Conservatives find creative way to push creationism in school.

Posted by Les on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 08:26 AM. Read 5593 times. Tags: ,
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The following is a complete reprint of an artice written by John Brice for The State News and was originally published on April 15th, 2004.  It’s being reprinted here with John’s permission and remains copyrighted by The State News.

I wanted to reprint the article for a couple of reasons, first it’s a good summary of the goals of the movement to have Intelligent Design Creationism taught in our public schools, of which Michigan is one state that is considering such a move. But the main reason I wanted to reprint the article is that it includes an argument against teaching IDC in schools that I hadn’t considered previously myself and which I’m willing to bet many IDC proponents also haven’t considered before. Namely, what IDC could potentially imply about the nature of the Designer it claims is necessary. It’s a good read and I appreciate John allowing me to reprint it in whole.

    Conservatives find creative way to push creationism in school

    Our public schools are under attack from religious warriors crusading to inject creationism into science classes. The most recently evolved variant of creationist propaganda is known as Intelligent Design Creationism (IDC) and has been constructed with the goal of slipping into science curriculums by masquerading as a science. To pull off this feat of deception, a nebulous and unnamed “designer” replaces traditional concepts of God.

    By carefully avoiding direct mention of God or any Judeo-Christian concepts, IDC attempts to circumvent church/state separation concerns. Beneath the sly ruse, however, is the clear implication that the “designer” is God. That’s why religious conservatives are so fanatical about promoting the inclusion of IDC theology in public schools.

    In October 2002, I wrote a feature article, “The Creationist Holy War,” for infidels.org. I discussed some reasons why including IDC in the nation’s science curriculum is damaging to both science and traditional religious beliefs. The fact that IDC is damaging to science is self-evident to the scientifically educated and has been widely discussed; however, the latter assertion is less well recognized and worth reiterating here.

    IDC is merely a modernized version of the “Argument from Design.” This flawed philosophy often takes the following form: Imagine you find a watch imbedded on a sandy beach. You observe the intricate construction. If any part had been placed randomly, in any other location, the watch would not function. Blind natural processes could not possibly have produced an item of such specific purpose and complexity; thus, it must have had a watchmaker.

    Next, the analogical leap. Creationists claim an examination of man and nature demonstrates the necessity of a God, just as an examination of the watch demanded the existence of a watchmaker. IDC adds the assertion that if any characteristic of man or nature is judged “irreducibly complex,” meaning that it couldn’t have evolved naturally, it’s proof of a designer. It’s an example of a fallacy called “Argument from Ignorance.”

    As an aside, God, paradoxically, seems to qualify as irreducibly complex. Could God have evolved naturally from “deity precursors?” God is supposedly perfect, without limits of power and knowledge. It would seem that such a being, in accordance with the principle of irreducible complexity, would prove the existence of a “Deity designer” and that designer must have a designer, ad infinitum.

    If there is to be any discussion of a creator in our public schools, it’s a safe bet the Judeo-Christian image of God would be preferred by most. This image, stubbornly difficult to extract from scripture, is of an omnipotent, omniscient and benevolent deity. Interestingly, such a being is not at all what IDC would elicit in the minds of our nation’s youth - quite the contrary. To understand why, we need to return to the analogy of the watch and watchmaker. Perhaps the watch can reveal something about its designer.

    Let’s suppose, after a comprehensive examination, we learn the watch is constructed from recycled parts left over from other machines, and some parts don’t seem to have a purpose at all. The watch keeps inaccurate time and has a very short working life before it begins to seriously malfunction and finally fail completely.

    Numerous inferences about the watchmaker are possible. Perhaps he didn’t try to make a good watch. Or, conceivably, he made the best possible watch with the materials available. Incompetence is a possibility. It’s also plausible that, for some unknown reason, the watchmaker intentionally built a faulty and poorly designed watch. In summary, we can say the watchmaker is either lazy, had a tight budget, was inept or intentionally produced a flawed product.

    As with the Argument from Design, let’s expand this watch analogy to the natural world. The watchmaker becomes God, and the watch becomes mankind and nature. Can this analogy tell us anything about God?

