Conversations with a dumbass.

Posted by Les on Wednesday, January 28, 2004 at 10:29 PM. Read 5763 times. Tags: , ,
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I write a fair amount about various Craptastic ProductsTM that people of questionable ethics (or sanity) attempt to foist off on the general public as legitimate items worthy of the ridiculously high price tag they carry. Things like that stupid Q-Ray bracelet and the equally ridiculous Philip Stein Teslar Watch and these entries often become pretty highly ranked on Google. As a result those entries get a lot of visitors looking for information and invariably this means that someone who’s a fan of one of these Craptastic ProductsTM will show up sooner or later and attempt to defend said product. Usually they do it in the comments, but sometimes they send me an email. Over the last day or two I’ve had the unique pleasure of receiving just such an email from one Preston Craven who took me to task for my criticism of the aforementioned watch that supposedly cancels out harmful EMF radiation from cell phones and the like. His emails, which I will reproduce below, are typical of many that I get on a semi-regular basis. Often they’re amusing. Especially when, as in Preston’s case, they make grandiose claims of “majoring in theoretical mathematics and physics” and yet they can’t manage simple punctuation, decent spelling or proper word spacing in their emails.

Here is the first email along with my response:

> while i am sure that u have read ad nausium about the
> teslar watch, i doubt very seriusly that you
> understand it!

Now there’s a claim I keep hearing over and over again on everything from this stupid watch to the nature of UFOs and how John Edward manages to talk to dead people. OK, I’m game. Enlighten me.

> it works on refined theories of quantum
> subtructures and physics...wich i doubt,very much that
> you can comprehend.

You’d be surprised at what I can comprehend. More than the average person, that’s for sure. My IQ of 135 should be good for something, but then claims like the above are common from people who wish to peddle their craptastic products as legitimate and worthwhile investments.

> if you had bothered to read the
> proof that NASA has gathered you may be
> convinced,watchout though,it is not lite reading!

I have yet to find any proof from NASA in regards to the Teslar watch. There’s nothing in the way of comments or proof on the Phillip Stein Teslar Watch website and there’s nothing I can locate at the official NASA website on teslar watches either. I notice you didn’t provide any links to purported proof from NASA either. Supposedly you’ve seen said proof so it shouldn’t be difficult to provide it.

> the
> teslar watch is an earth frequency generator that was
> originally designed to assist astronauts with space
> sickness,and it is proven to work, quite well!the EFG
> works by simulating the harmonic resonance feild of
> the earth, but you would not know anything about that
> would you…

Considering the only mention I can find of concepts such as an “earth frequency generator” or the “harmonic resonance field of the earth” is on “alternative” medicine websites and I can find no mention of such a things in any academic journals let alone anywhere on NASA’s webpage then I’d have to agree with you and say, yes, I wouldn’t know anything about those things as there doesn’t seem to be any scientific data on either of them.

> you sound like someone who has a grudge
> with the world,

Why? Because I don’t buy into bullshit products and I get angry when con-men try to pass them off as legit? I don’t have a grudge with the world, just a select few people within it.

> you DON’T understand the physics
> behind how the watch works,if you did, you would not
> be skeptical and understand that the watch is not
> bullshit.

Common claim and a really bad logical argument. I’m skeptical and think it’s bullshit precisely because I do have a good grasp of physics. I’d be more inclined to believe in it the less I understood. But if you can prove otherwise, feel free.

> in fact...i will admit that i felt the same
> way...at first. the doctor that i work for asked me to
> help her understand the finer points of how the watch
> worked, i am majoring in theoretical mathematics and
> physics, so i translated, at first i thought it was
> bullshit, until i read on,and on, and on. no offense,
> but there is no way the layman could possibly
> understand the vast theories on scalar quantities,
> anyway even after reading all the equations and
> crunching all the numbers, i was more convinced…

You’re majoring in theoretical mathematics and physics? At which University? It’s clear you’re not majoring in English or Communications based on this email. It’s great that you crunched all the numbers, surely you saved that data in some form of report so you could show it to doubters such as myself, yes? Or did you let all that effort studying and working the numbers go to waste? Anecdotes are nice and all, but they tend to be tremendously unreliable.

> but
> i am a show me kinda guy, so the doc made a deal with
> me,” wear it for a week, then say its malarky” so i
> took her up on it, i have not taken the watch off
> since!

And I should accept your judgment on the matter because… why exactly? Some yahoo sends me an email out of the blue claiming to have done all the work to prove this silly watch actually does what its makers claim despite being based on “pretend physics” and I’m just supposed to accept at face value that you’re the expert at theoretical mathematics and physics you claim to be and change my tune? I’d be happy to take a look at your research and all the effort you’ve put into this little venture, I’d be happy to consider reading any papers you can send me a link to that have been published by respected science journals or organizations, but I won’t just take your word for it no matter how many times you insult me.

