Conversations with a dumbass.

Posted by Les on Wednesday, January 28, 2004 at 10:29 PM. Read 6619 times. Tags: , ,
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I write a fair amount about various Craptastic ProductsTM that people of questionable ethics (or sanity) attempt to foist off on the general public as legitimate items worthy of the ridiculously high price tag they carry. Things like that stupid Q-Ray bracelet and the equally ridiculous Philip Stein Teslar Watch and these entries often become pretty highly ranked on Google. As a result those entries get a lot of visitors looking for information and invariably this means that someone who’s a fan of one of these Craptastic ProductsTM will show up sooner or later and attempt to defend said product. Usually they do it in the comments, but sometimes they send me an email. Over the last day or two I’ve had the unique pleasure of receiving just such an email from one Preston Craven who took me to task for my criticism of the aforementioned watch that supposedly cancels out harmful EMF radiation from cell phones and the like. His emails, which I will reproduce below, are typical of many that I get on a semi-regular basis. Often they’re amusing. Especially when, as in Preston’s case, they make grandiose claims of “majoring in theoretical mathematics and physics” and yet they can’t manage simple punctuation, decent spelling or proper word spacing in their emails.

Here is the first email along with my response:

> while i am sure that u have read ad nausium about the
> teslar watch, i doubt very seriusly that you
> understand it!

Now there’s a claim I keep hearing over and over again on everything from this stupid watch to the nature of UFOs and how John Edward manages to talk to dead people. OK, I’m game. Enlighten me.

> it works on refined theories of quantum
> subtructures and physics…wich i doubt,very much that
> you can comprehend.

You’d be surprised at what I can comprehend. More than the average person, that’s for sure. My IQ of 135 should be good for something, but then claims like the above are common from people who wish to peddle their craptastic products as legitimate and worthwhile investments.

> if you had bothered to read the
> proof that NASA has gathered you may be
> convinced,watchout though,it is not lite reading!

I have yet to find any proof from NASA in regards to the Teslar watch. There’s nothing in the way of comments or proof on the Phillip Stein Teslar Watch website and there’s nothing I can locate at the official NASA website on teslar watches either. I notice you didn’t provide any links to purported proof from NASA either. Supposedly you’ve seen said proof so it shouldn’t be difficult to provide it.

> the
> teslar watch is an earth frequency generator that was
> originally designed to assist astronauts with space
> sickness,and it is proven to work, quite well!the EFG
> works by simulating the harmonic resonance feild of
> the earth, but you would not know anything about that
> would you…

Considering the only mention I can find of concepts such as an “earth frequency generator” or the “harmonic resonance field of the earth” is on “alternative” medicine websites and I can find no mention of such a things in any academic journals let alone anywhere on NASA’s webpage then I’d have to agree with you and say, yes, I wouldn’t know anything about those things as there doesn’t seem to be any scientific data on either of them.

> you sound like someone who has a grudge
> with the world,

Why? Because I don’t buy into bullshit products and I get angry when con-men try to pass them off as legit? I don’t have a grudge with the world, just a select few people within it.

> you DON’T understand the physics
> behind how the watch works,if you did, you would not
> be skeptical and understand that the watch is not
> bullshit.

Common claim and a really bad logical argument. I’m skeptical and think it’s bullshit precisely because I do have a good grasp of physics. I’d be more inclined to believe in it the less I understood. But if you can prove otherwise, feel free.

> in fact…i will admit that i felt the same
> way…at first. the doctor that i work for asked me to
> help her understand the finer points of how the watch
> worked, i am majoring in theoretical mathematics and
> physics, so i translated, at first i thought it was
> bullshit, until i read on,and on, and on. no offense,
> but there is no way the layman could possibly
> understand the vast theories on scalar quantities,
> anyway even after reading all the equations and
> crunching all the numbers, i was more convinced…

You’re majoring in theoretical mathematics and physics? At which University? It’s clear you’re not majoring in English or Communications based on this email. It’s great that you crunched all the numbers, surely you saved that data in some form of report so you could show it to doubters such as myself, yes? Or did you let all that effort studying and working the numbers go to waste? Anecdotes are nice and all, but they tend to be tremendously unreliable.

> but
> i am a show me kinda guy, so the doc made a deal with
> me,“ wear it for a week, then say its malarky” so i
> took her up on it, i have not taken the watch off
> since!

