Yeah, I read about Haggard, so what is news?  The people that voted him down, more than likely are butt fucking their neighbors wife, along with the neighbors sons, and daughters, all in the same breath, and never missed a stroke.

The church congregations acts as if they are so holy and they rooted out evil so they can maintain the greatest fraud of all, “Let us LIE for God”, and a man likes to be touched by his own sex, oh that is a sin!

The entire church congregations are a bunch of mental retards. I am not surprised that Haggard was busted, and in two years, we will see another, then an other, and an other as Haggaerd. So what in hell is a god good for? Well, to cover your ass, as you lie and piss all over others for money gains and sex, and then tell the congregations, “It is only rain, and not piss, the water is warm because it is hot out side, don’t it feel good?”

Now let us Pray:

Oh heavenly father, JESUS, grant us the wisdom to be more sneaky, Lying, and pathetic as Haggard without being caught. You, Oh Jesus, are nothing but the obvious Stupid Evil Bastard of Iniquity, and MAY ALL who profess you name emulate you with even a bigger lie than you have ever told or stood for. 

Don

This site is acting very odd. I can hardly access the main page, I cannot read messages but one out of 4 or 5, it is just a mess. All other indications are my computer is fine. I have rebooted, reconnected, and all my other sites are OK.  It takes 5 minutes to down load a readable page at this site, IF anything comes up at all.

Am I banned?

If so say so.  Look, I know I’m revolting by my looks, I’m mean, I’m not friendly, I don’t stroke your wonky, but for me to acknowledge, I have been rejected “again” still hurts me. I would like to stay awhile, and if NOT, fine, just say so as I can move on.

I guarantee you I’m harmless, and I will not hurt this site, even if I had, and I don’t, possess the knowledge to do so. I just want a little space to post my drool, If I’m not welcomed, I will move on. Just say so.

Don

I think the server had a hiccup.  And don’t worry Don, if people were allowed to stay based on looks, I would have been sent packing a long time ago.

Don: Am I banned?

Cool, I’m not the only who gets paranoid when I can’t get in.

As for Ted Haggard ... nice to see him exposed.

why is it always the christians getting caught doing these things? you never hear, atheist caught with a hooker, or anything like that. but then an atheist does not run around telling people they can not be gay, then take a guy home and screw him. what a hypocritical pig.

I bet you were disappointed when the guy owned up to his hypocrisies. Don’t worry, Les, the next guy will be a typical politician/lobbiest/etc, who will continue a lie even after he is overwhelmingly outed as a fraud.

And what could anyone have against Jesus? I mean, whatever you believe, he was an advocate for peace and loving your neighbor. Despite the lies spread by TBN, et al (am I using that right?), Jesus was not a Republican. And he never condemned, nor even mentioned, gay sex. And I think he smoked weed. I bet if any us could get to know him, we would see that he was/is a pretty cool guy.

SEB has frequent hiccups. That has always been the case, at least as long as I’ve been here. Nothing to get all paranoid about and feeling like you’ve been banned. Also, less than 1% of web sites ban by IP. It’s just too hard to maintain, and unreliable.

You never hear about atheists having sex with hookers because it isn’t news. Although, I suppose the same could be said of people who are so ashamed of their own feelings that they overcompensate by publicly bashing their own kind (pun not intended.)

-Bob

I kinda figured that I should see sympathy not laughter from the gang over here.  The party line over here has been:

1) Nothing wrong with gay sex

2) Prostitution is the oldest profession in the world and it should be legalized

3) Drugs should be legalized.  Doing them is a form of civil disobedience.

4) Gays shouldn’t out gays

5) Society oppresses homosexuality thereby causing increased mental health problems within the gay community so we should expect to see some forms of self-hate within a portion of the gay community

6) Given 5, we should expect that a portion of those experiencing self-hate would put themselves in the closet and even masquerade as heterosexuals

Given the above, it would seem to me that if you believed those things or a majority of them the natural human reaction would be one of pity and sympathy not sneering.  It would be uncaring folks with cold attitudes and elevated expectations of behavior that would sneer at him. Or so one would think.

