OK OK - I’m no lawyer. Maybe it’s a precedent, maybe not. Whatever.

But I still say that the accusation, in and of itself, regardless of guilt or innocence, IS a darn good reason to shoot onesself.

Here’s what I know tonight. If you are accused of victimizing a kid there is a heightened probability that people in general will seek revenge against you. You do not need to be guilty. If you are accused you will find yourself being treated (by some) as if you were really guilty. It can affect employment opportunities, and some people may even try to kill you.

Here’s what I dont know. I dont know why we have a prison system and justice dept which seeks to promote suicide among inmates by literally driving them insane. And I dont know what it was that caused the former prosecutor to slip up and try that stuff on a civillian (Melinda).

But I do know that this really is a sort of “backdoor” to the death penalty in our society. These methods can be used in cases where the courts have failed to do their job. If they can drive you to kill yourself, then there is no-oen to blame but you. It’s like getting away with murder. Happens every day.

Here’s how I got there.
They dont care about Melinda Duckett, and they dont care about Bill Conradt either. They are quite pleased by these suicides. Now, if a former State Prosecutor can get away with that stuff on national TV, just imagine what they are doing to convicts !!

Here’s what I know tonight.
I’ve seen many people in prison driven to suicide, then they are punished for attempting it, then the cycle repeats. Then, after you get out of prison, society will continue to make a protracted attempt on your life by permanently denying employment. The people who are perpetuating this process of manufacturing madness are responsible for creating monsters like the guy who murdered Polly Klaas. That’s the truth.  I’m sick of Nancy’s bogus solutions to crime when it is quite clear to me that it is people like her who are manufacturing the madmen in our prison system who will ultimately be released upon us by our wonderful government. We have 2.5 million people in prison who are getting the same treatment that Melinda recieved each and every day. Then we turn them loose and deprive them of employment, housing, or any assistance whatsoever. This is why I say that people like Nancy Grace are creating crime, and they dont care one little bit because just like the case of Melinda Duckett, you just cant quite pin it on em’.

Here’s what I dont know.
With all the websites, UseNet Newsgroups and cults out there actually promoting suicide, do we really need a government that seems so enthusiastic about doing the same thing ? I dont know how many people have been driven to suicide, and I dont know how many such people have gone on to lash out at humanity, I dont know how far someone will go who has been driven mad this way, and I dont know what the total cost is to society. I dont know why people are so eager to support Nancy Grace, and why people dont care about the death of Melinda Duckett. And I have no idea why the Nancy Grace fan club takes such exquisite pleasure in contributing to the demise of millions by with their nonchalant cruelty, flexing their muscles as they slowly strangle the freedoms out of us all, denying employment to millions of felons permanently with the sole purpose of watching them rapidly wither away or maybe freeze to death in the gutter. I dont know how such people can wrap themselves in the flag, or even call themselves Americans. I dont know that is still possible to distinguish between prosecutor and criminal.

But I do know one thing for sure
“We shall fight her on the beaches, we shall fight her on the landing grounds, we shall fight her in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight her in the hills. We shall never surrender to Nancy Grace.”

Ghost: I don’t know how many people have been driven to suicide, and I don’t know how many such people have gone on to lash out at humanity

I think you got that arse about face ...  cheap shot.
I know where you’re coming from but you’re not getting much response here, are you?
Doesn’t matter. It’s good to vent ... and that’s at the crux of suicides - they don’t vent.
They bottle it up till they asp lode.

I went to a mate’s wife’s 40th birthday party last night - a rare thing; I don’t do crowds but I actually enjoyed myself – music & dancing, beautiful weather, plenty of beer and food.
At one stage I was talking to a young (late 30s) farmer about weather, sheep, the gamble which is farming, stress and suicide.
He told me that, in Oz, a farmer kills himself every four days ... obviously, not the same farmer. 
He gave me a for instance of how ‘easy’ it is: we’re in a drought that’s been happening for a few years. The farmer can’t afford to buy anymore feed for his sheep and takes them to the saleyards ... can’t even give ‘em away. He has to take them back home where he commences to shoot each one and when he’s finished he shoots himself.