And I should accept your judgment on the matter because… why exactly? Some yahoo sends me an email out of the blue claiming to have done all the work to prove this silly watch actually does what its makers claim despite being based on “pretend physics” and I’m just supposed to accept at face value that you’re the expert at theoretical mathematics and physics you claim to be and change my tune? I’d be happy to take a look at your research and all the effort you’ve put into this little venture, I’d be happy to consider reading any papers you can send me a link to that have been published by respected science journals or organizations, but I won’t just take your word for it no matter how many times you insult me.

> the watch works by augmenting the human
> electrical feild,you can actually see kirlian photos
> of this process taking place! photos taken by NASA’s
> finest!

Blah blah blah blah blah. Heard all this crap before. Kirlian photos aren’t much more than a cute parlor trick, scientifically speaking. Surely you can do better than that. If this shit is supposed to be so hard to understand then how is a simple trick like a Kirlian photo supposed to be convincing?

> you can argue all you want and i know that
> noone could ever convince you otherwise, but you are
> wrong, though i dont think you are the kind of man who
> could admit that.

Well I’m certainly not going to admit I’m wrong on the basis of the flimsy argument you’ve made in this email. You haven’t said anything I’ve not heard before, you’ve offered no outside data to verify your claims, you keep making reference to NASA without providing any proof and so on and so on. If you honestly don’t think anyone could ever convince me otherwise then why are you bothering to try? That’s pretty fucking stupid if you ask me. I thought you were supposed to be the smart one here? As for admitting I can be wrong, all I can say is my website is full of examples of me admitting I was wrong about something. Guess you don’t know me as well as you think you do.

> i suggest that you visit ELF
> labratories and look up a noted scientist who dveloped
> the real scalar watch, this stein watch is nothing
> more than a cheaper built more coslty version of the
> real thing!

ELF Laboratories as in the folks who produce the Light Beam Generator? Oh please. Don’t make me laugh.

> like i said, the scalar watch is a proven
> peice of technology whose healing benifits were
> discovered quite by accident, it involved a prototype of the power core being set down near a petrie dish of
> cultured lymphocytes,anyway,

I’ve yet to see any proof of its validity and you’ve not provided anything new in this email that would give me any reason to suspect any such proof exists.

> if you would take the
> time to look into it, i am sure you would see that
> energy medicine is the way of the future, however,
> people always attack what they do not understand, and
> you do not understand the process of how the scalar
> watch works,

Again, a common claim from those who would peddle their bullshit as being valid science. If I don’t understand something I’ll look into it before offering an opinion. I try my hardest not to attack things which I have little to no knowledge about, that’s not my style. I’m firmly of the belief that there’s a big difference between an opinion and an informed opinion. Try offering some proof instead of claiming to know what I do and don’t understand and then perhaps you’ll change my mind.

> let me rephrase that, you amy be right
> about this stein watch, but as far as the real
> thing"wich might i add that the real scalar watch does
> not cost anywere in the ballpark of what the stein
> watch costs” it works.

Sure thing, pal. I bet you’ve got your own pet unicorn in your backyard too. Does it wear a scalar watch as well?

> i know that you will probably
> just put this out there and bash the hell out of me,
> but if you do, i have the satisfaction of knowing that
> i am right about you and the scalar watch.

I wasn’t going to bother posting it to my website, but it’s so damned funny and I hate to disappoint your preconceptions about me so perhaps I will after all. Should be good for a laugh.

> P.S. you
> need to go straight to a website that will inform you
> on all you need to know about physics,after you read
> that, if you still dont believe,then i will only have
> been proven more right than you know,have fun!
 
And which website would that be then? I see you once again haven’t bothered to so much as name it, let alone provide a link to it. While you’re working on that degree in mathematics and physics you may want to consider taking a couple of courses in English and Logic as this email you sent was just fucking pathetic on both counts.

Nice talking with you.

Les

So some time passes and I eventually get the following two replies in short order:

like i said, u just prove me right with every jibe,
mr.bullshit

And….

