BSA, RIAA, MPAA don’t care if their DRM might cause you harm.

Posted by Les on Sunday, March 19, 2006 at 01:41 PM. Read 1058 times. Tags: ,
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Yet another reason to oppose DRM: Ed Felton of the blog Freedom To Tinker tells us about the U.S. Copyright Office’s triennial DMCA exemption rulemaking that’s currently ongoing and how a coalition of big copyright owners put forth an amazing argument in their latest submission in which they object to a provision to allow users to remove DRM that might potentially “employ access control measures which threaten critical infrastructure and potentially endanger lives.”

Their objections to these two requests (and others) consist mostly of lawyerly parsing, but at the end of their argument about our request comes this (from pp. 22-23 of the document, if you’re reading along at home):

    Furthermore, the claimed beneficial impact of recognition of the exemption — that it would “provide an incentive for the creation of protection measures that respect the security of consumers’ computers while protecting the interests of the record labels” ([citation to our request]) — would be fundamentally undermined if copyright owners — and everyone else — were left in such serious doubt about which measures were or were not subject to circumvention under the exemption.

Hanging from the end of the above-quoted excerpt is a footnote:

    This uncertainty would be even more severe under the formulations proposed in submissions 2 (in which the terms “privacy or security” are left completely undefined) or 8 [i.e., the CCIA request] (in which the boundaries of the proposed exemption would turn on whether access controls “threaten critical infrastructure and potentially endanger lives” ).

You read that right. They’re worried that there might be “serious doubt” about whether their future DRM access control systems are covered by these exemptions, and they think the doubt “would be even more severe” if the “exemption would turn on whether access controls ‘threaten critical infrastructure and potentially endanger lives’.”

Yikes.

One would have thought they’d make awfully sure that a DRM measure didn’t threaten critical infrastructure or endanger lives, before they deployed that measure. But apparently they want to keep open the option of deploying DRM even when there are severe doubts about whether it threatens critical infrastructure and potentially endangers lives.

And here’s the really amazing part. In order to protect their ability to deploy this dangerous DRM, they want the Copyright Office to withhold from users permission to uninstall DRM software that actually does threaten critical infrastructure and endanger lives.

I admit that I’m harping on this issue in part because of the rather surprising advocacy for DRM that my friend Daryl Cantrell has put forward here on SEB as of late. He seems to be of the opinion that it will hearald in a new era of lower-cost media with no negative impact on consumers because all these poor abused companies want is to be paid for their products and they only have our best interests at heart. They’d never think to try and charge for features we currently enjoy for free, or try to limit our Fair Use rights, or take away control of our devices on a whim, right? They love us and would never do anything like deploy a seriously flawed DRM rootkit that comprised a few millions PCs in homes, businesses, and government offices with a serious security risk. You’ve got nothing to worry about so why should we allow you to remove our DRM just because you think it might be endangering lives or something silly like that? Silly liberals, just trust us and we’ll take care of you.

With friends like that…

Apologies to Ed Felton for quoting so much of his entry, but he brings the point home very well. Link found via Boing Boing.

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Ragman United States Posted on 03/20/2006 at 10:18 AM

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Of course they don’t care what it fucks up, it’s not their problem.  They seem to have a habit of trying to make others do the hard work of protecting their interests. 

The more they do shit like this, the more they encourage piracy.  And after watching cd prices remain scarcely unchanged since the 1980’s, I have no belief whatsoever that this media cartel will let prices drop.  You’ll see purchase prices drop only when they have a way of making you pay more down the line, like yearly liscense fees.

Someone had an article comparing the losses due to piracy, crime, and other lost work hours to money made by businesses.  Came out the losses were greater than the amount of money available.  I just can’t remember where I found it.

Daryl Cantrell United States Posted on 03/20/2006 at 10:20 AM

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Les: I admit that I’m harping on this issue in part because of the rather surprising advocacy for DRM that my friend Daryl Cantrell has put forward here on SEB as of late. He seems to be of the opinion that it will hearald in a new era of lower-cost media with no negative impact on consumers because all these poor abused companies want is to be paid for their products and they only have our best interests at heart.