    Obviously, humans are significantly flawed. We are made of “recycled” biological material; our genome reveals abundant examples of reused DNA, seemingly borrowed from earlier forms, as well as a large amount of redundant and “switched off” genetic code. Humans have vestigial behaviors and anatomical structures (goose bumps, wisdom teeth, appendix, etc.); moreover, much of our anatomy is designed poorly for optimum function (knees, lower back, eyes, etc). Equally obvious, we are not built to last. Human beings inexorably degrade and fail over time, often in a painful and miserable decline. Therefore, assuming we are evidence of design, what judgment can we make about God?

    Our hypothetical deity fares no better than the watchmaker; God may be inept, lazy or simply doing his best with the materials at hand. Each of those conclusions, however, is incompatible with traditional depictions of God.

    Alternatively, God purposefully designed our imperfections. Under this possibility, God has the dubious honor of being directly responsible for cancer, Ebola, anthrax, HIV, birth defects, Alzheimer’s Disease, parasites, chronic pain, plagues, natural disasters and death. God would have specifically and purposefully designed a nearly infinite number of horrors and torments in both man and the natural world.

    This possibility turns God into a malevolent monster rather than a loving creator. Mainstream religions grapple with this “problem of evil” by attempting to deflect blame away from their deity. Original sin, Satan, and the “gift of free will” are fashionable, yet horribly flawed, efforts to remove culpability from the Almighty. However, IDC offers no attempt whatsoever to redirect blame; it places the responsibility for all suffering and all design flaws squarely on the shoulders of the designer.

    Educated Americans value the separation of church and state for many reasons. Central among these is an antipathy toward government defining God for all. If government requires IDC to be taught in public school science classes, it will be promoting the concept of a sadistic or flawed creator. Coupled with the fact that IDC is not a scientific theory, theists should be as outraged as scientists with the prospect of neo-creationism being imposed on our children.

    John Bice is an MSU staff member. He can be reached at .

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VernR United States Posted on 04/23/2004 at 04:55 PM

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did 4/20. The article is excellent, and I’m adding it to my anti-creationism tool kit.

I don’t know if this constitutes new material, but last night I found a white paper* by Burt Humburg, who wrote several other short papers on Intelligent Design Creationism (IDC) for the Kansas Citizens for Science. Here is the gist of his material.

[list]The article makes two points about Behe’s construct of irreducible complexity (IC). (1)The presence of IC contradicts evolution if and only if the evolution of a complex system is the opposite of its dismemberment. It is not. (2)IC ignores intermediate stages. For example, if you knew nothing about the construction of a house, you might consider that a house is built with no intermediate steps or temporary staging.[/list]

[list]Dembski, resurrecting the Creationists’ misuse of the 2nd law, used information theory to argue that random processes cannot produce the complex patterns of genetic code that are necessary for life. This argument overlooks the concept that evolutionary pressure operates on the functions that the code provides not on the specific code that an organism has. It also neglects the fact that a realistic probabilistic analysis needs to consider the stage-wise development of an organism. Further, Dembreski was either ignorant of or ignored information formation observed in nature and in the laboratory.[/list]

[list]A long section titled IDC Can Sabotage Science discusses how science should operate and why IDC isn’t science.[/list]

[list]The final section that may be of interest is Naturalism and Theological Implications of Evolution and IDC.[/list]

A few days ago I was doing search on the Krebs cycle and came across Essay on Life, by the biologist Albert Szent-Gyorgyi. It is a reflection on the complexity and improbability of life by a scientist who knows what he doesn’t know.

* This link was unavailable earlier today, but became operable by late afternoon.

Science Goddess United States Posted on 05/01/2004 at 07:33 AM

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I just read the Humberg article and was impressed by his knowledge of the scientific process.  Scientists NEVER know anything, that’s why they do experiments!  We learn to live with that uncertainty while we carry out step-wise explorations into the unknown.  Each experiment gives an answer, but opens the door to more uncertainty and more experiments.  That’s what makes it so much fun!
SG

Eric Paulsen United States Posted on 05/01/2004 at 02:06 PM

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I read a quote a long while back which pretty much sums up my feelings on this topic (but cannot remember who said it):

Believe the man who says he seeks the truth. Doubt the man who says he’s found it.