135, wow impressive,so thats how you read the e-mail
lol,anyway thanx for the reply, at least i know you
read it

To which I replied with the following in a single response:

    Whatever makes you happy. I’ll note for the record, however, that you decided to cop out instead of providing any of the requested info or references. Which just validates my initial thoughts about you as well. So I suppose neither one of us is disappointed or surprised. Yep, I read it. I had little else better to do with my time and it was amusing enough in its own right. Studying theoretical mathematics, right, I believe that about as much as I believe that stupid watch works. Les

Time passes and he speaks once again…

blah,blah,blah,i gave you all you need to know,the way
i see it,you copped out by not bothering to try and
understand it,so like i said,every time u reply,i
forward the e-mail to other peers and we have a good
laugh,so i wouldmt bother to even try it, you are
after all alot of talk, have a nice day.

To which I offered the following:

    You didn’t give me jack shit. You claimed NASA had done all sorts of studies that proved it worked. You claimed it was clinically proven. You made a lot of claims without providing anything to back them up. Claims I can get from anyone. If you have proof then reveal it. If you don’t then you’ll just continue to respond in this same grammatically challenged manner. Put up or shut up. Anything else is just you wasting more hot air. What’s to understand? You didn’t offer up any details on how it was supposed to work. You did spew out a lot of pseudo-scientific gobbledy-gook such as the “Earth’s harmonic resonance field” and “kirlian photos,“ but nothing in the way of a scientific explanation on how this supposed scalar technology actually works let alone any studies that seem to indicate it has any basis in reality. Like I said before, that’s hardly surprising. Forward away. It’s not like it bothers me to have people dumb enough to think there’s anything behind the Teslar Watch laughing at me. They say that ignorance is bliss, you guys must be one happy bunch. Les

Finally this evening I got the following:

man,give it up, you sound more lame with every
e-mail,you sre starting to sound like your grasping at
straws,oh,by the way,your address has been blocked,in
fact anyone who is not in my address book can no
longer send me e-mails,your desperate attempts to make
yourself feel intelligent were beginning to crowd my
mailbox,it will still say that i am receiving them but
they will be filtered out by my server,so tah tah,have
fun…inch

I couldn’t resist a parting shot so I replied back with:

    Now why is this not surprising? When confronted with a challenge to prove your bullshit you run like a scared puppy. Fucking sad. Les

It didn’t bounce so I’m assuming he got it, not that it actually matters either way. This fellow is a perfect example of the “loyal parrot” syndrome that seems commonplace among the true believers. They show up, spew out the same nonsense you could read for yourself in the Craptastic Product’s sales brochure, make big claims of being authorities on subjects that you couldn’t possibly ever hope to understand, and then run for the hills the moment you ask them to back up their bullshit with some hard facts all the while sputtering about how asking them to prove their shit don’t stink just shows how right they are.

It’s hard to judge whether these people actually believe this crap or are just the ones actually trying to sell it so they want you to think they really believe this crap. I’m sure there’s a little of both that show up from time to time. Fun reading, eh?

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Sonny Parlin United States Posted on 01/28/2004 at 10:44 PM

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Wow, what an idiot… I’ll bet he believes that Flight 19 is still flying around lost somewhere… maybe in earth’s harmonic resonance field.

Great read mate!

-Sonny

nowiser United States Posted on 01/28/2004 at 11:25 PM

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Say, Les, I’ve got this alien butt-probe prevention device, the Scamalotopeeple(TM), and I absolutely guarantee that as long as you have this thing strapped across your nether regions that you will not, absolutely NOT, get probed in the ass by aliens.

For only 2 grand, you gotta admit, it’s a DEAL!

[Please note, the Scamalotapeeple(TM) guarantees to prevent alien anal probage—no guarantees are made in regards to non-alien anal probage, or alien probage in other orifices.)

Ah, I can always count on SEB to brighten my day!

Greg United States Posted on 01/29/2004 at 02:55 AM

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Thanks for the good laugh, Les.
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large, stupid groups. And beware when one of them strays from the herd, as this guy seems to have done. wink

Will Great Britain (UK) Posted on 01/29/2004 at 05:33 AM

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Les mate . Nicely done mate. This dumbass is obviously one of the gullible drones out there OR one of the people behind these scams. Either way I hope his asrsehole heals over .

Good luck to you mate and thanks for csharing this story .
Will , UK

Sam Canada Posted on 01/29/2004 at 05:56 AM

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You know, it’s for this exact kind of post that this is the only blog belonging to a person I don’t know that I read on a regular basis.