Con: I kinda figured that I should see sympathy not laughter from the gang over here.

Jeez, you’re a bullshitter. 

Given the above, it would seem to me that if you believed those things or a majority of them the natural human reaction would be one of pity and sympathy not sneering.

The issue is not about his being gay, or doing drugs, or paying a hustler; it is about his heinous hypocrisy and hatemongering.  He was the leader of an organization that condemned homosexuality and was deliberately going out of his way in a hateful attempt to hurt the gay community.  Self hate or masquerading as a heterosexual does not give one a pass to demonize other homosexuals.

IDM in the Open Thread on Homosexuality states: In the US, it can be suicidal to admit or even to appear to be gay, just ask Matthew Shepherd, Adam Bishop, Kenneth Muldrow, Johannes le Grange, Chris Raynsford, Chris Raynsford, Jeffery Owens, Fred Martinez, and MANY, MANY more Americans who have been killed (generally as a result of a savage beating) because they were gay.

Even more men have been beaten and seriously injured simply because they didn’t lie about being gay.

******

THIS IS WHY MANY GAY GUYS FEEL THAT THEY HAVE TO LIE ABOUT THEIR BEING GAY

Although I disagree with most of the above, if one accepts it as true there would be certain behavioral expectations that follow.  Hypocrisy/lying should be expected.  In fact, it wouldn’t be heinous hypocrisy.  It would be self-preservation, we are led to believe.

LJ:

I posted only half-serious.  The logic is good though.

idm:

What better way to ensure his safety than to cloak his identity as “double agent?”

You never hear about atheists having sex with hookers because it isn’t news. Although, I suppose the same could be said of people who are so ashamed of their own feelings that they overcompensate by publicly bashing their own kind

In some communities the police publicise the names of johns and the newspapers publish the names, and sometimes pictures, of the johns as ‘news’.  I would imagine that some of those johns are atheist. 

Denial is one thing; hateful public bashing, especially going so far as leading a gay bashing organization, is a totally different matter.  What this guy did is inexcuseable.

Hypocrisy/lying should be expected.  In fact, it wouldn’t be heinous hypocrisy.  It would be self-preservation, we are led to believe.

There is a big difference between denying that one is gay vs. becoming the leader of a major gay bashing organization.

Could it be there is a subtle, albeit nationally organized, strategy dedicated to exposing Christian-Nazism’s hate and hyprocrisy to the American public and media ??

You betcha.
Thank G-d and the DNC.

And it ain’t over yet—stay tuned.

Consi: I posted only half-serious.  The logic is good though.

I thought that, and, no - if I were you I’d blame someone else for writing it as it was nowhere near your usual standard; far too many holes. 

IDM: There is a big difference between denying that one is gay vs. becoming the leader of a major gay bashing organization.

That captured the quintessence of Haggard’s faults.

Condi-

1) Nothing wrong with gay sex

Right.

2) Prostitution is the oldest profession in the world and it should be legalized

Probably, although not for that reason.

3) Drugs should be legalized.  Doing them is a form of civil disobedience.

Yes, but again, not for the irrelevant stated reason.

4) Gays shouldn’t out gays

Personally, I think this is true only as a general rule, not a universal rule, and I think it falls under an overall “respect people’s privacy” maxim rather than any specific guidelines about how gay people should treat one another. I feel that you have a right to stay in the closet, but it’s not everyone else’s responsibility to help you stay there. In this particular situation, I don’t agree that the male prostitute had a responsibility to keep Haggard’s secrets for him. Doing so would allow Haggard to continue to hypocritically pursue an agenda that is directly detrimental to the male prostitute, who has every right to defend himself and to protect his own self-interest. That said, if we remove the issue of outing, it’s probably a violation of professional ethics for a prostitute to reveal his johns, and certainly a bad business decision.