I was gonna leave it there for affect but I like raving too.
He explained that a farmer forms an attachment to his stock. He hurried to say it was not like they were pets but time and effort has been spent in looking after them and ... well, I understood what he meant.
About 20 years ago I saw a young farmer shooting his sheep (not himself) - I left after 5 minutes – I found it too heart-rending.

So what’s all that got to do with Nancy Grace?
Fuck all.

He explained that a farmer forms an attachment to his stock...well, I understood what he meant.

Hmmmm.......

Hmmmm.......

Is that just a contemplative observation or an observation to which you want elaboration?
Yes, I noticed there’s no question mark.

To elaborate in any case, as he was telling that farmers help and hold some of the lambs they bring into the world and thereby form ‘an attachment’ on some level, in my head (I didn’t mention my analogy to him) I whizzed to the Nazis killing Jews one by one with a bullet.
It may be an urban myth but I read somewhere that some of these executioners became rather disturbed by the repetitiveness of up close and personal execution and went troppo and to avoid this ‘they’ came up with the mass, impersonal, gas chamber style of execution and used other Jews to ‘clear the debris’ to distance themselves even further.
Nevertheless, I understood what he was talking about on a psychological level which I can’t seem to explain any better than I have - nor was he able to explain it any better.

It was interesting that he tried to explain the level of stress that farmers go through during the ‘hard times’ of a drought by comparing it to my Vietnam experience.
Of course I didn’t mention that farming is a choice … he needed to talk; I was willing to listen. 

Nancy Grace reminds me of a quote from Dorothy Parker:
She looks like something that would eat its young.
Meow. 

Sorry to kill the nice thread you had going here, I’m really just trying to put togther a sermon which is so convincing that it will swing half of Texas to vote for Hillary in 08’ .

What you need are some Gyro stands. They would’nt have any problem selling sheep if you had some Greeks in the area.

Hell, you could probably even sell the sheep in Houston, but for an entirely different purpose.  : )

Nancy Dis-Grace is the quintessential Whore of
Babylon from Hell with a bleeding rotten cherry
on top.

Yes, Nancy Grace certainly is there Matt.  She just won an award for being that too.  He is the verifiable Link:  http://irqportz.wordpress.com/2006/09/07/nancy-grace-attention-whore-of-the-month-award/

And, don’t forget to check out her Petition drive:  http://www.petitiononline.com/nopetit1/

You’re preachin’ to the choir sister -

I am the ghost of a dead convict, wrongly convicted and murdered in prison, my spirit now inhabits cyberspace as I seek to avenge the injustices which were inflicted upon me in life.

I remember the day that they came looking for me. people had been spreading rumors for a few days and I noticed a strange look on people’s faces which had not been there before.

Then, I recieved word from a friend that an angry mob was assembled and was going to hunt me down and kill me.

I ran for my life, but all I could think about was the false accusations being made against me by a bunch of gossipy old southern hags, their angry faces swirled in my mind as I tried to escape their hate filled spew. My nightmare faded into reality as I found myself on the ground being kicked violently by a group of angry men, women and children.

I lifted my face, battered and bloodied to the sight of a cop approaching the scene. “At last” I thought, the cop will save my ass from this crowd. I looked at him and saw the US flag sewn to his shirt sleeve, and I felt confident that I’d have my day in court.

But my confidence dwindled fast as I noticed the angry look on his face. “Is this the guy ?” he shouted, “YES, IT’S HIM” they screamed. And at that moment I felt his fist smash my face. I was knoced out cold. The crowd began tearing at my trousers and within 2 minutes I was being raped by a cop in front of a cheering crowd for a crime I had not committed.

This is how my story begins. It begins with a bunch of old hags “bearing false witness” against me on TV for a terrible crime which I had not committed. Later, after having many abuses and injustices heaped upon me by corrupt cops and an out-of-control prison system, I was murdered for sport by a system which was forcing me to die a slow miserable death as people looked on and laughed, videotaping the killing for their bookies who were taking bets on my life 2,000 miles away in Las Vegas. Yes, yes - “I Love My Country” I exclaimed as they prodded, after each TV telecast of those horrible vicious lies, the TV set in my face I am strapped into a chair and forced to watch those horrible lies......