Out of curiosity, how many of these parrot emails do you get in a day? :D

EricS United States Posted on 01/29/2004 at 06:12 AM

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Les, I’m with you and your quest to get that clown to back up his BS, but he’s not from our world. He’s from the world of credit-cards maxxed out, nights spent drinking and bragging about how much money he hauls in from spam, girlfriends with cold sores on their lips, small japanese cars with woofers that cost more than the rent (which is why he lives at home). He’s got no clue, his parents never loved him, and he’s not really in school, since he only managed a 330 on his SATs. Now these might be far-fetched assumptions on my part, but when it comes to people who are so willing to slam others while attempting to purvey their own BS, it’s usually true that something besides intelligence has been severely lacking in their lives.

But then what do I know? I open every spam I get, buy every product, and enjoy the benefits of having my willie extended by three inches as I lose weight and make her smile. And my drugs are all available without an Rx. But of course I wouldnt have known that if I hadnt had on my special watch. After all, I am the public that these bullshit artists actually believe exists. I wouldnt have thought that if it were not for the 40 spam emails I get per day.

Ok, time to go buy some anti-spam software from a spammer.

Eric S

Tish Australia Posted on 01/29/2004 at 06:23 AM

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This idiot sounds like he had a spare few minutes at the library(after pawing through the Women’s magazines looking for underwear ads)and got out a physics text book and jotted down random words from the index.
Resonance is a real event in electronics, but this kid understands jack-shit about science.
If he is really a student, any lecturer or tutor who read one of his reports would die laughing.

Les United States Posted on 01/29/2004 at 06:45 AM

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Sonny, I’d forgotten all about the story of Flight 19. Wow, that brings back memories.

Nowiser, I hope your Scamalotopeeple(TM) device doesn’t violate any of my (pending) patents on my Anti-Alien Anal Probe Ass Shield[tm]. I’d hate to have to file a lengthy and expensive lawsuit to protect my scam product from your imitation scam product! grin

Greg, the power of stupid people is truly stupefying at times. Sorry, bad pun.

Will, I think your solution would lead to some rather messy cleanups in the long run. Besides, he’s already full of shit. A better solution would be a lifetime spent on an island surrounded by all the useless craptastic products he ever tried to push off on anyone else and nothing else.

Sam, it’s a semi-regular thing. I’ll go awhile without hearing much of anything other than perhaps a one-shot note from an angry fan and then I’ll get someone like Preston here who actually responds more than once. The watch thread has responses from a number of people, many of whom use several correctly spelled words, who have shown up to try and defend the product. The John Edward entries get the same kind of attention from time to time.

Eric, those spams trying to sell me anti-spam software are the best examples of irony one could ever have land in his inbox uninvited.

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Etan United States Posted on 01/29/2004 at 08:10 AM

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This Teslar watch, where can I get one. His solid argumentation skills have sold me!

smile

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*** Dave United States Posted on 01/29/2004 at 09:14 AM

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Well, I suspect there are a number of folks “majoring in theoretical mathematics and physics” who can’t write an English sentence worth a damn, so I can’t critique him on that basis.

On the other hand, he sounds like a loon.  Well played.

My only question is, if this is such fabulously advenced technology and science, based on wildly esoteric and sophisticated theories, why is it the only application seems to be these craptacular and inexpensive watches?

Les United States Posted on 01/29/2004 at 12:03 PM

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One would think that any serious student of theoretical mathematics and physics would be required to write some hefty essays, but I suppose the professors could be allowing their standards to slip.

There are other “products” out there that make the same claims based on the same pseudo-science, but these watches are certainly the best looking of all these gadgets. One site I found these watches for sale on had prices ranging from $99 for a basic lady’s style to $399 for one of the men’s styles. Admittedly, I have a hard time paying more than $25 for a standard watch that doesn’t do anything but tell the damned time so a $99 watch had better live up to its claims if they expect me to buy one.

