Blind Patriotism

Posted by Webs on Friday, June 30, 2006 at 06:04 PM. Read 4156 times. Tags: ,
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So after September 11th there was an amazing outpour of charity and unity amongst Americans.  We allowed President Bush to pass the Patriot Act, bomb the hell out of Afghanistan, and start a war with Iraq.  But why?  Why did we allow the government to throw away our freedoms?  Why did we suddenly give a shit about Iraq, a country that hardly anyone in the world cared about prior to 9/11?  Many say it was blind Patriotism.  Well this is a very scary thought to me, to know that our government could use fear as a tactic to get us to rally around any decision they seem to think is good for the country.  I remember after 9/11 the terror alert system was created so we could know how safe things would be that day.  I remember the fear I felt, as many Americans did, when it was orange.  And I remember eventually being pissed off about it when I saw nothing come of the alerts.  I also remember being told, “We received a threat today.  We do not know from where this threat comes or who, we do not know when it will happen, but we know there is a threat.” Which is when I started to get really pissed at my government.  Then Michael Moore came along with his infamous Fahrenheit 9/11.  This movie finally seemed to open people’s eyes as to what blind patriotism is, and how dangerous it is. 

Well blind patriotism is still alive and well today.  It is one of the few explanations I make for those that still support the Iraq war.  And leads me to my real reason for this response: Demonstrators Support Charged Marines.  I usually try to stay away from making opinions about a case until it goes through the legal system, but this article got to me a bit.  Many of the sound bites used were people supporting the 8 troops in this case.  Why, because they support our troops and what they do in Iraq. 
My favorite quote,

“My son is over in Iraq right now, but I would hate to think that he would hesitate to shoot.  No matter what these guys did to survive this war I just hope the can survive our justice system.”


I wish I could hear this woman tell that same thing to the Iraqi parents of the thousands of children that have been killed in bombing raids and by accidental fire, or being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

If you read an article on the same issue from another publisher, you can find people that really think they are just innocent, but many just support our troops, and that is their reasoning.  It kind of threw me off.  Even the defense attorney seemed to state that he was defending the actions of his client, because he was young, instead of going off to college he joined the Marines, he watched as 19 personnel in his unit died, and two died within his hands.  Well I gotta say I certainly feel for this young man and his family, and the family of the 19 other troops that passed away in Iraq.  But it still brings up the issue, are war conditions a cause of murder, or a justifiable cause for murder?  I answer this question always with a resounding NO! But there are others that seem to think differently.  This issue was even discussed on DOF’s blog: What do Soldiers Have to do to Stay Sane? Well there may not be much for them to do in Iraq, but showing a lack of multi-cultural understanding through a stupid video, should not be one of them.  And dragging someone into the street, tying their hands, shooting them, and then placing an AFK on the body should also not be one of them.

If the 8 men are innocent of the charges then fine.  But don’t support someone or say, “I believe they are innocent, because of the violence and everything else they have seen over there.” That, to me just shows stupidity. Nothing can justify ethnocentricity but stupidity, and nothing justifies murder except self-defense.

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Sadie Jane United States Posted on 05/28/2007 at 03:37 AM

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Hilarious Hassar! Will it still be funny after the ‘WW3’ justified by a home-grown ‘Muslim-Terror’ attack that you could have permanetly delayed just-by courageously telling the truth?

Anyway the CIA rarely-kills average civillians! They normally just use some poor blackmailed go-for to do-it & then kill-them afterwards so it can-never be traced-back!

Who needs television when you have this sort of entertainment? Robby, you’ve just given my boyfriend and me the priceless gift of unrestrained laughter. We wouldn’t dream of removing you from this “mailing list” for a second!

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elwedriddsche United States Posted on 05/28/2007 at 04:03 AM

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What do conspiracy theorists and loony proselytizers in common? They can’t figure out what the “Notify me of follow-up comments?” checkbox is used for.

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timmeh United States Posted on 05/28/2007 at 06:55 AM

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As a former US Marine I’m going to have to hold judgment of my brothers until an end verdict is reached. I would like to say that the handling of the Iraq quagmire was just horrific. The best way to have handled the situation is set up troops on the boarder to give the image of an invasion. Then you do bombing runs on military and government installations. Most dictators when pressed in this fashion will break. Now I know a fair number of people will disagree with this track. At the time however we didn’t know if Saddam had chemical or biological weapons. The one thing we did know was he would not let inspectors into his country, this was in direct violation of UN resolutions. Now, I’m not the biggest fan of the UN, but these are the rules of the world as it stands.

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LuckyJohn19 Australia Posted on 05/28/2007 at 08:19 AM

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Timmeh, I think you’ll fine the UN never gave permission to the US to invade Iraq.

