***Dave reviews “The Myth of a Christian Nation.”

Posted by Les on Sunday, January 28, 2007 at 11:03 PM. Read 1952 times. Tags: ,
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***Dave has a good write up on The Myth of a Christian Nation by Gregory A. Boyd that’s worth taking a gander at. Here’s a small snippet from his entry:

Gregory Boyd is a theologian and pastor of a large Protestant congregation in Minnesota. Disturbed by what he saw as increasing identification between the evangelical Christian church and the political right wing, he started in 2004 a series of sermons on “the cross and the sword,” arguing that such close ties were not only harmful to the church, but were against the message of Jesus. The result was a serious diminution of his congregation — but its strengthening and rebound, in numbers, since. And, of course, this book.

Myth of a Christian Nation is written by a Christian, primarily for Christians (though it has much of value to say for non-Christians, too). It is steeped in both citations from the Bible and in evangelical theology and terminology. It answers those who think that’s all Christianity’s about is taking over the reins of government, via the Religious Right, and turning the US into a theocracy (both to those who would seek such an occurrence and those who fear it).

I believe I wrote about Mr. Boyd awhile back praising him for his stance, but I didn’t know he was working on a book. Based on ***Dave’s positive review, however, I’m seriously hoping a lot of Christians will pick up a copy, read it, and carefully consider what he has to say. ***Dave gives a lengthy review of the book which has convinced me to put it on my Wish List.

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***Dave United States Posted on 01/29/2007 at 02:35 AM

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I daresay that if the majority of Christians followed the (persuasively Biblical) version of Christianity in their lives that Boyd presents, rather than pursuing the quasi-Christian civil religion of the Religious Right that Boyd warns against, most folks I know (including those around here) would find very little to object to about Christianity.

zilch Austria Posted on 01/29/2007 at 04:28 AM

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Knowing quite a few Christians whose belief is obviously a lot closer to that of Boyd than, say, Fred Phelps, I would agree with ***Dave.  While I enjoy breaking the lance with believers about the existence of God, it’s how people live that’s most important to me.  And there are lots of believers who make life better for all of us.

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Les United States Posted on 01/29/2007 at 01:20 PM

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I couldn’t agree more so I’ll leave it at that.

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Bog Brother United States Posted on 01/29/2007 at 01:48 PM

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I’d much rather Christians (and everyone) follow a single thing Jesus said:

“So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets. - Matthew 7:12”

We can leave all that other stuff behind if everyone just followed this nice, concise summary.

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Spocko United States Posted on 01/29/2007 at 09:28 PM

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Great review but not enough pix of ***Dave! tongue rolleye

***Dave United States Posted on 01/30/2007 at 01:09 AM

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Wait, let me put another one in here!

And, TAFKA Buzz:  Amen, brother.

Bob United States Posted on 02/04/2007 at 02:42 AM

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The problem with this book is that it is written for an audience that will never read it. “Christians” aren’t trying to make any government a theocracy. The problem we face is leaders taking advantage of religion to fulfill their own powerlust and greed. Leaders will not stop abusing God’s name for their own purposes just because someone tells them that it is unethical.

Patness Canada Posted on 02/04/2007 at 11:45 AM

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Bob, I generally agree with your statement, but there are “Christians” who want global dominion - many of whom believe that achieving this is a precondition for the Rapture, IIRC. That, and there are a LOT of Christians in leadership positions who feel that God’s law trumps Man’s law, who willingly play their subordinates into this position.

Leaders will not stop abusing God’s name for their own purposes just because someone tells them that it is unethical.

Too true - which is why Christians, real Christians, have to stop allowing themselves to be abused and stop substituting faith where it doesn’t belong. If leadership requires faith, it is insufficient. Good leadership demonstrates itself.

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Patness Canada Posted on 02/04/2007 at 11:45 AM

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Well, most times it demonstrates itself - sorry for the double-dip.

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LuckyJohn19 Australia Posted on 02/04/2007 at 06:14 PM

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Patness: Good leadership demonstrates itself ... most times ...

There doesn’t seem to be a vocal lot of ‘Good leadership’ about though but, there’s plenty of the other.
I especially like this from Pharyngula:

Important hint: if mentioning this [Fundamentalists imposing theocratic rule on a nation] to a fundie extremist, don’t use irony and sarcasm. Stupid people don’t understand irony. Any fundamentalists reading this, post questions — I’m sure my other readers will be able to explain it to you.

I am waiting for the day when our media treats

these nutballs as totally clownshoes poison—the only stories about them would mock their lunacy, rather than putting up a respectful facade.
For our politicians to denounce them as dishonest frauds who are dragging our country and the world into the sewer.
For our electorate to shun any politician who so much as shakes hands with one of these scamming hatemongers.

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