Science can live with the fact that it does not know things and that todays truths may be proven incorrect tomorrow. I don’t think religion can exist without their absolute “truths” being inviolate. For me that is why IDC is not science, there is no possibility it can be wrong in the minds of those who believe in it.

VernR United States Posted on 05/03/2004 at 01:29 PM

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Bad news SG. This morning the NY Times ran a piece titled U.S. Is Losing Its Dominance in the Sciences

Foreign advances in basic science now often rival or even exceed America’s, apparently with little public awareness of the trend or its implications for jobs, industry, national security or the vigor of the nation’s intellectual and cultural life.

The authors base their premise on several measures: prizes awarded, the number of articles published in blue chip professional journals, and the number of patents granted.

Through the 90s the U.S. won the lion’s share of the Nobel. Recently our share has fallen to 51%, the rest of the prizes going to Britian, Japan, Russia, Germany, Sweden, Switzerland, and New Zealand. This list doesn’t include China--yet. However, with their investment to scientific research we can expect to see China on the list sometime in the near future.

Based on reading and listening over the last few months, it appears to me that we face two major threats for a good part of the twenty first century. One threat (current) comes from theistic fundamentalists (TFs). The other threat (future) will come from China’s endeavors in science and commerce. To meet these threats we need curious, well educated people in all sectors of our society who beleive in one of Admiral Rickover’s maxims--knowledge is power. (And, oh yeah, also believe in ***Dave’s truth thing.)

Foreign TFs want to kill us or convert us, while domestic TFs want to convert us to their beliefs while disarming us intellectualy. Unfortunately the radical right, through various means, is content to dumming down the majority of our population. In fact, they prefer it that way.

Yeah, put intelligent design in our high school curricula. 

From an earlier visit to the ICR web site, I recall having seen reference to some sort of refereed journal of creationism--can’t recall the name. I could find such a reference just now. That must be disappointing to the to the many members of the world scientific community who are eager to contribute articles on the results of their research.

Les United States Posted on 05/03/2004 at 01:38 PM

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I was going to write about that NYT article myself today, but I hadn’t quite formulated what I wanted to say about it. I don’t necessarily consider the rise of other countries in the sciences to be a bad thing per se, but I do think it says some bad things about the state of science education and importance in the U.S. currently. I’ve still not completely formulated my thoughts on the issue yet.

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VernR United States Posted on 05/03/2004 at 01:51 PM

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Les, I agree with you and one of the points in the raised in the article. The more people in the brainpower bank, the better for humanity in general. However, as the article points out, one downside for us is that wealth derived from off-shore patents will remain off-shore.

Science Goddess United States Posted on 05/03/2004 at 03:28 PM

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Hi All:  Actually, anybody in academia has known about this for years.  Part of the problem, for sure, is the dumbing down of the US population.  I remember a recent (informal) poll taken by David Letterman who found that most people didn’t know that it takes a year for the Earth to move around the Sun!

Another part of the problem is the dismal pay scale at our universities.  If you want do do research, you have to start as a “post-doctoral fellow” right out of graduate school.  The salaries range from 20K to 30K for a more advanced fellow.  Who’s going to work for that price?  They only get away with it because the job is classified as “training”, which allows the low salary.  We can’t get Americans to work for that price, usually it’s Chinese, or more recently, Southeast Asians.

As you say, this problem has been going on for a long long time, and now it’s being noticed in the reduction of Nobels, and other prizes.
SG

Eric Paulsen United States Posted on 05/03/2004 at 03:30 PM

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And if you are an American scientist who wants to be on the cutting edge, making discoveries, not wasting your talents - might you not consider going to work in China or Britian or any place not so bogged down in superstition as to stifle your abilities? I would.