Now you are fighting with straw men.  If you can find a place where I’ve ever implied that corporations have consumers’ best interests at heart, by all means post a link.

The great thing about free market economies is that they work well when companies only have their own interests at heart and don’t give a rat’s ass about consumers except as revenue streams.

Contrast that with left-leaning, proto-socialist economies: wherein the consumer can only hope that the government has his best interests at heart, because the government has no competitors looking to steal customers by undercutting prices or offering better service.

Les: They’d never think to try and charge for features we currently enjoy for free, or try to limit our Fair Use rights, or take away control of our devices on a whim, right?

They wouldn’t?  I find that hard to believe.  I imagine they’re thinking about new ways to make money right now, before DRM is even viable.  They’re corporations: thinking about how to make money is what they do.

Of course, there’s a great difference between “thinking” and “doing”.  Big corporations think of new ways to make money all the time: It’s getting consumers to pay that’s the problem.  Sellers love to charge for stuff, and buyers love to get stuff for free.  Somewhere between these two extremes lies “commerce”.

Tell me something, Les.  Wal*Mart charges less for CDs today than they did 5 years ago.  They are also muscling in on the music download scene, charging 88¢ to undercut iTunes’ 99¢ price point and steal Apple’s customers.

Do you think that Wal*Mart is lowering the price of CDs and music downloads because they have consumers’ best interests at heart?  Perhaps Wal*Mart just doesn’t like money?

Heck, forget Wal*Mart.  Let’s talk about something I really care about: Daryl Cantrell.  Daryl wants DRM to succeed.  Why?  Because effective copy protections will shift costs away from people who buy their software, music and videos.  Those costs won’t disappear: they will be shifted towards people who currently “freeload”—copying from friends, or downloading from BitTorrent.  Anything that shifts costs away from me and onto freeloaders is something I can support.

Ragman United States Posted on 03/20/2006 at 10:50 AM

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Wal*Mart charges less for CDs today than they did 5 years ago.

And 5 years ago, they charged MORE than they did 14 years ago. 

charging 88¢ to undercut iTunes’ 99¢ price point and steal Apple’s customers.

I thought iPods wouldn’t play anything but iTunes downloads?  Kinda hard to steal a customer who has a proprietary kit. 

Anyway, if they’re buying iPods and wanting those blazing white accessories, they’re likely not THAT concerned by a $0.11 price difference.  They’re paying for a status symbol.

Les United States Posted on 03/20/2006 at 02:01 PM

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Daryl writes…

Now you are fighting with straw men.  If you can find a place where I’ve ever implied that corporations have consumers’ best interests at heart, by all means post a link.

That’s the implication I take away from your comments to date and I said as much in my entry. You keep listing off all these wonderful benefits to DRM as though the companies aren’t so much as considering the possible ways they could use it against us in the long run.

The great thing about free market economies is that they work well when companies only have their own interests at heart and don’t give a rat’s ass about consumers except as revenue streams.

Yep, Enron sure proved how great that line of thinking works.

Contrast that with left-leaning, proto-socialist economies: wherein the consumer can only hope that the government has his best interests at heart, because the government has no competitors looking to steal customers by undercutting prices or offering better service.

Don’t see any reason why private enterprise can’t try to offer better services at cheaper prices than what the Government does. If they did there’s little reason for folks not to make use of it.

Tell me something, Les.  Wal*Mart charges less for CDs today than they did 5 years ago.  They are also muscling in on the music download scene, charging 88¢ to undercut iTunes’ 99¢ price point and steal Apple’s customers.

Do you think that Wal*Mart is lowering the price of CDs and music downloads because they have consumers’ best interests at heart?  Perhaps Wal*Mart just doesn’t like money?

The problem with your whole Wal*Mart analogy is that it’s not reflective of the attempts to get DRM mandated by federal law into all electronic devices.