...the Taser BURNED my flesh as the sick stench of burning flesh started to rise as they prodded me to recite the my forced confession, over and over and over.....

BZZZZZZT - and I screamed and screamed until I was exhausted and my screams of terrror were drowned out by the sounds of their laughter and uncontrolled giggling....BZZZZZZZT they shocked me - over and over until my flesh ignited ........

This could’nt be happening to me, not in America, we have laws against cruel and unusual tortures I kept telling myself and then BZZZZZZZZZZZT…

Don? Is that you?

SS: Don? Is that you?

If so I wonder if he defended himself in court.

By Don do you mean Max ?

My existence as a cyber-spirit was brought forth in a very horrible way.

My interrogators, having deprived me of sleep and food for several days, brought me to an isolated room in the basement of a hospital which was fully equipped trauma center.

They strapped me to a board which pivots in the middle and began dunking me underwater. They kept me underwater so long that I did actually die, several times. But they had doctors on hand who were monitoring my heart and brain activity, and each time I died they would bring me back and start the process all over again.

I do not know how many time they killed me. I cannot count the number of times I was murdered on that waterboard, but one very odd thing - there was a terminal in that room with a highspeed connection to the internet, and each time I lapsed into death I felt myself being drawn further and further into a strange quantum world of electrical signals and information.

The faces of the old southern hags who were spinning in my mind, with the false accusations and wicked hateful inuendos, all of this vanished in an explosion of white light and electical brissance which is now my very being.

I am trapped now - in the internet - a being without a body - an electronic spirit - and I can only be freed by the truth - I must expose the truth about the hateful ultraconservatives or I will remain trapped on this network FOREVER !

I am dead. As I said before, I was brutally murdered over and over, revived several times, but now I cannot be brought back.

I have spoken to the spirit of Melinda Duckett, and she has told he of the horrors that she experienced when she was accused on TV, and how horrible she felt. How the Constitution and the Law were twisted into a weapon against her, and thrust through her heart like a red hot harpoon.

She stated how ironic it is that one can go to jail in the US for making inappropriate comments in an airport which result in no tangible damages, but we allow people in the mass media such a wide degree of latitude that they can inflict any terror upon their victim and there are no consequences whatsoever.

She cried as she told me her story about those hateful and wicked ultraconservatives, and all I could do was to console her that she will reside in peace, in heaven, that she can finally be free from the lies which tormented her forever.

All fades to white, bristling blue electrical sparks and arcs of the electrical world of the quantum prison which holds me - I’m fading now - I will try to find you again..........

......1010001101,......010100001.....10-11101010ejwkld9-21i919q99899......

Some You-Tube clips of Nancy dis-Grace.

You-Tube Video: SNL Nancy Grace - Duke Lacrosse
Holiday Message from Nancy Grace.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YycOd4dJd40&mode=related&search=

You-Tube Video: Saturday Night Live: Nancy Grace
Wearing upper and lower lashes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGlG7Oy2fXQ&mode=related&search=

You-Tube Video: Duke Lacrosse - LAST STAND
Willie Nelson song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFVvCpgH4CQ&mode=related&search=

You-Tube Video: Nancy Grace is the Devil
Swear-words included.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHaictmKTc4&mode=related&search=

You-Tube Video: Nancy Grace is Shy
Nancy is frightened and shy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUS6N0pwCsU&mode=related&search=

You-Tube Video: Nancy Grace ticks me off
A viewer says Nancy is a freekin-moran.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWFhHKFMoeg&mode=related&search=

You-Tube Video: H A T E Video
Nancy Grace’s HATE towards the Duke Lacrosse players.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0uBcjT1sRM&mode=related&search=

All you liberal, soft on crime democrats are jealous of nancy!!!!

go nancy! She represents us conservative, southern, women well!!!!!!!!!