Another example of other a similar craptastic product you can waste your money on is the QLink Pendant with Sympathetic Resonance Technology for $199. The sales pitch says the following:

    “QLink picks up your own frequencies and harmonizes them with the earth’s natural frequency, then amplifies them with electronic components to create a protective shield against environmental pollution. In this way the body’s energy field is combined with and reinforced by the earth’s harmonic resonance field helping one cope with energy overload. QLink protects 4 feet in front and 7 feet behind when it is worn around the neck. It acts very much like a filter, reducing the harmful frequencies when they come within the protective radius of your body. Many people feel this difference right away and report a greater sense of well being. Common testimonials from clients: 1. Less fatigue, more energy, no longer depressed, no more food cravings. 2. Reports of clients wearing metals and walking through airport metal detection machines and not being detected!“

Wearing a QLink allows you to carry metal objects through a metal detector and not be detected? I’m sure there’s a lot of terrorists out there that would love to get their hands on that technology!

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EricS United States Posted on 01/29/2004 at 03:45 PM

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Wait a minute! I didnt get the spam on that one yet. Les, that’s a must-have!

It’ll lift my mood and energy?
I wont have the munchies anymore?
And, I can go over to LaGuardia and get through Security with a stun-gun and a ...
Wait a second! Maybe that lady that got through with the stungun was wearing a QLink.

The blurb on that thing is so convincing.

Les, there is truly no limit to how far people will go to fleece the public. Selling the public on the idea of WMDs, or QLinks, same difference. If the BS that arrives in your inbox is SPAM, then what shall we call the BS the government is putting out there? How about TANG? I can think of a few ways to use it as an acronym.

Eric

Justin Canada Posted on 01/30/2004 at 08:30 AM

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Also reminds me of one incident several years ago when I was a kid.  A
vaccuum cleaner salesman came over to demonstrate a new vaccuum cleaner
and convince my family that it was better than our current machine.  My
father was challenging him on every one of his claims, and at one point,
the salesman said “the filter in this vaccuum cleaner never needs to be
cleaned or changed!“.  My father just looked back at him and said “well
then, either the vaccuum cleaner isn’t sucking up any dirt, or the dirt is
just blowing right through it and out the exit air vents again.“

The salesman just stood there, with the most priceless “oh, I guess this
guy is kinda smart after all” expression.

Needless to say, we didn’t buy his vaccuum cleaner.  But we had a good
laugh while we wasted about an hour of his time.

Ingolfson Germany Posted on 01/30/2004 at 02:47 PM

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Say, is there ANY serious research that indicates that geomagnetic energy fields affect humans in measurable ways?

I mean dowsing and such COULD have a realistic explanation. And electric fields in the atmosphere have been shown to have a strong statistical correlation with (for example) a serious increase in traffic accidents (studies made in southern germany).

So does anybody know anything about that?

Ingolfson

Les United States Posted on 01/30/2004 at 03:47 PM

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There have been many experiments and studies that do show physiological reactions in humans when in the presence of really strong magnetic fields, but nothing that indicates these effects are damaging or lasting and these were artificially generated fields.

Consider the MRI technology commonly used for diagnosing various medical problems in many hospitals. One of the strongest scanners is the Philips 3T MRI that has a magnetic field strength of 3.0 Tesla which translates to roughly 60,000 times stronger than the magnetic field of the earth. Millions of patients have had MRIs done on this device and millions more on the lower powered 1.5 Tesla MRIs to no ill-effect. The University of Pittsburgh Medical Center has the following info on the effects of static magnetic fields on humans:

It is clear that numerous structures within humans are known to be affected by static magnetic fields including, among others, the retina, pineal gland, and some cells in the paranasal sinuses.  Affected, however, is not the same as harmful, or teratogenic/carcinogenic.

It has been repeatedly demonstrated that (especially sickled) red blood cells will alter their shape and alignment relative to an external magnetic field.  Nevertheless, the magnitude of this response is so small that it is probably not of clinical significance in humans.

The photoreceptor cells of the eye known are known to align in the presence of magnetic fields of the strength used in clinical MR imaging systems.  This, too, does not seem to result in any detectable clinical effects.

Magnetophosphenes (visual stimuli) have also been reported from motion of the globe/retina in the presence of a sufficiently strong static magnetic field.  Once again, however, this is not necessarily a harmful outcome, simply a detectable one.  Vertigo, dizziness, headache, and a metallic taste in the mouth have also been reported by researchers working in higher (4+ Tesla) static magnetic field environments.