There’s not going to be a lot of competition among DRM providers in the future if these laws get passed. You won’t be able to decide to buy a digital device that doesn’t have DRM if you find it too restrictive or go with a device with a less-restrictive form of DRM because it’ll all be the same crap foisted upon us from the likes of Intel.

You keep hyping the idea of free market competition all the while ignoring the fact that it doesn’t apply to the DRM they’re trying to get mandated by law.

Heck, forget Wal*Mart.  Let’s talk about something I really care about: Daryl Cantrell.  Daryl wants DRM to succeed.  Why?  Because effective copy protections will shift costs away from people who buy their software, music and videos.  Those costs won’t disappear: they will be shifted towards people who currently “freeloadâ€?—copying from friends, or downloading from BitTorrent.  Anything that shifts costs away from me and onto freeloaders is something I can support.

Except that you have no real basis for that conclusion as it’s a best-case scenario. Which do you honestly think is more likely if a truly robust DRM comes to pass: That everyone who was freeloading will suddenly start paying for their content and the companies will be so happy that they drop prices? Or they just decide to keep prices where they are and pocket the extra cash? You’re already used to paying the higher prices now so why bother to lower them?

There’s also nothing that says the freeloaders will start paying for the content once it’s no longer copyable. While some may start coughing up the dough it’s entirely possible that many more of them may just live without it resulting in a less than substantial increase in revenue for the content owners giving them no real reason to adjust prices assuming they’re inclined to do so in the first place.

Meanwhile you’ve given up your right to do whatever you want with the media you’ve purchased, something you claimed in another thread you supposedly considered important. On top of that if it turns out the DRM is comprising your safety or security you won’t be able to remove it without breaking the law.

You don’t normally make such simplistic assumptions in your arguments so I’m very surprised to see you tossing them around with wild abandon in the DRM debate.

Ragman asks…

I thought iPods wouldn’t play anything but iTunes downloads?  Kinda hard to steal a customer who has a proprietary kit.

Not true, iPods will also play standard MP3 files in addition to Apple’s FairPlay DRM protected format. If it didn’t then the iPod I recently received would be up for auction on eBay as I only own one album I bought from iTunes and it’d be useless to me. I mainly rip my own CDs to MP3 format to use on my iPod—which is a standard example of Fair Use rights—but I’d be prohibited from doing this if the CDs were protected by DRM and I’d be breaking the law if I defeated the DRM in order to use the content I’ve purchased on my iPod. The RIAA is even arguing that ripping CDs I own shouldn’t be considered Fair Use.

Of course, Wal*Mart doesn’t offer files in MP3 format—they use Microsoft’s WMA-format that is incompatible with iPods—which is really ironic considering that they sell iPods. If you own an iPod and buy music files from Wal*Mart and want to use the two together you’ll have to strip the DRM from the files and convert them to standard MP3s, essentially committing a FELONY in the process thanks to the DMCA.

So it’s great that Wal*Mart is undercutting Apple’s iTunes and all except that it doesn’t help them in the least to attract any iPod owners, except maybe the stupid ones who don’t realize Wal*Mart music downloads won’t work in their iPods. And how many of those stupid people do you think are going to be pissed off once they realize those $0.88 songs won’t work in their iPods?

Sure, Apple could add WMA compatibility to their iPods after licensing the technology from Microsoft, but they’re not going to so long as they dominate the market and they’re sure as hell not going to license their FairPlay DRM to anyone else.

Why should Wal*Mart care if their music products can’t be used by iPod owners? The iPod dominates the portable music device market. There’s been some 42 million sold since 2001 with 32 million of them selling during 2005 alone (if you believe Steve Jobs at least) and 850 million sales of music downloads via iTunes gave it an 83% market share. That’s an awful lot of potential customers to ignore and it’s going to take more than an 11 cent price difference to get them to chuck their iPod in favor of a WMA compatible device.