Sorry Conservative, but you are incorrect in your last assertions about Nancy Grace.  She is not a democrat as you claim.  And, no one that truly understands just how criminal Nancy Grace is gives a rat’s butt about ever being jealous of Nancy’s continued criminal and libelous actions.  Nancy only represents dishonesty, inappropriate misrepresentations, and continued illegal actions towards victims out there.  Since Nancy was never a victim of a crime, she has no clue at all.  It is obvious why the city of Atlanta finally threw Nancy out on her butt and why they eliminated her ability to ever practice Law anymore anywhere within the United States. Try a new informed approach there C, try to deal only with facts, and not your uninformed emotional misinformed attitude.  Good luck.

Another lie from Nancy Grace.
Nancy Grace claims to be the father of Anna Nichol’s baby.
Nancy Grace is now claiming to be the father of Anna Nicole’s baby.  When will Nancy Grace stop lying?  It is highly suspected that Nancy is simply just stating yet another lie, and her recent claim is probably not even close to being true, as much of what she states already proves incorrect.  Perhaps, it may be time again for another “stay” in her Psych Ward.  One of sound-mind might conclude that Nancy might be busy enough trying to generate up some type of a defense to some of her current lawsuits against Nancy to keep her busy enough to help eliminate Nancy from making such a fool of herself again.  But, it does not appear Nancy is capable from not acting like a fool.

http://www.tvsquad.com/2007/02/19/nancy-grace-is-the-father-of-anna-nicoles-baby/

This got very weird when I wasn’t looking.

I’m the father of Anne Nichol Smith’s baby, and so’s my wife.

Hmmm… Maybe Nancy has some hidden hardware…

Nancy Grace was proven wrong again on all of her assertions on the Winkler case on Thursday April 19th.  Doesn’t CNN management ever watch Nancy’s shows anymore? 

Nancy Grace has documented herself to be incorrect, in some fashion, on just about every single case Nancy has attempted to cover over the recent months.  While Nancy continues to rack up more potential lawsuit cases against herself and CNN for her continued defamation, slander, libel, and even the wrongful death Nancy is currently linked to by Nancy’s own possible illegal actions, it is well documented that Nancy Grace is not un-willing to commit even more such crimes against even more and more victims. 

Some Courts have already reprimanded Nancy Grace for some of her documented misconduct.  But, Nancy continues to rack up more and more violations of Civil Law, and possibly even Criminal Law too, and it is hard to keep up with the continued violations-count, and her seemingly constant violations Nancy has been committing against victim after victim after victim. 

The Lawsuits that are soon to be coming from VanderSloot, Howard Stern of the Anna Nichol Smith case, and others against Nancy infractions (according to the attorneys) and the upcoming Lawsuits from all the Duke defendants, as well as possibly from Winkler herself according to her attorney Ferese, Nancy’s continued law violations appear to be occurring on nearly every single day Nancy is on television. 

My goodness, Don Imus just lost his job for stating something that could, in-fact, may have been a factual and accurate statement by his derogatory statements towards the women’s basketball team.  How CNN can allow Nancy to documenteven more violations against even more and more victims is just senseless and a total shame for CNN to just stand by and allow this irreprehensible behavior to continue against more and more victims from Nancy Grace.  It is truly just ridiculous.  Perhaps it is time to change from CNN to broadcasting Nancy Grace on something like comedy central where her conduct more appropriates is representative.

Has CNN already forgotten that Nancy Grace has current lawsuits filed against her for Nancy’s role in the death of a non-convicted victim who Nancy Grace had called on the telephone?  Wake up CNN, Imus had to apparently be removed from the airways, and he wasn’t even directly involved in connection of someone’s death. Nor was Imus continuing to victimize more victims as Nancy has documented that she is continuing. 

Maybe you, CNN, can provide the public with the “magic number” CNN feels is the appropriate-limit that Nancy has to achieve with her slanderous, libelous, her connections to a possible wrongful death actions Nancy has documented against another victim(s), and her defamational statements against victims before CNN will take similar actions as MSNBC had to do towards Don Imus. 

Everyone will be anxious to hear what the “magic number” CNN will tolerate as the group of victims of Nancy Grace grows and grows from her illegal, immoral, and illicit conduct towards so many victims. 

And, how can CNN allow a person like Nancy Grace to be around any true victim at Virginia Tech while Nancy has current lawsuits filed against her for Nancy’s alleged involvement in an early death of a emotionally distraught young mother.  The management of CNN needs some serious investigation-measures to be implemented immediately, for the safety of current and potential future victims of the unprofessional conduct of Nancy Grace.