A well-recognized effect (albeit not directly biologic in nature) is the alteration in the electrocardiographic tracing that can accompany placing a human in the presence of a sufficiently strong static magnetic field, such as those used in clinical MR imagers.  This so called flow potential results from bulk motion of an electrical conductor (i.e., blood) as it flows in and through a static magnetic field.  While the current densities so produced are clinically insignificant, they are detectable by ECG tracings, and should not be misinterpreted as patient distress.

A safe summary might be that although no deleterious biologic effects from the static magnetic fields used in MRI have been definitively associated with magnetic resonance imaging’s static magnetic fields, the answers are by no means all in yet, and further research is continuing in this area in various animal models and at various magnetic field strengths.

Now you specifically asked about “geomagnetic” fields (literally the Earth’s magnetic field) and if there are studies that show it affects humans in a measurable way. I tried finding any such studies and as far as I am aware they don’t exist.  The few magnetism experts websites I came across that addressed the question also stated they didn’t know of any studies that showed any kind of an effect. Which makes sense when you think about it. The geomagnetic field has been in place since the creation of the planet and life evolved in its presence. While the strength of the field varies over time and distance the fluctuations are pretty consistent and have been here the entire time. If any naturally occurring geomagnetic field were strong enough to cause problems life wouldn’t have survived for very long or, at the very least, the MRI scanners would be causing all sorts of problems when used. Not only on the patients, but also on the people who operate them.

Could dowsing have a realistic explanation? Perhaps, but not only hasn’t anyone ever successfully performed dowsing in a controlled experiment, but they can’t offer any explanation for how it’s supposed to work that’s consistent with known processes. As for the studies showing a statistical correlation between electrical fields and traffic accidents, well, without knowing more about the study it’s hard to pass judgment on its validity.

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Sandi United States Posted on 01/30/2004 at 04:58 PM

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As I began to read the e-mail that Preston wrote, I wondered if he had ever heard of the Cognitive Dissonance Theory. For those that don’t know, a short blurb explaing this. The Cognitive Dissonance. The theory that states that we act to reduce the discomfort (dissonance) we feel when two of our thoughts (cognitions) are inconsistant-as when we respond to our having acted contary to our attitudes by changing our attitude (Myers Psychology, Fourth Edition). For a superb example, just type Festinger into any search engine and you will get numerous results. Though, I must admit, this case works rather well too. Let have some fun with this. “...i will admit that i felt the same way…at first. the doctor that i work for asked me to help her understand the finer points of how the watch worked, i am majoring in theoretical mathematics and physics, so i translated, at first i thought it was bullshit, until i read on,and on, and on. no offense, but there is no way the layman could possibly understand the vast theories on scalar quantities, anyway even after reading all the equations and crunching all the numbers, i was more convinced…“
Preston here, has already shown a great investment of his time AND and the changing of his beliefs. Because he at first belived that it was “bullshit” and wasted a great deal of his time reading about the “the vast theories on scalar quantities” and “crunching the numbers” he, according the the aforementioned theory, was simply justifying his actions by changing his attitudes. So, in other words, he changed what he originally thought to be “bullshit” into an accepted, and equally justifiable, scientific concept. After he changed his thoughts on the concept, he could justify spending all of that time on reading and computing the information. It went from being a complete waste of his time, hours that he will never regain, to an interesting research project that had just magically fallen into his lap. The fact that he defends this so strongly makes me believe more and more that he has fallen victim, if you will, to this theory. Sucker. The fact that a 17 year old high school student can sound more articulate, and actually employ the use of correct grammer and punctuation while basically using a vast amount of large word to call him, in essence, an idiot really makes me wonder. How the fuck did he manage to graduate high school? Was he banging the teachers, or did daddy pay for him to pass? I’m assuming with a name like Preston that he wasn’t exactly raised in suburbia. Just goes to show that if you have money, you too can pay for a Rent-A-Friends that help boost your self confidence to great heights. So much so that you actually begin to believe that you’re “really, really smart”. I hope you get back all that money that you paid them when you sue them. As for all the other Craptastic Products, ever hear of self-fufilling prophecys? I think they might apply in these cases.

~Sandi

Les United States Posted on 01/30/2004 at 08:32 PM

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I hadn’t considered the possibility of Preston suffering from Cognitive Dissonance, though now that you mention it that does make some sense.