Which brings us back to the low-cost free market utopia envisioned by Daryl. In a best-case scenario we end up with a federally mandated form of DRM on all digital and analog devices produced in the future that everyone conforms to and maybe the companies involved will lower their prices and not take advantage of the fact that we no longer have full control over our purchases.

In a worst-case scenario DRM is mandated, but no single standard is settled upon so you end up with a situation similar to what we have now with competing DRM technologies that are incompatible with each other and no non-DRM alternatives to choose from with the possibility that companies will decide to start charging you for what has been traditionally considered a Fair Use of the content you’ve purchased.

Or maybe we’ll end up someplace in the middle with a hodgepodge of solutions and price ranges that’ll make the VHS/Betamax debate seem desirable in comparison. Regardless, we’ll have less of an ability to do whatever we want with the content we’ve purchased whether that use is legal under copyright law or not.

Which is a point I’ve raised several times that Daryl has ignored so far. His claim that, as a wacky conservative, he believes he should be able to do whatever he wants with that movie he just purchased contrasted to his embracing of DRM as a “good thing” because he somehow thinks giving up his right to do what he wants will save him money.

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Ragman United States Posted on 03/20/2006 at 02:51 PM

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If you own an iPod and buy music files from Wal*Mart and want to use the two together you’ll have to strip the DRM from the files and convert them to standard MP3s, essentially committing a FELONY in the process thanks to the DMCA.

My bad on wally world’s encoding.  You are allowed to make audio cds from the WMA files you get from wallyworld, but I don’t know what the DRM would do at that point.  I haven’t tried ripping one back from cd.  All my wally wurld downloads are burnt to audio cd anyways, in case the DRM fucks up and locks me out of my music.  And so I can listen in the car.

JethricOne United States Posted on 03/20/2006 at 06:18 PM

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The great thing about free market economies is that they work well when companies only have their own interests at heart and don’t give a rat’s ass about consumers except as revenue streams.

What works even better is when the cost of entry or ownership of property for the product is sufficiently restrictive that you get into an oligarchical relationship with your “competitors”, and agree to all abide by anti-consumer practices that make everybody more money--again without having to give a rat’s ass about comumers except as revenue streams.

It works especially well when the resource isn’t optional, like gasoline--then you can have fun things like the recent 25% increase in prices over a month (with no external rationale for it), and nobody can do anything but pay.

But since infotainment isn’t mandatory, certainly it’s better to go for government regulations to maintain the current level of revenue, as an alternative to actually providing content value.

I wish I could participate more in the selling side of that free market oligarcy economy. I wouldn’t have to commute as far.

Daryl Cantrell United States Posted on 03/20/2006 at 08:52 PM

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Les: Don’t see any reason why private enterprise can’t try to offer better services at cheaper prices than what the Government does.

By far the most common reason is that the government makes such competition illegal.

I can glance out my window from where I’m sitting and see an example of this: The city I live in recently cut the amount of trash you can put on the curb by two-thirds, with no reduction in monthly charges.  This would be an ideal situation where another company could come in and steal their business, but it won’t happen: the city made private trash-hauling illegal.

Les: The problem with your whole Wal*Mart analogy is that it’s not reflective of the attempts to get DRM mandated by federal law into all electronic devices.

DRM mandated by US law wouldn’t actually work, because some other countries wouldn’t go along with the scheme.  Anyway, I’m not aware of any attempt on the part of Intel or the Trusted Computing Group to “require” anyone to implement their ideas.  Up to this point, Apple doesn’t seem interested.  That might change if more TCG-only content starts to appear.

Les: Except that you have no real basis for that conclusion as it’s a best-case scenario. Which do you honestly think is more likely if a truly robust DRM comes to pass: That everyone who was freeloading will suddenly start paying for their content and the companies will be so happy that they drop prices? Or they just decide to keep prices where they are and pocket the extra cash? You’re already used to paying the higher prices now so why bother to lower them?

Once again, your post betrays a rather naïve understanding of how free-market economies operate.  Companies don’t drop prices because they’re “happy”, and yes they would certainly be more than willing to pocket the extra cash.  And some more cash on top of that, if they can find it.