> the watch works by augmenting the human
> electrical feild,you can actually see kirlian photos
> of this process taking place! photos taken by NASA’s
> finest!

Blah blah blah blah blah. Heard all this crap before. Kirlian photos aren’t much more than a cute parlor trick, scientifically speaking. Surely you can do better than that. If this shit is supposed to be so hard to understand then how is a simple trick like a Kirlian photo supposed to be convincing?

> you can argue all you want and i know that
> noone could ever convince you otherwise, but you are
> wrong, though i dont think you are the kind of man who
> could admit that.

Well I’m certainly not going to admit I’m wrong on the basis of the flimsy argument you’ve made in this email. You haven’t said anything I’ve not heard before, you’ve offered no outside data to verify your claims, you keep making reference to NASA without providing any proof and so on and so on. If you honestly don’t think anyone could ever convince me otherwise then why are you bothering to try? That’s pretty fucking stupid if you ask me. I thought you were supposed to be the smart one here? As for admitting I can be wrong, all I can say is my website is full of examples of me admitting I was wrong about something. Guess you don’t know me as well as you think you do.

> i suggest that you visit ELF
> labratories and look up a noted scientist who dveloped
> the real scalar watch, this stein watch is nothing
> more than a cheaper built more coslty version of the
> real thing!

ELF Laboratories as in the folks who produce the Light Beam Generator? Oh please. Don’t make me laugh.

> like i said, the scalar watch is a proven
> peice of technology whose healing benifits were
> discovered quite by accident, it involved a prototype of the power core being set down near a petrie dish of
> cultured lymphocytes,anyway,

I’ve yet to see any proof of its validity and you’ve not provided anything new in this email that would give me any reason to suspect any such proof exists.

> if you would take the
> time to look into it, i am sure you would see that
> energy medicine is the way of the future, however,
> people always attack what they do not understand, and
> you do not understand the process of how the scalar
> watch works,

Again, a common claim from those who would peddle their bullshit as being valid science. If I don’t understand something I’ll look into it before offering an opinion. I try my hardest not to attack things which I have little to no knowledge about, that’s not my style. I’m firmly of the belief that there’s a big difference between an opinion and an informed opinion. Try offering some proof instead of claiming to know what I do and don’t understand and then perhaps you’ll change my mind.

> let me rephrase that, you amy be right
> about this stein watch, but as far as the real
> thing"wich might i add that the real scalar watch does
> not cost anywere in the ballpark of what the stein
> watch costs” it works.

Sure thing, pal. I bet you’ve got your own pet unicorn in your backyard too. Does it wear a scalar watch as well?

> i know that you will probably
> just put this out there and bash the hell out of me,
> but if you do, i have the satisfaction of knowing that
> i am right about you and the scalar watch.

I wasn’t going to bother posting it to my website, but it’s so damned funny and I hate to disappoint your preconceptions about me so perhaps I will after all. Should be good for a laugh.

> P.S. you
> need to go straight to a website that will inform you
> on all you need to know about physics,after you read
> that, if you still dont believe,then i will only have
> been proven more right than you know,have fun!

And which website would that be then? I see you once again haven’t bothered to so much as name it, let alone provide a link to it. While you’re working on that degree in mathematics and physics you may want to consider taking a couple of courses in English and Logic as this email you sent was just fucking pathetic on both counts.

Nice talking with you.

Les

So some time passes and I eventually get the following two replies in short order:

like i said, u just prove me right with every jibe,
mr.bullshit

And....

135, wow impressive,so thats how you read the e-mail
lol,anyway thanx for the reply, at least i know you
read it

To which I replied with the following in a single response:

    Whatever makes you happy. I’ll note for the record, however, that you decided to cop out instead of providing any of the requested info or references. Which just validates my initial thoughts about you as well. So I suppose neither one of us is disappointed or surprised.

    Yep, I read it. I had little else better to do with my time and it was amusing enough in its own right. Studying theoretical mathematics, right, I believe that about as much as I believe that stupid watch works.

    Les

Time passes and he speaks once again…

blah,blah,blah,i gave you all you need to know,the way
i see it,you copped out by not bothering to try and
understand it,so like i said,every time u reply,i
forward the e-mail to other peers and we have a good
laugh,so i wouldmt bother to even try it, you are
after all alot of talk, have a nice day.

