Could the Bush administration be up for war crimes charges?

Posted by Les on Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 07:10 AM. Read 420 times. Tags:
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It seems that that White House’s top lawyer seemed to think it was a possibility and raised the issue two years ago.

MSNBC - Memos Reveal War Crimes Warnings

The concern about possible future prosecution for war crimes—and that it might even apply to Bush administration officials themselves—is contained in a crucial portion of an internal January 25, 2002, memo by White House counsel Alberto Gonzales obtained by NEWSWEEK. It urges President George Bush declare the war in Afghanistan, including the detention of Taliban and Al Qaeda fighters, exempt from the provisions of the Geneva Convention.

In the memo, the White House lawyer focused on a little known 1996 law passed by Congress, known as the War Crimes Act, that banned any Americans from committing war crimes—defined in part as “grave breaches” of the Geneva Conventions. Noting that the law applies to “U.S.  officials” and that punishments for violators “include the death penalty,” Gonzales told Bush that “it was difficult to predict with confidence” how Justice Department prosecutors might apply the law in the future. This was especially the case given that some of the language in the Geneva Conventions—such as that outlawing “outrages upon personal dignity” and “inhuman treatment” of prisoners—was “undefined.”

It’s somewhat interesting to note that Gonzales specifically mentioned the GPW’s rules regarding “outrages upon personal dignity” and “inhuman treatment” as it implies that the Bush administration may have already been discussing interrogation tactics that might violate the War Crimes Act. Could it be that the attitude which made the current prisoner scandal possible may have come all the way from the top? If nothing else, Gonzales seems to have felt they were treading close enough to the line that Bush should take some steps to cover his ass:

One key advantage of declaring that Taliban and Al Qaeda fighters did not have Geneva Convention protections is that it “substantially reduces the threat of domestic criminal prosecution under the War Crimes Act,” Gonzales wrote.

“It is difficult to predict the motives of prosecutors and independent counsels who may in the future decide to pursue unwarranted charges based on Section 2441 [the War Crimes Act],” Gonzales wrote.

The best way to guard against such “unwarranted charges,” the White House lawyer concluded, would be for President Bush to stick to his decisionthen being strongly challenged by Secretary of State Powellח to exempt the treatment of captured Al Qaeda and Taliban fighters from Geneva convention provisions.

“Your determination would create a reasonable basis in law that (the War Crimes Act) does not apply which would provide a solid defense to any future prosecution,” Gonzales wrote.

The original memo along with Colin Powell’s dissenting opinion can be read in the Newsweek article I linked to.

Thanks to VernR for bringing this to my attention.

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Lordklegg Canada Posted on 05/19/2004 at 12:19 PM

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An excerpt from the memo on the downside of not applying Geneva.
“A determination that GPW does not apply
to Al Queda and the Taleban could undermine
U.S. military culture which emphasizes maintaining
the highest standards of conduct in combat,
and could introduce and element of uncertainty
in the status of adversaries.”

It’s slippery slope once you cross the line.
Did the mindset that Geneva doesn’t apply in Afghanistan lead to the problems in the Iraq prisons?

Brock United States Posted on 05/19/2004 at 04:00 PM

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Wait....he’s forming a thought...it’s...it’s..."Yummmm! Beer!”

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Les United States Posted on 05/19/2004 at 05:27 PM

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Mmmmmmmm. Beer.

Mmmmmmmm. Beer.

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Brock United States Posted on 05/19/2004 at 07:02 PM

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Well, see! You can do that! I don’t have Photoshop, so I can’t.

Now it looks like I wanted it to. Thanks!

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Omega United States Posted on 05/20/2004 at 01:53 AM

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Mmmm....Beer....

You see that’s the solution...the whole world should just get drunk…

Les United States Posted on 05/20/2004 at 05:34 AM

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I don’t have PhotoShop. Too expensive and I’ve never really figured out how to use the damned thing. I use a program called PhotoImpact. Costs around $89 last I checked and is a lot easier to figure out. Comes with a ton of plugins to do stuff that you’d have to do by hand in PhotoShop. Not as powerful as PhotoShop, but not bad for us talentless hacks.

Ironically, I can’t stand beer.

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Manzabar United States Posted on 05/20/2004 at 08:50 AM

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If you don’t have photoshop a free alternative is GIMP.  And before somebody complains that’s only for Linux; here’s the linux to the GIMP for Windows home page.

Les United States Posted on 05/20/2004 at 09:25 AM

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There is that too. I keep forgetting about GIMP. Never played with it, but I hear it’s pretty good.

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Brock United States Posted on 05/20/2004 at 01:29 PM

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Thanks for the GIMP info, Manzabar. No offense Les, but deciding between spending $89.00 and a free program - Well, I love freeware, especially since I don’t know how often I’ll use the program. Now to figure out how to work it.

Downside is that I still can’t upload from my computer to your site, regardless of what I create. That may be a good thing - for this site anyway. And yes, I know I should set up on-line storage but I’ve been told that the internet has reached capacity. Until someone gives up their allotment, I guess I’m out of luck.

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Les United States Posted on 05/20/2004 at 02:56 PM

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Not a problem, Brock. I won’t begrudge a man his Open Source software. As for online storage, check in with the PhotoShoppers at FARK.com and see what they’re using. There’s still a few spots out there offering free image hosting.

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KPatrickGlover United States Posted on 01/08/2005 at 09:37 PM

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Now there’s a rational, adult criticism for you. Sounds like the mentally retarded puppet on Crank Yankers.......

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Les United States Posted on 01/09/2005 at 01:39 AM

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Well, if nothing else, it made me laugh.

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zilch Austria Posted on 01/09/2005 at 03:34 PM

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Ironically, I can’t stand beer.

Ha! I knew I’d find out what’s wrong with you someday, Les!
And bullshit- I didn’t know this site had a mother it could fuck, or even that sites could fuck at all, not to mention that they consist of animal waste!  Thanks! You’ve really broadened my horizons!

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