You seem to think that companies need some sort of benevolent urge in order to lower prices.  Let me assure you this is not the case: most large companies are devoid of benevolence.  They grudgingly lower their prices because they want people to keep buying their products rather than those of their competitors.  That’s all.

Producers won’t keep prices of uncopyable software high for the same exact reason they don’t keep prices of uncopyable gasoline, uncopyable kiwi fruit, or uncopyable beer high: because their competitors would undercut them and eventually drive them out of business.

Les, it’s already impossible download a Big Mac or a pair of Air Jordans from BitTorrent.  It’s impossible to burn a copy from your buddy who already has one—does that mean the companies selling them can suddenly charge as much as they want and everyone will just have to pay???  Of course not.

Les: There’s also nothing that says the freeloaders will start paying for the content once it’s no longer copyable. While some may start coughing up the dough it’s entirely possible that many more of them may just live without it resulting in a less than substantial increase in revenue for the content owners giving them no real reason to adjust prices assuming they’re inclined to do so in the first place.

Some will decide they don’t want to pay for content, and would rather do without.  Their choice—it’s their money.

In fact, many people are willing to pay for content, they’d just prefer to get it for free.  In any case, more people will be paying for software, moveis, and music.  This will divide the costs of production across more people, which means the my share of those costs will get smaller.

JethricOne: What works even better is when the cost of entry or ownership of property for the product is sufficiently restrictive that you get into an oligarchical relationship with your “competitors�, and agree to all abide by anti-consumer practices that make everybody more money--again without having to give a rat’s ass about comumers except as revenue streams.

It works especially well when the resource isn’t optional, like gasoline--then you can have fun things like the recent 25% increase in prices over a month (with no external rationale for it), and nobody can do anything but pay.

The “oligarchy” myth.

The reason this sort of “grand plan” has never actually worked is that rich people are very greedy (duh).  No matter how high the “cost of entry”, there’s always another Rupert Murdoch, Walton Family heir, or Saudi Prince out there looking for someplace to invest 5, 10, or 50 billion dollars.

By the time a cartel goes to all the trouble of inflating profit margins and price-fixing, one of two things happens: (1) one of their own members back-stabs them, lowers prices, and gobbles up market share (this is where OPEC always seems to end up), or (2) the fat profits encourage new people to enter the market, undercut cartel prices and make a mint.

Patness Canada Posted on 03/20/2006 at 10:30 PM

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Some will decide they don’t want to pay for content, and would rather do without.  Their choice—it’s their money.

I have to second the preceded point. When I was back in highschool a lot of kids used filesharing systems, as did I. I never listened to music before that - except the Metallica and Pantera my brothers listened to. Now that I have disposable income, I own probably 30 CDs, many of which are bands I never realized existed back then.

When it comes to data, it’s hard to ‘steal’ something you’d never pay for. In my case, it netted the companies involved a few hundred bucks, years down the road.

The “oligarchy� myth.

Not a myth, just a self-correcting problem. The thing is, how long’s it going to take for that to kick in? Understandably, most people aren’t interested in waiting for things to fix themselves if they think there’s a better way. The advisedness of their opinions is another matter entirely.
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Les United States Posted on 03/21/2006 at 09:58 AM

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Daryl writes…

By far the most common reason is that the government makes such competition illegal.

I can glance out my window from where I’m sitting and see an example of this: The city I live in recently cut the amount of trash you can put on the curb by two-thirds, with no reduction in monthly charges.  This would be an ideal situation where another company could come in and steal their business, but it won’t happen: the city made private trash-hauling illegal.

In many places I’m sure that’s true, but not all. Kinda supports my argument against government mandated DRM though.

DRM mandated by US law wouldn’t actually work, because some other countries wouldn’t go along with the scheme.  Anyway, I’m not aware of any attempt on the part of Intel or the Trusted Computing Group to “requireâ€? anyone to implement their ideas.  Up to this point, Apple doesn’t seem interested.  That might change if more TCG-only content starts to appear.