If the (foreign) terrorists want to destroy America they will need to get in line behind the Fundamentalists.

VernR United States Posted on 05/07/2004 at 01:04 PM

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SG and Eric.

You guys are right on. Today’s NY Times carried an editorial titled Losing Our Technical Dominance

Here is the last paragraph.
[list]Although this is hardly a time of crisis for American science, common sense suggests efforts to head off further erosion. The administration seems misguided in planning to cut research funds in real terms for 21 agencies in coming years while increasing only the research concerned with defense, domestic security and the space program. The administration should ease the security-driven visa restrictions that keep away foreign students and scientists. Most important, the decline in the number of Americans training to become scientists and engineers suggests the need to reinvigorate science education in the public schools. Manpower trends can take a decade or two to reverse.[/list]

The writer didn’t pick up on the problem with career opportunities in universities.

A.Banks Australia Posted on 09/16/2004 at 12:10 PM

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hi,

I’ll share with you not a well known fact, namely, the spiritual world (including your spiritual souls) is more real than the world you currently live in.

How do I know this, you may well ask?

Because the statistics prove that you will die as I too also will die.  That’s a pretty convincing statistic, not to mention the bible tells us so.

Sadly, you people at present do not understand the nature of sin......which explains all your condescending mocking remarks about the “ills” of this world....namely....diseases, sickness, war, violence....etc....etc...etc...etc…

Can I pose this question?

Do you know anyone that prophecy declared (hundreds of years earlier) that they would be crucified and rise from the dead on the third day ?  Anyone in human history ?

Jesus Christ was crucified, dead and buried and He did rise on the third day as prophesied !!!

You mere mortals seriously think with all your light-headed head knowledge can challenge Jesus Christ !!!  You think you do.....but be rest assured, He will call you to account for every word you speak when your spirit leaves your dead body.

Please, don’t kid yourselves.

You all need to repent and accept Christ Jesus into your heart this very day to save your soul.

Hallelujah......

Praise the most High...Jesus the Christ

sincerely

A. Banks

thrival United States Posted on 01/24/2005 at 11:38 PM

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I read most of the posts to this subject. I think ID should be taught; as a theory is just as logical as any other. What I like about ID is it at least hints at a ‘why’ issue where the others suggest just a cold randomness to existence. Emotions (E is for energy ...motions) are real enough and it would be NICE if creation had place and use for them, as well as idealism, et al.

At the same time I’m a bit nervous with christianity comandeering ID for it’s own purposes and limited explanations per the above, “Accept Jesus or be damned.” Now I really have no problem with Jesus, only mainstream interpretations of who he was and what his life was about, that fundamentalist like to bludgeon us with. I think the solution that surely won’t satisfy all, is to teach comparitive religion in grade school. That way kids would have exposure to the different ideas extant.

Clearly the geological record doesn’t reflect mainstream biblical time-tables, Dr. Dino notwithstanding. Most of the time this world is wrapped in ice, (100k - 250,000 years) followed by brief warming cycles where civilization flourishes (10,000 - 25,000+? years) ...followed by catstrophes-- comets/asteroids crashing in leaving big holes, melting of ice caps, super-volcanoes like Yellowstone, covering US with 6 feet of clay ash, cloaking the earth in darkness to the next ice age. Maybe this happens when men become too wicked/ big for our britches and maybe prayer can stay such events.

Dinosaurs may well have been genetic experiments. We’re almost to the point of being able to make designer life now. Anyone see the glow-in-the dark rabbit some guy made by adding a gene from a deep seas shrimp?

I think we’re co-creators WITH the Creator, and life as eternal spirits IS OUR evolutionary leap. To suggest there is none seems to me the height of hubris. Man surely isn’t the sharpest knife in the cosmic drawer. Most posters are still operating from intellectual positions and have a lot more study and homework, not to mention life experiences to process. This much I can say-- God answers prayers when your heart and head are in the right place, and that alone really demolishes scepticism.

