Won’t.  Work.

(Nowiser, I was caught in the Skippy/Smee schism and just went where my heart was.  As Smee says:  “Taunt the silly and self-righteous, that thou mayst amuse thyself; for nothing on this earth is so important as Having Fun whilst Smiting Superstition.” Sorry.  I hope we can still be friends as long as we don’t discuss Scripture.)

Seeing as we’re completely off topic at this point I’m thinking of closing this thread and starting an “Official SEB Use This Thread To Proselytize To Us So It Won’t Be Off-Topic Elsewhere” entry.

My poor soul doesn’t matter to the apologetics

Deadscot, I’m so sorry you feel left out. Perhaps you can try calling Revelator a latent homosexual?

Ok,

I apologize for my own aggrevated behavior.  I am a Christian, I do not claim to be perfect, infact I am far from it.  I tend to get passionate about Christ and inpatient with people I try to reason with that are totally unreasonable.  I regret that my behavior may have been less than desirable.  Even if I wasn’t, I doubt if you would have listened to me anyway.  Prove me wrong.

Dear Revelator;

I’m curious to read about how you feel about Islam!

I tend to get . . . impatient with people I try to reason with that are totally unreasonable.

Excellent!  Does this mean that you’re going to modify your approach to one which uses reason?  I guarantee that you would be welcomed with open arms, if so.  You might end up getting frustrated, and leaving, after trying your hand at it, but I assure you that if you utilize reason, you’ll be met with the same.

I regret that my behavior may have been less than desirable

Eh. *shrug* I doubt anyone cares that much.  It’s the internet.  Rudeness abounds because of the format.  Even the most reasonable of people occasionally indulge in emotional flailing.

Even if I wasn’t, I doubt if you would have listened to me anyway.  Prove me wrong.

Uh, give us a chance to give you a chance.  DB had his chance, as did Hires, as did David and Randall, and many more before them.  Eventually, they chose to break away from the debate, as their arguments were, in rapid succession, disassembled.

You have to realize too, Revelator, that in the absence of DB, Hires, David, Randall, etc., that the people on this board may be just itching to have a rational debate with someone.  By that, I don’t mean civil.  Civility is the precursor to rationality, not a substitute for it.  If you say something unreasonable, but you say it politely, that doesn’t necessarily make it true.

That’s why even -nice- proselytizers are probably dismissed out of hand by many on this board; they’re not saying anything that we haven’t heard before, and they’re not actually arguing a position either.

So, if a reasonable discourse is what you want to engage in, I think you probably -will- be able to find it here.

This thread IS getting a little hefty, though.  You might want to start one of your own, so that we can begin afresh.

Nowiser;

Thanks. I will try to improve.  It is just the warrior instinct.  I tend to be pretty fierce at times but at the same time I also realize that my acting that way will tend to drive away people and that is not my intent.  Thanks for listening.  I have to go to Kansas City for a few days--probably to the delight of most here.  I catch up later.

Brock; I’ll be happy to talk with you with no hostility. I promise.  If you would rather talk privately just leave your email address and we’ll go that route. 

Socialist:  The same invitation goes out to you.  I’ll be happy to talk with you.  I’ll will have a response to both of your questions when I get back from K.C.  Thanks.

Forester;

That is a good question that requires a long answer.  I’ll get back to you on that after I get back from Kansas City.  Thanks.

I guess i don’t get the honor of having Revelator respond to my post---I guess i must have hit a nerve with him.  Too bad, just reinforces my opinion of him.

It is just the warrior instinct

[Yodavoice]

A warrior’s instinct is to suppress ego and strike with calculated precision. 

I mean no disrespect but, so far, your instincts seem more consistent with those of a bar-room brawler.

[/Yodavoice]

Revelator,

Have fun in Kansas City, I’m actually quite willing to have this conversation in public.  I think it might engender some understanding between you (and perhaps other Christians who wander over here) and the rest of us who are less devote, or devote in faiths other than Christianity.  I’m actually quite curious as to why you believe in God (I’m assuming that even if you were born into a Christian household there had to be some point when you considered your beliefs and found sufficient reason to continue accepting them).

deadscot,

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*sigh* My poor soul doesn’t matter to the apologetics.  Brock and Stink are the Jews of SEB.

Colour me dense, but I don’t get the reference.

Colour me dense, but I don’t get the reference.

You two got yourselves singled out for a conversion attempt. Deadscot missed the cut, hence his lament that his soul doesn’t matter to Revelator.

Ah, yes I guess I am dense, that’s actually fairly apparent now that you mention it....

Seeing as we’ve broken the 120 reply mark (121 with this one) I’m going to close this thread and open up one specifically for believers who want to try and convert us heathens. So if you want to continue trying to convert us then please go here and have at it.