There’s a number of bills pending, many authored by folks at the RIAA and MPAA, that would “plug the analog hole” and mandate DRM schemes on all devices capable of transferring or displaying media content.

Once again, your post betrays a rather naïve understanding of how free-market economies operate.  Companies don’t drop prices because they’re “happyâ€?, and yes they would certainly be more than willing to pocket the extra cash.  And some more cash on top of that, if they can find it.

Then stop suggesting that the implementation of DRM is certain to result in lower prices as there’s nothing to suggest that’ll be the case at all.

You seem to think that companies need some sort of benevolent urge in order to lower prices.

Actually I think exactly the opposite is true, which is the point I’ve been trying to make. I completely fail to see how giving up control over my devices in any way motivates these people to lower their prices. If anything it gives them motivation to raise them.

Producers won’t keep prices of uncopyable software high for the same exact reason they don’t keep prices of uncopyable gasoline, uncopyable kiwi fruit, or uncopyable beer high: because their competitors would undercut them and eventually drive them out of business.

Have you seen the price of gas lately? Heard about how one of the big oil companies hit an all-time record profit recently? Not exactly a good example to go with.

Les, it’s already impossible download a Big Mac or a pair of Air Jordans from BitTorrent.  It’s impossible to burn a copy from your buddy who already has one—does that mean the companies selling them can suddenly charge as much as they want and everyone will just have to pay???  Of course not.

I’m not suggesting that if DRM becomes mandatory on everything that anyone will be forced to pay anything at all. Unlikely as I think it would be, it’s possible we could all stop buying content altogether, but that doesn’t invalidate my reasons against implementing DRM in the first place.

Again my primary point is that I, as a wacky liberal, feel I have the right to do what I want with that CD/DVD/Blu-Ray disc I just bought which would include ripping the content to put onto my PC/iPod/portable media player/phone/etcetera. There’s a very good chance that DRM will limit or remove my ability to do that regardless of whether I’m breaking the law or not and there’s no reason to assume that by giving up my Fair Use rights that I’ll guarantee to get lower priced media as a result. On top of that there’s an attempt to pass laws that would make it a illegal for me to remove said DRM schemes from my systems even if it ends up being a major security/safety risk.

What really cracks me up is that you keep going on about how Free Markets and competition is such a wonderful thing, but DRM is already being used to defeat competition:

    Apple computers has modified its iPod technology in order to prevent RealNetworks’ Harmony software from undercutting its service and profiting off iPod download revenue, according to reports.

    Internet music store, RealNetworks, had launched the Harmony program to enable consumers to download music directly onto their iPods without having to pay Apple or the iTunes music site.

    But Apple has accused RealNetworks of employing “hacking” tactics to embezzle profits.

Right now Apple could release a firmware patch for the iPod that will install itself through iTunes regardless of whether I want it to or not that could disable the iPod’s ability to play MP3 files. That’s part of the reason I had to be given an iPod for free rather than purchasing one outright. Will they do it? Don’t know, but if they do at least I won’t be out $250 on an iPod.

In fact, many people are willing to pay for content, they’d just prefer to get it for free.  In any case, more people will be paying for software, moveis, and music.  This will divide the costs of production across more people, which means the my share of those costs will get smaller.

There’s absolutely nothing that says that will be the case at all. You’re just as likely to continue to pay the same amount regardless of whether or not more people start paying for content they were getting for free.

Case in point: World of Warcraft pretty much requires you to buy the game in order to play on the official servers. At the very least it requires you to pay a monthly fee which is pretty much immune to piracy. WoW has six million players worldwide, more than any other MMORPG out there, and dwarfing all others short of the Korean developed Lineage and Lineage II games. Yet the monthly price for the game has remained unchanged. Hell, for that matter, the cost of purchasing the game to begin with sits rock steady at $49.99 almost a year and a half after it was launched whereas most MMORPGs dropped in price considerably after their first year.