Yes, bad things happen. God made Kali, the recycler.

zilch Austria Posted on 01/25/2005 at 04:09 AM

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I read the first two sentences of the previous comment and thought I’d respond with a logical argument, but then I read further… No point.  Thrival, what about crop circles? Don’t leave them out…

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Les United States Posted on 01/25/2005 at 06:57 AM

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Yeah, that was my conclusion as well. Any time spent on this one would be a waste. I about snorted my milk when I read the bit about ID being “just as logical” as any other theory.

If you have a closed head injury perhaps…

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thrival United States Posted on 01/28/2005 at 04:43 AM

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Milk isn’t meant to be snorted; that isn’t its purpose or yours. I actually know more than I let on. God has shown and proven Himself to humble and sincere persons throughout history. If you don’t have reason or inclination to persue and discover that Intelligent Design is a fact then I guess it leaves you out of it. To say you have yet to experience something in no way proves it doesn’t exist, and no one else’s proof will ever satisfy you.

shana Japan Posted on 01/28/2005 at 05:01 AM

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Communion wafers aren’t meant to be snorted; that isn’t their purpose or yours. I actually know more than I let on.  Evolution has shown and proven its reality to humble and sincere persons throughout history. If you don’t have reason or inclination to persue and discover that Evolution is a fact then I guess it leaves you out of it. To say you have yet to experience something in no way proves it doesn’t exist, and no one else’s proof will ever satisfy you.

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Les United States Posted on 01/28/2005 at 07:26 AM

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Funny, you don’t sound all that humble based on your last reply, Thrival. Though it could just be a bad first impression.

To say you have yet to experience something in no way proves it doesn’t exist

Indeed this is true, but that’s no reason to assume it does exist either. Does anyone else find it ironic that so many proponents will criticize Evolution on the basis that “no one has ever seen it happen” or “no one experiences it” only to turn around and defend the idea of God with an argument like the one above?

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thrival United States Posted on 01/28/2005 at 12:51 PM

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Well it’s not good to judge people on first impressions, or even second ones, as merely reflects the biases and the prejudices of persons so judging with inadequate information.

To know something doesn’t necessarily bespeak a lack of humility. It just might look that way to those who don’t.

God proves himself to those who are open and willing. When that happens, you are beyond mere belief and into the realm of knowing. No one can put you there but you, and what people think about you for it is quite meaningless. Also just because you choose to measure God with an inadequate yardstick doesn’t mean he’s obligated to shrink himself to fit just to please you/make you happy.

There is the appearance of evolution because changes take so long. Then again they don’t have to. Reason is that ‘nature’ is spiritual art and ‘they’ are practicing constantly. Despite anything I’ve said, I by no means presume you are educable or that it’s my job.

zilch Austria Posted on 01/28/2005 at 01:00 PM

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thrival typed on his computer: There is the appearance of evolution because changes take so long. Then again they don’t have to. Reason is that ‘nature’ is spiritual art and ‘they’ are practicing constantly.

Uh, am I missing something here, or does this not mean anything at all?

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thrival United States Posted on 01/28/2005 at 01:05 PM

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Forgot to mention. If evolution were happening (without God) a person would still have to ask why things keep improving (?) themselves. I mean that alone would indicate “a purpose.” (But that’s just a practical observation, not a rhetorical arguement, babbling of or twisting of words.)

GeekMom United States Posted on 01/28/2005 at 01:20 PM

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No, thrival, God “proves himself” to you when you spend so much time convincing yourself that he exists that you imagine you actually see signs.  Self-hypnosis is all well and good, but it should be practiced in private and not forced on others as a mass delusion.

Socialist Swine Canada Posted on 01/28/2005 at 01:22 PM

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thrival,

Things aren’t necessarily improving they’re simply responding to environmental conditions.  As for why they’re doing it, if they don’t they end up dieing.  So the things that survive are the ones that have traits that allow them to deal with current environmental conditions.  This isn’t all that mysterious to me, nor all that indicative of purpose or design.

elwedriddsche United States Posted on 01/28/2005 at 01:24 PM

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Clearly, thrival lacks an understanding of what the science of evolution says and means.