To which I offered the following:

    You didn’t give me jack shit. You claimed NASA had done all sorts of studies that proved it worked. You claimed it was clinically proven. You made a lot of claims without providing anything to back them up. Claims I can get from anyone. If you have proof then reveal it. If you don’t then you’ll just continue to respond in this same grammatically challenged manner. Put up or shut up. Anything else is just you wasting more hot air.

    What’s to understand? You didn’t offer up any details on how it was supposed to work. You did spew out a lot of pseudo-scientific gobbledy-gook such as the “Earth’s harmonic resonance field” and “kirlian photos,” but nothing in the way of a scientific explanation on how this supposed scalar technology actually works let alone any studies that seem to indicate it has any basis in reality.

    Like I said before, that’s hardly surprising.

    Forward away. It’s not like it bothers me to have people dumb enough to think there’s anything behind the Teslar Watch laughing at me. They say that ignorance is bliss, you guys must be one happy bunch.

    Les

Finally this evening I got the following:

man,give it up, you sound more lame with every
e-mail,you sre starting to sound like your grasping at
straws,oh,by the way,your address has been blocked,in
fact anyone who is not in my address book can no
longer send me e-mails,your desperate attempts to make
yourself feel intelligent were beginning to crowd my
mailbox,it will still say that i am receiving them but
they will be filtered out by my server,so tah tah,have
fun...inch

I couldn’t resist a parting shot so I replied back with:

    Now why is this not surprising? When confronted with a challenge to prove your bullshit you run like a scared puppy. Fucking sad.

    Les

It didn’t bounce so I’m assuming he got it, not that it actually matters either way. This fellow is a perfect example of the “loyal parrot” syndrome that seems commonplace among the true believers. They show up, spew out the same nonsense you could read for yourself in the Craptastic Product’s sales brochure, make big claims of being authorities on subjects that you couldn’t possibly ever hope to understand, and then run for the hills the moment you ask them to back up their bullshit with some hard facts all the while sputtering about how asking them to prove their shit don’t stink just shows how right they are.

It’s hard to judge whether these people actually believe this crap or are just the ones actually trying to sell it so they want you to think they really believe this crap. I’m sure there’s a little of both that show up from time to time. Fun reading, eh?

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Les United States Posted on 10/11/2006 at 08:59 AM

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I wasn’t immediately aware he was from SomethingAwful until he changed his screen name. It’s definitely one of my favorite sites to drop by on occasion. I particularly enjoy their Photoshop contests and have linked to a couple in the past.

Good site. Lots of fun to read.

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AntiCrank United States Posted on 10/11/2006 at 11:45 AM

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SomethingAwful’s pretty old. But like vintage wine, their entries get better and better. Their parody is unrivalled in sheer hilarity.

The only other group that appears to come close is yours. smile

AntiCrank United States Posted on 10/11/2006 at 11:51 AM

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The things Wikipedia can reveal to you. smile

The King Moderator United States Posted on 10/12/2006 at 10:11 PM

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In all my years of browsing SEB, I never saw a more crappastic snakewagon than what SA just posted. That magickmachine crapper is really full of shit! I can’t believe the extent that they’d go to scam you with materials they sourced from the local pharmacy.

Check this out.

The Chionmax is a portable life force energy generating device that is small enough to slip into a pocket, yet incorporates the same orgone, scalar electromagnetic, photonic, sound, primary energy, sacred geometry and shape power technologies that are used in much larger and more expensive units found in the market today. It is the perfect subtle energy tool to complement metaphysical work when traveling or being in situations where access to electrical power is restricted or otherwise unavailable. Applications include meditation, manifestation, ritual work, subtle body healing, protective shielding against negativity and psychic attacks, clearing, balancing and revitalizing the energies at home or in the work area, and others too numerous to mention.

All that can be done by a -drum roll- modified pillbox??? That chiomax is the very pillbox I carry my viagra with.And they charge $150???!!

HOHA!!

I really must drop their webmaster a line. This is too good to pass by.

ScamBags

SomethingAwful United States Posted on 10/13/2006 at 09:50 AM

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I wasn’t immediately aware he was from SomethingAwful until he changed his screen name.

I don’t always use SomethingAwful as my screen name. It’s gotten me banned on more than a score of sites. They think I’m there to spy on em and write their obit on my site.

:D

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AntiCrank United States Posted on 10/14/2006 at 09:58 PM

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All that can be done by a -drum roll- modified pillbox??? That chiomax is the very pillbox I carry my viagra with.And they charge $150???!!
HOHA!!
I really must drop their webmaster a line. This is too good to pass by.

The pillbox chiomax doesn’t bother me so much. At least it can be used as a gag bomb.