5) Society oppresses homosexuality thereby causing increased mental health problems within the gay community so we should expect to see some forms of self-hate within a portion of the gay community.
6) Given 5, we should expect that a portion of those experiencing self-hate would put themselves in the closet and even masquerade as heterosexuals

True, but Haggard wasn’t just suffering from self-loathing, he was suffering from other-loathing as well, and acting on it. And he was only doing a half-assed job of masquerading as a heterosexual, the most obvious characteristic of which would be not sleeping with other men. None of this would have happened had he not decided to sleep with a man while pursuing an anti-gay-rights agenda. I feel the same way about this that I do about abused children who grow up to become child abusers themselves: It’s important to understand the development of the pathology in order to prevent it, not in order to excuse it. I can feel empathy for a child abuser who was himself abused, but I’m not going to say that he gets a free pass because of it. Rather, I’m going to argue that this demonstrates why it’s not a great idea to abuse children. I’m sure you can draw the obvious parallels here yourself.

What IDM and Ulfrekr said, they both beat me to it. My problem with Haggard has nothing to do with his being gay or doing drugs, it’s his hypocrisy for actively working against others who do the same while portraying himself as some sort of pious holy man worthy of emulating.

Exactly what IDM, Ulfrekr and Les said.  Anybody who thinks most of us are raggin’on Haggert because he’s gay, are seriously irony-impaired.  Seems to have become a fundie talking point:  “Where’s all that librul tolerance we hear so much about?” No no no, you not-so-intelligently-designed fools.  It’s the hypocrisy.

Those of us that are laughing and pointing at this freak (and others like him) are doing so because his life’s work has been to make life miserable for gays all in the name of “their lord.” They use every specious argument available to their tiny little imaginations to whip up an unreasonable and DANGEROUS hate against gay people. 

I have and will never have ANY sympathy for these fatally delusional people and think they are worthy only of scorn and vicious contempt.

Do I hate them?  Yes, I do.

I commend him. Personally I think it’s time that the rest of the fundamentalist conservatives come out of the closet.

Ufreker, you made me smile with your salutation and your response en toto.  When you do a good job of rising to the challenge, makes me hold out hope for the intelligent life on the liberal side of the fence.  It’s an endangered species but by gosh the intelligent liberal is not extinct yet.  Furthermore, I would agree:

Ufreker said: None of this would have happened had he not decided to sleep with a man while pursuing an anti-gay-rights agenda.

His choice.  Bad choice.

...makes me hold out hope for the intelligent life on the liberal side of the fence.  It’s an endangered species but by gosh the intelligent liberal is not extinct yet.

Careful. Let’s go out on that branch over there and assume I’m highly intelligent. Just because I don’t make my presence clear does not mean I’m an unintelligent anything (I get more frustrated by the false dichotomy of liberal vs conservative as time goes on). Rather, it is a matter of what more I can usefully contribute.

We intelligent ones are out there in large numbers - but we don’t cross paths except by happenstance or an explicit calling.

I commend him. Personally I think it’s time that the rest of the fundamentalist conservatives come out of the closet.

I do not commend him, I condemn his actions.  He did not voluntarily come out of the closet, he was pushed.  Normally, I would consider it to be bad form to out another gay person.  In this case he was not outted simply because he was gay, he was outted because he is a hateful hypocrite. 

It would not be productive for the fundamentalist conservatives to simply come out of the closet; it WOULD be productive for the fundamentalist conservatives to redirect their energies toward fighting those people who have decided to bash gays.

“I am so sorry for the circumstances that have caused shame and embarrassment for all of you,”

Does anybody know who he is apolgizing to?  To the bigots that he just embarrassed big time; or to gays, who are the ones who he has really hurt?

Well, thanks Consi, I guess. Mook: HA!

According to Wikipedia:

Haggard focused ministry efforts on homosexuals early in his Colorado Springs ministry by frequenting gay bars and inviting men to his congregation.

It looks like Haggard may get therapy, James Dobson (Focus on the Family founder) will be overseeing Haggard’s counseling. I hope that queer bastard wishes that he hadn’t ever heard of christianity.