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thrival United States Posted on 01/28/2005 at 01:30 PM

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Spiritual survival means you live forever-- that’s REAL evolution, for those able to cognize it. OK you’re not improving and your existence has no purpose. I can accept that.

Les United States Posted on 01/28/2005 at 02:02 PM

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Thrival returns and tries to come across as semi-coherent with…

Well it’s not good to judge people on first impressions, or even second ones, as merely reflects the biases and the prejudices of persons so judging with inadequate information.

So far I’d say my first impressions of you are turning out to be correct as each successive reply you leave just seems to confirm them. We all judge each other based on first impressions colored by our biases and there’s nothing wrong with that. It’s whether or not we close our minds to revising that impression as we learn more about someone that’s important.

To know something doesn’t necessarily bespeak a lack of humility. It just might look that way to those who don’t.

It’s not the knowledge, it’s the presentation. Smugness isn’t synonymous with humility.

God proves himself to those who are open and willing. When that happens, you are beyond mere belief and into the realm of knowing. No one can put you there but you, and what people think about you for it is quite meaningless. Also just because you choose to measure God with an inadequate yardstick doesn’t mean he’s obligated to shrink himself to fit just to please you/make you happy.

Weren’t you just saying that judging people based on first impressions full of your own biases and prejudices is a bad thing to do? Yet here you seem to presume to know my past and how open and willing I may have been to God. You assume, based on my current status as an atheist, that I was always once so or if I wasn’t then I must not have been sufficiently open and willing to have God prove himself to me.

Unless you’ve spent some considerable time reading through the archives here (which I doubt) then you have no clue about whether I was once a believer or how open and willing I may have once been. You don’t know if I once believed to “know God” as you claim to do now or how sincere my belief happened to be. Or how concerned I may have been over what other’s thought of me for my belief.

You don’t know any of that, yet you presume to tell me what I’m doing wrong. That’s not humility. That’s arrogance.

There is the appearance of evolution because changes take so long. Then again they don’t have to. Reason is that ‘nature’ is spiritual art and ‘they’ are practicing constantly.

So much for coherency.

Despite anything I’ve said, I by no means presume you are educable or that it’s my job.

Then why bother speaking up at all? Just to say, “Neener neener neener! I know something you don’t know! I know something you don’t know!”

Honestly, I seriously doubt you have much of anything to teach me based on your comments so far.

Forgot to mention. If evolution were happening (without God) a person would still have to ask why things keep improving (?) themselves. I mean that alone would indicate “a purpose.â€? (But that’s just a practical observation, not a rhetorical arguement, babbling of or twisting of words.)

Who says things are improving or that there’s any observable purpose behind Evolution? That’s not a practical observation, it’s a clueless statement.

Spiritual survival means you live forever-- that’s REAL evolution, for those able to cognize it. OK you’re not improving and your existence has no purpose. I can accept that.

That was good for a laugh! Humility indeed. I’ll give you points for vocabulary, though.

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thrival United States Posted on 01/28/2005 at 02:37 PM

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Gosh you folks generate/sling SO much crap in such a short period of time, you should have a firetruck follow you around.

Your first mistake is thinking I care a whit about what you think. You’ve yet to make a case why I should, which has nothing to do with my humility. I mean you’ve already asserted that your droning existences, beyond survival for its own sake, has no purpose. So why would I worry what any of you think. YOU’RE the ones who demonstrate true hubris.

Secondly, true principles have nothing to do with your history or your personalities, which is only the limited filter you’ve acquired, coloring everything else that you think you know. You demonstrate red herring tactics to divert any point being made that would establish meaning or purpose, but that’s understandable because by your own assertions, your lives don’t have any, likewise your arguements.

God has his own timetable for proving himself, personally and collectively, not just when you think he ought.

And you wouldn’t need me to teach you anything if you’d overcome your own inertias because the information has always been extant, only that some people expect it to fall into their laps.

Creation (and destruction) are occurring right now. Significance will always escape those unprepared to recognize it. Quit whining. You sound like bleating jack-asses who won’t proceed or back up.

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