Now this has indeed resulted in several other MMORPGs trying different revenue models to compete—including in some cases dropping their monthly subscription fee altogether—but the fact that other games are giving themselves away for free hasn’t had any impact on the price of WoW or its monthly subscription cost. They’re making money hand over first and there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that, but it puts the lie to your argument that more people paying for something will result in lower costs for everyone involved. If anything it would take a significant drop in subscribers to move Blizzard to drop the prices on WoW and its monthly subscription.

People are willing to pay the costs associated with WoW because it’s a good product despite the fact that there are free alternatives they could choose to make use of. There’s even a means of pirating WoW and playing on illegal servers that have sprung up here and there completely for free, but most folks opt to pay the costs to play the game legitimately. 

Contrary to your claim, I’ve found that most people are willing to pay for things they consider a good value regardless of whether it’s copyable or not. In spite of the RIAA’s claims that music downloaders are killing the music industry there’s actually some evidence that suggest those folks may be the biggest purchasers of music:

    While CRIA regularly trumpets commissioned studies as evidence for the problems posed by P2P, this week it released a major study without any fanfare whatsoever.  Conducted by Pollara last month, the study serves as part of CRIA’s submission to the CRTC’s Commercial Radio Review.  What makes this particular study interesting (aside from the fact that it finally includes full details on responses and the actual questions posed), is that much of the data challenges many familiar CRIA claims.

    In summary, CRIA’s own research now concludes that P2P downloading constitutes less than one-third of the music on downloaders’ computers, that P2P users frequently try music on P2P services before they buy, that the largest P2P downloader demographic is also the largest music buying demographic, and that reduced purchasing has little to do with the availability of music on P2P services.  I’ve argued many of these same things, but now you don’t have to take my word for it; you can take it from the record labels themselves.

I note you still haven’t addressed the apparent conflict between your “Conservative belief” that you have a right to do what you want with the content you purchase and the inherent limitations that the DRM you are so eager to embrace will place on that right. Here’s a refresher in case you forgot what you said:

As a conservative, I have this wacky idea that if I pay for something, I own it.  That means I can do what I want with it.  If I buy a book, I can tear out any pages I don’t like, or maybe write some things in it which the author never thought of.  Why?  Because it’s mine.  It belongs to me.  I don’t need the author’s permission.  If this offends the author, too bad.  Once he sells his book, it doesn’t belong to him anymore.

DRM takes away your right to do what you want with your content and allows the copyright holders to tell you what you can do with that media. Sure, you may have paid for it, but you don’t own it and you can’t do whatever you want with it.

Seriously, how do you square this rather obvious contradiction in your line of thinking?

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tmp Finland Posted on 03/21/2006 at 11:08 AM

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One thing to remember about free markets is that there is no such thing.  The fundamental definition of property is either “You have it, and can defend it, it’s yours” or “You can seize it, and then defend it, it’s yours”.  The fundamental transaction is “You can take it, and the other can’t do anything about it”.  Societies cannot really depelop like this so we got “Adhere to these rules, and we help you defend it”.  There must be some regulation, the degree is a matter of taste and practicality.

Copyright law gives legal protection to creative works in exchange to the work falling into public domain after a limited time period, and some fair use rights.

I have no problem with DRM - I don’t feel I have the right to demand my music on 8-tracks, so why should I have the right to demand it in non DRM format, if the copyright holder doesn’t want to sell it like that.  I have the option of not buying, of course, and have done so with “copy control” CDs.

I _DO_ have a problem with legistlation that restricts my ability to circumvent that DRM to exercise my fair use rights.  You don’t respect my fair use rights, you better not expect me to respect your copyright.

I don’t think that eliminating copyright infringment would bring media prices down.  If you want that latest American Idol winner album, I don’t think that an album from competing artist “John Smith” would do.  Also, people who use fixed amount of money on their media would bring in less money - more products(more cost), same money.  And people whose media consumption is limited by time rather than money would also bring in less money - same amount of products, less money.

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