I just thought he was a loon. grin

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Ingolfson Germany Posted on 01/31/2004 at 09:57 AM

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Hi Les!

Well, I didn’t really expect any studies - as you say, the geomagnetic field is a thing life is pretty much used to.

Then again, I read that some birds (especially migratory ones) use subtle changes in those fields to navigate. Maybe the north deviation (the degree to which ‘real’ north is different from magnetic north, the degree of which changes depending wherever you are) has a role in this.

I could imagine that underground streams, especially if moving swiftly, could change the electric fields of the area, but not knowing that much of physics (unlike Preston…) I’m on shaky ground there.

As for the study I mentioned, it was in a science magazine here in Germany. Popular science, but respectable. If you are interested (I confess I’m too busy right now to bother), you might research ‘foehn’ or ‘föhn’, which is the wind pattern coming down northwards from the Alps in southern Germany. That wind has long been known in folk wisdom to lead to all kind of ailments and headaches, and a real connection to irritability and accident proneness has been established in the study I mentioned.

Wellsy Australia Posted on 02/04/2005 at 12:40 AM

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Hi Guys,

Coincidently, Nikola Tesla apparently worked out that the earth does have a natural resonant frequency of around 10Hz, and the ionosphere and the ground basically form a capacitor.  In this way he was able to detect lightning stikes at regualar wavelengths away from their origin.

I got that from a book called “The Man Who Invented the 20th Century” about his life.

However I don’t believe it likely that Tesla’s secrets of the universe are being sold on the shopping channel at 2am either.

I used to listen to Anthony Robbins until I heard his “latest discovery” of the enrgy content of foods.  Get this:  A Big Mac has only 5MHz of energy, whilst vegetables have 90MHz of energy.  The drink that he wants to sell you has a - wait for it - a whole 170MHz of energy. 

He also apparently endorses the QLink at his seminars.  I am still checking to confirm that.

I am an electronics technician, so this really woke me up.  Measuring energy in MHz? 

O..kay ... Tony ... whatever you say ...

So why is a higher frequency better again?

Oh get this:  Even though a big mac has lettuce, tomato and other healthy stuff in it, it’s only 5Mz because it “processed.“  Whenever you “disturb” the food product it “loses energy.“

Disturb it?  What?  Cut the tomato into slices? Wouldn’t you “disturb” it if you bit into a freshly picked tomato and chewed it up and swallowed it?

I spent a few months wondering why he was telling me to go buy wheat grass POWDER, (which I am sure has been processed), in that case.

Last week I got my answer.  I downloaded an interview he did with Dr. Young, the guy who put him onto this stuff.  Dr. Young says that the powder is “re-energized” after processing.

Well Doc why don’t you just sell me a machine to re-energize my Bic Macs up to a couple of hundred MHz.  Hell why don’t I just stick a USB cable into it, so I can eat whatever the hell I want if that’s all there is to it?

He also takes the time to say that other people who sell wheatgrass products actually use a squeezing process that takes the energy out of their products - The lousy bastards!  Trying to sell me de-energized wheatgrass!  Good thing I got Tony watching my back!

Anyway, I would like to take this opportunity to advertise my own craptastic product, (I love that word - never heard it before - It sounds like what it is). 

It’s called a Brain(TM).  The Brain(TM)(Patent pending) is a device that when operated correctly prevents the user from buying ridiclously bullshit products would be obvious to a child.  The Brain(TM) comes with both left and right hemespheres, and an optional pituitary glad adaptor expansion socket, 1 metre of spinal cord, and as an extra bonus if you call within the next 5 minutes, our patented “sixth-sense” bullshit detector that can tell you when a sales-pitch just doesn’t feel right.

Use your credit card, and we’ll throw in a cerebral cortex that has logical arguing techniques downloaded into right from the factory.

Anyway if you are interested in this tony robbins fiasco check this out:

http://www.advweb.com/michael/tony_robbins/get_the_edge_review.shtml

I found it on google by writing “robbins megahertz bullshit”

I found your site with “QLink bullshit” btw

Les United States Posted on 02/04/2005 at 06:37 AM

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Thanks Wellsy, that was great reading. You should have registered as a user and then submitted it as a guest post. I would have loved to have made that into an entry of it’s own. It’s a great example of applying just a little critical thinking to avoid stepping into bullshit.