But what gets my goat is the scam harmonizer at magickmachines.com. It’s a regular crystal some fengshui shops sell for $50. The fuckin scam hoaxters at magickmachines.com cons people with prices at $150. That’s more than 200% profit.

Don’t they know people do comparative shopping?! Google coughs up prices in a second. Who’s gonna buy their horseshit product then?

If you’re feeling really dumb, it’s cool to get some earhpones and pump in the 5D crappa sounds from oxygenresearch. At just $29, you get a room full of synthetic oxygen coming from CDs.

YEAH!

SomethingAwful United States Posted on 10/18/2006 at 10:53 PM

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Don’t they know people do comparative shopping?! Google coughs up prices in a second. Who’s gonna buy their horseshit product then?

Snakeoil peddlers like magickmachines target the lazy and therefore expect their market to buy before doing reasonable background study.

I like your site crank.net. Helps everyone see the light despite the laziness going around.

Thing is, you haven’t been updating recently. Having too much fun at SEB?

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Lass United States Posted on 10/24/2006 at 11:19 PM

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your reviewers did a good hackjob on the scams of magickmachines.com and http://www.cheniere.org. Outstanding humor man.

But I got this error message upon returning to forums.somethingawful.com

OH PIGPANTS, WHAT WILL BECOME OF YOUR PRECIOUS FORUMS!?
We’re sorry, but as far as you know, the Something Awful Forums are currently undergoing maintenance. Please let feelings of insecurity wash over you, we will return to your regularly scheduled programming as soon as possible, although we are not really in a hurry to do so.

Thank you for your impatience.
Please do not try again by pressing the refresh button in your browser.

An E-Mail has not actually been dispatched to our Technical Staff, who you should also not bother to contact if the problem persists since they are pretty horrible and just delete emails as they arrive.

We apologise for any inconvenience, but with questionable sincerity.

What’s wrong?

SomethingAwful United States Posted on 10/29/2006 at 09:46 AM

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Weeding out inactives.

Waste of SQL. :D

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Grinning Boy United States Posted on 10/31/2006 at 05:47 AM

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Seeing that this is an anti-scam thread would any one have some reviews on IonCleanse?

I found a few threads on the web, but very few feedback

The greedy site --> http://www.ioncleanse.com/
Negative reviews --> http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=16927
Negative reviews --> http://www.shamelessreviews.com/2006/09/01/crud-of-the-month-september-2006/

Or did Les post about this somewhere already

Obsessive Compulsive Philippines Posted on 10/31/2006 at 10:43 AM

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Looks like more scam-oil in the vein of magickmachines and teslar.

Les United States Posted on 10/31/2006 at 11:43 AM

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I’ve not written about IonClense previously, but glancing at their website the first thing I see that sets off red flags are the words “alternative healing arts” right on the front page of the site.

Looking closer at the site it appears that IonClense is basically a water electrolysis system which they claim cleanses the body:

    AC electricity is converted to low power DC electricity which flows through a patented electrode system that sits in the footbath. The electricity and the metal combine to split the water molecule into H+ and OH- ions. These ions travel through the body, neutralize oppositely charged particles and through powerful osmotic pressure pull those neutralized particles out of the body through whatever skin surface is in contact with the water.

Sounds like bullshit to me. I’m short on time at the moment, but the two sites you listed seem to have summarized things pretty well.

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SomethingAwful United States Posted on 11/01/2006 at 12:07 PM

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I’d still like to hear Les dissect this hogwash in the uniquely vintage deconstructive style.

wink

Go for it?

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Bob United States Posted on 11/01/2006 at 03:41 PM

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Dude, you just don’t understand the physics! The quantum sub-space resonance counteracts the harmful effects of the anti oxidizing radiation!

I tried to incorporate some Chloe from “24” bullshit, but it appears that my mind automatically discards anything that nasty. I couldn’t think of anything, so I asked myself, what would Fox do? I compiled a list of physics/sci-fi related adjectives and nouns and threw them together randomly into a sentence.

SomethingAwful Poland Posted on 11/05/2006 at 11:52 AM

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For a moment there, I think I lost my marbles.

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Ass Less Germany Posted on 11/06/2006 at 10:31 PM

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Good posts dude.

I recall hearing that you can get at least something of value out of some sites, no matter how crappy. Whoever said that clearly never had his hard drive infected by the website MagickMachines.com

Reading MagickMachines is like taking a long bus ride sitting next to someone who bathed in poop - it’s not just bad, it’s repugnant and despcable. Even the most devout Xtian would undoubtedly find the torture of reading this site unbearable.