How CNN can allow Nancy Grace to have any access to victims at Virginia Tech is a matter that should, perhaps, be investigated by the authorities and by attorneys for the potential victims of her unprofessional conduct.  There is a reason Nancy Grace has lawsuits pending against her, with more lawsuits expected in the near future.  For CNN to allow Nancy Grace to have contact with any victim is a crime in and of itself, and needs further consideration by the authorities and by attorneys for the victims sake and safety.  Allowing Nancy Grace to have access to any victim is like placing a Predator
near a schoolyard while the trial is ongoing for the alleged Predator.  It should just not happen.

http://www.comedycentral.com/motherload/player.jhtml?ml_video=85250&ml_collection=&ml_gateway=&ml_gateway_id=&ml_comedian=&ml_runtime=&ml_context=show&ml_origin_url=/&ml_playlist=&lnk=&is_large=true

Nancy Grace was proven wrong again on all of her assertions on the Winkler case on Thursday April 19th.  Doesn’t CNN management ever watch Nancy’s shows anymore? 

Nancy Grace has documented herself to be incorrect, in some fashion, on just about every single case Nancy has attempted to cover over the recent months.  While Nancy continues to rack up more potential lawsuit cases against herself and CNN for her continued defamation, slander, libel, and even the wrongful death Nancy is currently linked to by Nancy’s own possible illegal actions, it is well documented that Nancy Grace is not un-willing to commit even more such crimes against even more and more victims. 

Some Courts have already reprimanded Nancy Grace for some of her documented misconduct.  But, Nancy continues to rack up more and more violations of Civil Law, and possibly even Criminal Law too, and it is hard to keep up with the continued violations-count, and her seemingly constant violations Nancy has been committing against victim after victim after victim. 

The Lawsuits that are soon to be coming from VanderSloot, Howard Stern of the Anna Nichol Smith case, and others against Nancy infractions (according to the attorneys) and the upcoming Lawsuits from all the Duke defendants, as well as possibly from Winkler herself according to her attorney Ferese, Nancy’s continued law violations appear to be occurring on nearly every single day Nancy is on television. 

My goodness, Don Imus just lost his job for stating something that could, in-fact, may have been a factual and accurate statement by his derogatory statements towards the women’s basketball team.  How CNN can allow Nancy to documenteven more violations against even more and more victims is just senseless and a total shame for CNN to just stand by and allow this irreprehensible behavior to continue against more and more victims from Nancy Grace.  It is truly just ridiculous.  Perhaps it is time to change from CNN to broadcasting Nancy Grace on something like comedy central where her conduct more appropriates is representative.

Has CNN already forgotten that Nancy Grace has current lawsuits filed against her for Nancy’s role in the death of a non-convicted victim who Nancy Grace had called on the telephone?  Wake up CNN, Imus had to apparently be removed from the airways, and he wasn’t even directly involved in connection of someone’s death. Nor was Imus continuing to victimize more victims as Nancy has documented that she is continuing. 

Maybe you, CNN, can provide the public with the “magic number” CNN feels is the appropriate-limit that Nancy has to achieve with her slanderous, libelous, her connections to a possible wrongful death actions Nancy has documented against another victim(s), and her defamational statements against victims before CNN will take similar actions as MSNBC had to do towards Don Imus. 

Everyone will be anxious to hear what the “magic number” CNN will tolerate as the group of victims of Nancy Grace grows and grows from her illegal, immoral, and illicit conduct towards so many victims. 

And, how can CNN allow a person like Nancy Grace to be around any true victim at Virginia Tech while Nancy has current lawsuits filed against her for Nancy’s alleged involvement in an early death of a emotionally distraught young mother.  The management of CNN needs some serious investigation-measures to be implemented immediately, for the safety of current and potential future victims of the unprofessional conduct of Nancy Grace.

