I hate Politics, But I love to study Science. Global Warming is becoming another political scandal. I do not doubt for a minute that the Earth is undergoing a huge change, I question what is bringing about the change as a whole. For instance no-one has studied ( Termite Farts )seriously.
They contribute as much damage as we do. And when they banned DDT the problem got worse.

These Scientist should not be silenced, but they should be encouraged to look at the problem other than through a political agenda. The Lobbyist who petition the political powers, and then seek monetary gain as a fix.( Gagit’s ) The problem is simple science for the most part, STOP using fossil fuels, seek alternatives. Take responsibility and act responsible in matters concerning lesser animals. Animal populations as well as insects need to be studied. Both how they contribute, and harm to bring about balance. There is also many unknown factors that are contributing to the problem of Global Warming. Bloodletting our pocketbooks is not the answer. Scientist will tell you that the Earth went through a similar scenario about 75,000 years ago. But wait...That was before GM and Ford. Is there is an unknown factor in the equation missing?

The Ice Age is comming!
The Ice Age is comming!

Gotta love how the Bushistas insist we “need more study” of the global warming issue.  Oh, but we’ll start a war because somebody in some department mighta said in a report somewhere that there could be WMD in Iraq. 

No doubt that more study is always needed.  But when you’re contravening the National Academy of Sciences AND saying that Intelligent Design should be taught as actual science, AND pushing abstinence-only training on the basis of cherry-picked right wing think tank “studies”, you’re left with SQUAT for scientific credibility. 

More to the point, the motivation for politicizing the issue is so glaringly obvious.  Cui bono?  Why, it just so happens to be the energy companies to whom the Bush/Cheney regime is beholden.  What a coincidence!  I understand that if the Dems. take the House next week, Pelosi has promised an investigation into Cheney’s private little pow-wow with the energy execs.  Even if I had a shred of loyalty to the GOP left in me from my Reagan Youth days, I’d still vote Dem. for that reason alone.  Turn on kitchen light--I wanna see the cockroaches scurry before the can of Raid is unloaded on them…

Bush constantly manipulates science not merely because he doesn’t understand it, but more importantly because he is terrified of it. Scientific evidence consistently reveals realities that Bush simply does not like (i.e. evolution, the failure of abstinence-only sex education, a biological basis for homosexuality, the reality of global warming, etc.). I agree that it’s long overdue for a thorough investigation to take place.

I agree with you in general Sadie as regards your comments about evolution and abstinence only education. The reason I agree: The science is actually there.  The folks doing a lot of the studies on abstinence based education are worth noting should their work crop up again.

The pledging group was also less likely to use condoms during their first sexual experience or get tested for STDs, the researchers found…

...That behavior, however, “puts you at risk,” said Hannah Brueckner, assistant professor of sociology at Yale and one of the study’s authors.

Just over 2 years ago, there was a great article in the Skeptic about the way the Bush administration has tried to bend or suppress scientific evidence for political purposes. I think the best reasoning behind this “Politicization Of Science” within the Bush administration is described here:

Bush’s own wife says, “George is not an overly introspective person. He has good instincts, and he goes with them. He doesn’t need to evaluate and reevaluate a decision. He doesn’t try to overthink. He likes action.” Bush seems to value gut instinct over evidence, faith over fact, conviction over reality. He doesn’t need science to know that our food is safe, that the Earth was created in seven days, or that Saddam Hussein was only seconds away from handing over nukes to al Qaeda. If studies say otherwise then agencies have to be reorganized, committees reshuffled, and data reinterpreted until they get it right.

Obviously, you don’t need science to tell you what you already know.  This is especially true if your world is populated with fantastical and magical beings that can do all sorts of supernatural things.

Oh - one more thing - for my fellow scientists.  Years ago my multivariate stats professor gave me this gem, which I always remember, and I think it’s particularly apt in this discussion:

If you torture the data enough, it WILL confess.

Whatever, Consi. I wasn’t much of a sorority girl, though. And as for Yalies, well, you won’t find that I’m part of their clique. I was a Jayhawk.

I’m just pointing out that the position against abstinence based education is founded in large part by Bruecker and Co.  Reliance upon Bruecker and Co. is worth noting.  You know, should their work appear in a future thread. 

You’ve piqued my interest. Is there a reason to expect that their work will appear in a future thread? The names are familiar, yet I find only scanty information about them on the Web.

Double-dipping: I hope all is well with you too, Consi. 

Paul: Scientist will tell you that the Earth went through a similar scenario about 75,000 years ago.

Well, the ‘earth is only 6000 years old’ IDiots won’t be able to exploit that one.

There is a very good reason that the full data regarding the Global issue of (Planetary Warming) is not be disclosed. No one has found the words to tell the human race just how fucked they are. The human race could very well find itself on the near brink of extinction by the year 2050. If the diseases don’t kill us all, the lack of clean drinking water will, or perhaps we will discover that we are even bigger monsters than we thought, and begin eating each other as a food source. Hopefully we will not be here to fuck this place up much longer, and the earth can get back to being what it once was, A nice place to live. If your a Bug. But until then just worry about your own ass. And your immediate families asses. It’s probably too late to do anything about it.

And by the way there is a cure.

Stop Fucking, Driving, Fishing, and anything that uses a power grid. It will be a bit ugly for a while, but as a (species only) and still present on the earth, we might make it if several people could start all over.