**** Warning ****

The following quoted passages on gaining wishes may cause nausea, vomiting, your eyes to bleed or your head to assplode:

Every Magick Machines device is designed to provide the user with the ability to connect energetically with the subject of the manipulation. This can be anything, anytime and anywhere in the universe, since space and time are transcended in this operation. Once this connection is established, the user can direct the device to broadcast his or her intention to the subject. Intentions are limited only by the user’s imagination, some examples of which are inducing a meditative state, attracting love, luck and prosperity, creating a protective shield against negative energies, clearing, balancing and revitalizing the energies at home or in the work area, and developing psychic abilities. Finally, the operation is fueled by a continuous stream of potent life force energy generated by the device. Simple and straight to the point, with amazing results. Magick has never been this easy nor this much fun!

Yup, that about covers everything one needs to know about getting really lucky in life. In fact, I think you’re just about ready to make $800k a year using the stupid gadgets on that site.I’m actually pissed my nephew bought one!! @^!*#!#

The rest of the site is almost entirely plugged in with google links, blatant keyword spamming and pathetically worded product-sell pages. MacgickMachines.com forces tips at the end to include claptrap hogwash with no basis as:

Silver
Silver is highly synergistic with life energies. In this regard, it is second only to gold. Silver is highly compatible with crystals because it is able to both attract and retain unto itself the qualities of the crystals. It provides a steadying influence for the crystal. It draws forth negativity from the body and directs the energy of minerals where it is needed. In the process, vital energy centers are opened, stimulated, cleared, and activated. It also assists in expanding awareness, helps to regulate the emotional and intuitive energies and provides one with patience and perserverance in chosen tasks.

This crappastic site cost me a lot. I don’t mean by buying it - I didn’t purchase it. I don’t mean the 30 minutes of my life that I will never get back; the one that is gone forever and will scar my psyche like a Catholic Priest does a 6-year old boy. I mean it cost me money because I had to take action against the MagickMachines jpeg file that resided on my hard drive and against the notebook that did not know better than to expose me to it.

It was not enough to just delete the internet cache and trails, reformat and scrub my hard drive 7 times. Such trivial precautions are reserved for less malicious files like the Michaelangelo or Blaster Worm. Further action was required:

http://www.ruggednotebooks.com/detail/Talon-new/caffe-s.JPG

If this site succeeds on one front it is through FORGETFULLNESS. The one wise thing the Scammers did was neglect to sign their names - we’ll give them points for that: 5 points. As for the other 902013 words, well . . .they at least serve to reinforce the axiom that “it is better to keep quiet and have people think you’re stupid than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.”

MagickMachines promulgate misinformation by uninformed, self-proclaimed-experts while devaluing people’s willingness to pay for worthwile genuine self-help services. Blight like this must be vetted to protect the integrity of the legitimate information marketplace.

Would I recommend the strange gadgets they sell? I would sooner send a friend a Ebola coated CD that executes root delete on boot and post crapper videos of his great grandaddy than willingly expose him to this abomination.

SomethingAwful Germany Posted on 11/08/2006 at 01:11 AM

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That’s gotta win Funniest Post of The Month!

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Les United States Posted on 11/08/2006 at 09:57 AM

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Yeah, though it’s a bit old for that. I originally posted this back in 2004. grin

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GrungeRock United States Posted on 11/17/2006 at 11:04 PM

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What was posted back 2004? Teslar?

Les United States Posted on 11/17/2006 at 11:37 PM

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The original entry.

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AntiCrank United States Posted on 11/21/2006 at 12:12 AM

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Like they say: Imitation = Sincere form of flattery.

Anyway, gotta admit that the adaptation made for a coolastic review of the scamtastic magickmachines.com

k brown United States Posted on 02/10/2007 at 11:27 PM

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This is what Teslar claims: You claim it is crap do you have evidence of that? If so please forward because I found a Teslar watch for 89.00 and wanted to buy for my husband.

[Big Sales Pitch for Teslar deleted by the management]

Les United States Posted on 02/11/2007 at 03:26 AM

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Please don’t reprint their stupid sales bullshit in my comments section.

They’re the ones making the claim the watch does as it says so the burden of proof is on them, but try asking them for it and you’ll get more nonsense full of buzzwords that don’t mean a thing.

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LuckyJohn19 Australia Posted on 02/11/2007 at 04:34 AM

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K. Brown
I advice you to by the whatch for your huband.
I’ve had one for nearly five yaears and my boyfiend says I am almost saine.
I’m even thikning about grils.

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Last_Hussar Great Britain (UK) Posted on 02/11/2007 at 03:35 PM

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Dear Mrs Brown, send me $59.99 and I will reveal the secret of getting gullible people to send you money.

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