How CNN can allow Nancy Grace to have any access to victims at Virginia Tech is a matter that should, perhaps, be investigated by the authorities and by attorneys for the potential victims of her unprofessional conduct.  There is a reason Nancy Grace has lawsuits pending against her, with more lawsuits expected in the near future.  For CNN to allow Nancy Grace to have contact with any victim is a crime in and of itself, and needs further consideration by the authorities and by attorneys for the victims sake and safety.  Allowing Nancy Grace to have access to any victim is like placing a Predator
near a schoolyard while the trial is ongoing for the alleged Predator.  It should just not happen.

http://www.comedycentral.com/motherload/player.jhtml?ml_video=85250&ml_collection=&ml_gateway=&ml_gateway_id=&ml_comedian=&ml_runtime=&ml_context=show&ml_origin_url=/&ml_playlist=&lnk=&is_large=true

Nancy Grace was proven wrong again on Monday April 23rd from all of Nancy’s assertions that KENNETH GLENN HINSON was guilty of crimes including kidnappings, sex crimes, and assault with intent to kill two teen girls in an underground bunker located in Darlington, South Carolina last year. Remember Nancy’s unfounded rants? 

After Nancy Grace pummeled, ridiculed, slandered, and defamed Hinson on multiple shows aired by Nancy Grace/CNN, the court jurors acquitted Hinson today of above charges that Nancy Grace implied repeatedly Hinson was guilty of.  Hinson was facing the possibility of a life sentence without parole, and Nancy had conveyed her apparent desire that a death sentence against Hinson may be more appropriate for Hinson. 

But, sorry Nancy Grace, one has to found guilty of those crimes before those measures can indeed be taken.  Nancy, is wrong again.  It appears that the only crime and miscarriage of justice committed in this matter was the coverage of the case by Nancy Grace.  It is suspected that Nancy Grace will need more direct-counseling, more “damage-control measures”, and possible more medications for the stresses Nancy is experiencing being proven wrong over and over and nearly every single day Nancy Grace broadcasts a show through CNN. 

Get your checkbook ready Nancy, you are certainly going to be writing some big checks soon to help cover some of these upcoming lawsuits against you.  Hinson’s defense attorney, Rick Hoefer, will likely soon sue Nancy Grace and CNN of even more civil crimes that Nancy Grace has documented against herself. 

The upcoming lawsuits against Nancy Grace, alleging Nancy committing crimes against a suicide victim and estate, against all the Duke Lacrosse defendants, and against victims like Joran VanderSloot of the Natalee Holloway case are just a few upcoming lawsuits that will be filed soon against Nancy Grace and CNN according to many defense attorneys and blogs.

It is clear that CNN Management does not even bother to watch any of Nancy’s shows. If they did, they would never allow Nancy Grace to ever be around any victim of any crime.  Nor would they allow her to commit more crimes against more victims as Nancy continues to documentagainst herself.  How CNN can allow this unprofessional misconduct by Nancy Grace to continue to occur is beyond all sensible and rational reasoning.  To make some money-profits over the best interests of victims is not a choice most well-educated and caring people would choose.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18273283/

and

http://www.comedycentral.com/motherload/player.jhtml?ml_video=85250&ml_collection=&ml_gateway=&ml_gateway_id=&ml_comedian=&ml_runtime=&ml_context=show&ml_origin_url=/&ml_playlist=&lnk=&is_large=true

Well, I’m not sure that big TV network execs want “uber-conservatives” as one of you said; they just want extremists in general, liberal or conservative or whatever. But think about it logically: If all the talk-show hosts and ‘interviewees’ were level-headed, reasonable, understanding people, then which one of you confrontational types would want to watch the show? I didn’t know who Nancy Grace was until I saw a funny video of Jon Stewart tearing her apart about some false rape case, which reminded me why I don’t watch that kind of TV (Nancy Grace and others, basically all the big news networks).

Your best bet of all time—in addition to turning off the nuts on the news—is to forget all the labels on political stance in the first place and take each issue for what it is. Many conservatives consider CNN a super-liberal network, whereas many liberals (as you can see in some of these comments) consider it extremely conservative. The fact that these two parties argue so vehemently over the stance of a TV station strikes me as a little crazy. Who cares? Just stop watching.

By the way, I stumbled upon this thread (or whatever this is) after looking for more flaming of Nancy Grace.