Is that what you wanted to hear?

It’s about bloody time.

Stop Fucking ... and anything that uses a power grid

You can do it with the lights off, or by moonlight, you know. And don’t put the batteries in.

All of this spoken by a true and factual modern man/lady. I’m over whelmed with such a high standards.

So, did any one here graduate from high school? How about kindergarten?

Are there any adults on this board? Adult humans that is, to get my wording right if you cannot fill in the blanks.

That is –“A featherless biped with broad nails”. Are there any, and such the like, that have reached the age of maturity on this board?

Maturity defined as, a head filled with more than a bag of rocks or hammers! Must I define what “thinking” is? Should I talk to a tree that just stands there looking beautiful, as if the tree has understanding of words?

Oh, this great, on global warming, and us humans (featherless bipeds with broad nails and a head filed with more than rocks) that think; know very damn well NO one year is as the last, AND you do not piss, and crap, where you eat!

IN ADDITION, Exxon and BP, want to wrap my lips over their exhaust stacks and then tell me, “OH MAN what a natural high, you are a virgin!”

Human stupidity is totally disgusting to me. It is a mockery of everything thing I value and cherish as a living entity.

You do NOT piss and crap where you eat, on this earth or yonder star, and I have to argue global warming? This is insanity, how low must a person be and still carry the title of a human? I truly wonder at times.

Don

I am just wondering, was I the only one that looked out a window in their youth? Hum, the earth sun rose differently from yesterday to day. In addition, humans count this “great knowledge”.

I must have kingdred knowledge in my genetics, given by GOD!

Don

uh, I think it’s time to take your meds, Don.

Well that is very intellectual, KPatrickGlover. How many hours did it take you to come up with those words of wisdom. The bigger question that I should ask, why did you waist your time?

I cannot respond to every Stupid Bastard that figures out how to post a word. I am NOT a god and I am limited.

If you had any sense for conversations, then shorten your name.  Anything more than four (4) letters shows an idiot.

Don

Actually, he goes by the shorthand KPG, and I can only question whether or not anything more than 4 letters shows an idiot, because I’m certainly not, and I rather suspect most of the board has more than 4 letters.

As far as “sense for conversations”, KPG didn’t quite hit the point of saying you’re rambling, which you are. The simplest solution is to keep brevity - make the statement (or argument) you want to make and not more. For instance, I don’t think anyone needed to define mature humans as “featherless bipeds with more than rocks and hammers in their heads”, and I doubt that we’d be able to operate on such a definition for conversation.

You may not like KPG’s response (or mine), but I’m confident in their grounds. Following my advice would likely free up time to respond to more bastards more succintly.

Don: I am limited

Mr. Nail, say hello to Mr. Head.

I did not see KPG, nor did you define ramblings. I guess there is a time space in between post? That makes sense, for retarded morons.

However, OK, KPG, is it. I relent. I now have to memorize and have a definitive association for KPatrickGlover as being KPG. I will add that my “god like” memory.

FINE, then, so you want me to repeat the library of congress, to show my worth? Better yet, go pray to a god, and shorten your gd name to human understanding.

Don.

Paul, I believe that we do have real problems with global warming, fish depletion, pollution and some other things.  Personally, I am not sure what I am willing to do to help mitigate the situation.

Alternative energy is extremely expensive and it is inconvenient to produce and use.  I want nothing to do with handling used fryer oil.  Cars that get the best fuel economy are expensive, silly looking crapmobiles.  I lived through the “energy crisis” of the 1970’s and saw the silly things that were done to “conserve energy”, including cutting off water cooler power cords.  I would like to replace my 20 year old heat pump and refrigerator for more energy efficient appliances, but the cost of the new appliances will not be offset by lower energy costs.  I have learned to reduce and reuse many things.  I live in a small condo, recyclable collection is once a week and trash collection is three times a week.  I don’t have the space to store recyclable garbage for up to a week.  I am also aware of instances where “recycle” collection trucks have simply dumped their contents into landfills because it cost more to sort the recyclables than it did to dump it.

Another problem is that the gloom and doom people have been warning us about impending disaster since the 1970’s; humans have been able to mitigate much of the damage and mother earth has shown herself to be more resiliant.  We had an ozone depletion problem, CFC’s were banned/reduced and the problem seems to be resolving itself.  Automobile exhaust is cleaner than ever.  I believe that the smog problems in major cities are getting better, even though the populations in those cities are growing.  America’s lakes and rivers have been largely cleaned up.  We were warned several times that by certain years and certain population levels that we would not be able produce enough food to feed the population; we have passed those population milestones several times and we still have enough food.

At first, most people didn’t believe the gloom and doom predictions, and nothing bad happened to most people.  Gloom and doom predictions have become passe’ and most people believe that any of the forcast calamities will be resolved, just like the smog problems and the ozone hole problems have been largely resolved.

Don, you have a mighty ego. Everything with you is me, me, me. and do you really think everyone has nothing better to do than read your ramblings?

My advice is slow down, make some friends here and try to enjoy your stay. We’re not just imagining that you’re being annoying.

Don, I can’t possibly respond “intellectually” to a post that is so garbled that after three readings I still can’t figure out what side of what arguement you’re on. Is English you’re native language? If so, the school system here has obviously failed you.