So why is a higher frequency better again?

Why because bigger numbers mean more energy? Don’t they?? I’ve always wondered if this sort of thinking is an unintended consequence of the PC companies advertising their PCs based solely on their speed ratings of their processors.

Oh get this:  Even though a big mac has lettuce, tomato and other healthy stuff in it, it’s only 5Mz because it “processed.â€? Whenever you “disturbâ€? the food product it “loses energy.â€?

Disturb it?  What?  Cut the tomato into slices? Wouldn’t you “disturbâ€? it if you bit into a freshly picked tomato and chewed it up and swallowed it?

That’s why you have to chew it quickly and swallow before you chew all the energy out of it. Me, I can’t stand fresh tomatoes so I just don’t eat ‘em.

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GeekMom United States Posted on 02/04/2005 at 07:12 AM

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Great post, Wellsy!  Welcome to the jungle grin

Les, I didn’t like fresh tomatoes either, until I got pregnant the first time.  Go figure.  Not that I’d recommend it to you, though.

Spooky United States Posted on 02/04/2005 at 08:17 AM

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I haven’t tried these googles yet. Would be curious to see results:
GOOGLE: GAYDAR
GOOGLE: Cybiko Russian programmers
GOOGLE: Furbee Infrared China NSA
GOOGLE: RFID Wal-Mart

Imagine if you wear this obvious and admitted transmitter unit you are RF branding yourself as a “mark” or “sucker” for all of con-artists who have evolved to high-technology. It also brands you as naive or gullible mentality for government or university researchers trolling for wierd-science guinea-pigs with their theorectical handheld Qlink detectors. Just a theory. Take it for what its worth. All you need is a RFID like SKU number scenario and a QLINK internet database and you have a full blown BIG BROTHER mobile privacy exploit system complete with tacit opt-in!

Imagine that you go to one of Anthony’s seminars. He seems to gravitate to you. He seems to know stuff about you. You wonder if its because your wearing your Qlink pendant. You say Nahhh! and sign a check for a coupla’ hundred to him for some dumbass sucker tapes or other crap.

This is a serious con.

BTW - Don’t think this will get you through the airport metal detectors with metal on you. This gadget would set off detectors which would make you a “stop and further scrutinize” candidate. Maybe even a full body cavity search like they do at the Baltimore airport.

Spooky

Spooky United States Posted on 02/04/2005 at 09:14 AM

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There seems to be some credibilty to the “science” behind QLINK but they don’t really understand it. Read this Dr’s work: http://frontpage.simnet.is/vgv/umcyrilsmith.htm

They are just trying to exploit wishful thinking and make money of of it. I still think my GAYDAR RF device analogy called CONDAR still has merit even if nobody has thought of it yet. Oops… I may have opened Pandora’s box again grin

Spooky

Les United States Posted on 02/04/2005 at 09:56 AM

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Spooky, I wouldn’t qualify that link as providing any credibility to the claims made by the QLINK folks. It doesn’t take too much reading before they start talking about Homeopathic remedies, which are as much bullshit as the Q-Ray itself. From there it just degenerates into some pretty standard pseudo-science gobblydegook. Nothing new or supportive to be found there.

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Spooky United States Posted on 02/04/2005 at 10:09 AM

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OK Clarus is selling a $329 unit called the QLink Ally. Holy cow! If my crazy CONDAR (con artist sucker radar) scenario is correct this could be the detector unit! The marketing blurbs around it could just be subterfuge. They tell their CONDAR clients this is a “wink wink” higher powered model of the SRT2 unit “wink wink”. If that’s true why is it over $300 bucks which no senior citizen mark would ever pay and why does it have a LED in the front of it (looks goofy for 3 bills!!!)? It looks like a homing device to me.

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And what is this [link removed] Q/Link Resources? Some might say its only a executive recruiting web site in Seattle with a password in Seattle run by Andy Krasnow. Hmmm… I wonder… Nay Its probably just a coincidence…

Spooky

PS - Now I am really confused… When reading this Consumer Health Review whitepaper about how the QLINK was exhaustively tested by credible research scientists and doctors with double-blind tests it got pretty good passing grades. Go figure: [link removed]

I’m conflicted now…

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