From an August 2002 report: In addition to possible ongoing guerrilla action by Saddam Hussein�s supporters, U.S. occupation forces would likely be faced with competing armed factions among the Sunni Arab population, not to mention Kurd and Shiite rebel groups seeking to break away from any ruler in Baghdad. This could lead the United States into a bloody counterinsurgency war. Without the support of other countries or the United Nations, a U.S. invasion could leave American forces effectively alone enforcing a peace amidst the chaos of a post-Saddam Iraq.

Almost five years later, sadly, this seems most prophetic.

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Les United States Posted on 05/28/2007 at 08:23 AM

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Robby was amusing for a little while, but his inability to figure out how to remove himself from comment notifications verifies that he’s the only moron around here.

As though his rantings weren’t indicative enough…

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timmeh United States Posted on 05/28/2007 at 08:39 AM

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I never said they did. I said he was in violation of UN resolutions.

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LuckyJohn19 Australia Posted on 05/28/2007 at 09:39 AM

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True. You did.

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Webs United States Posted on 05/28/2007 at 10:16 AM

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Even if Sadaam did break “the rules” by not allowing in inspectors, Scott Ritter knew Sadaam had nothing and spoke out like crazy to tell everyone, but no one listened. 

But besides that we were really sold on the idea this war was part of the war on terror.  Truthfully I don’t feel any safer…

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timmeh United States Posted on 05/28/2007 at 10:39 AM

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I don’t feel safer either. I also don’t look at as a part of the war an terror. It’s a separate matter all together from our search for terrorist. He was a dictator that needed put is his place.

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decrepitoldfool United States Posted on 05/28/2007 at 10:51 AM

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I agree Saddam needed put in his place, Timmeh, but not everything that needs doing is practical to do.  There are a lot of dictators like him.  Too many for us to go fix all the countries they run.

timmeh United States Posted on 05/28/2007 at 10:57 AM

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I revert to my earlier post about how I think this should have been handled.

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timmeh United States Posted on 05/28/2007 at 11:00 AM

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To clearify my option would be to get inspectors in to Iraq, not invade.

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LuckyJohn19 Australia Posted on 05/28/2007 at 08:25 PM

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I just heard Shrub saying: One day this war will end as all wars do.
I’m sure I recall, it’d have to be a few years ago now, his landing an aeroplane on an aircraft thingy saying: Mission accomplished.

Robert Mugabe is a bit of an arse-hole. In the past he’s taken farms from whites and given them to blacks. His latest is telling international companies who have offices there that Zimbabwe wants 51% of their company or is that branch office?
I wonder how that’s gonna pan out with the likes of a hit list which might include BP, Unilever, British American Tobacco and the Standard Chartered and Barclays banks.
Isn’t it a pity there’s no oil there?
Shrub woulda been there, flash as a rat with a gold tooth, saving the population from Mugabe.

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Jessie United States Posted on 06/25/2008 at 11:59 PM

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I was hoping this was going to help me understand “Blind Patriotism” but i still cant completely grasp the definition of it. I found a link to this on google. Im learning about political views and trying to figure out what my political view may be, so i must know about blind patriotism. Everywhere i go in search of the answer just leads me to another question. Im starting to think that our government type was not thought through at all when we decided to be like this. Because there are no straight answers to any part of it. Im also thinking there will never be an ‘understanding’ for me. =/ I need something moor than this. Something deeper. Any suggestions for my clueless young mind? If so, you can send me an e-mail to “bassoonist2014@yahoo.com”
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Patness Canada Posted on 06/26/2008 at 12:07 AM

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Im also thinking there will never be an ‘understanding’ for me. =/
I need something moor than this. Something deeper.

Not in time for a test, most likely. However, if you want to know the answer and you like thinking about stuff, eventually you’ll invent a pretty good one and that becomes your position. This tends to happen the most when you’re really relaxed, like when you use the bathroom in the morning.

For me, “blind patriotism” means believing in being a patriot without thinking about what “being a patriot” means. The fact that you want an understanding of something deeper suggests you’re on a good path to avoiding “blind patriotism”.

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decrepitoldfool United States Posted on 06/26/2008 at 07:58 AM

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Blind patriotism is to real patriotism what public relations is to proper management.  It’s the difference between sputtering “We have the best company in the world!” and hiring people who will make sure the company pension is well-protected, the products deliver on their advertised promises, that employees have input in decisions, etc.  It’s the difference between yammering about flag pins and making sure the ideals the flag represents are not trampled by people who yammer about flag pins.

Oh hell, just watch an hour of FOX news and then watch The News Hour with Jim Lehrer. I can’t think of two better examples than that.

Last_Hussar Great Britain (UK) Posted on 06/26/2008 at 12:53 PM

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Blind Patriotism is supporting any invasion, without engaging critical thinking.

Note Critical thinking doent mean you are against it, but rather you have looked at the issues and have come to an informed decision. Blind Patriotism is the opposite supporting any action taken by your country no matter what.

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decrepitoldfool United States Posted on 06/26/2008 at 02:57 PM

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Exemplified in the aphorism; ”My Country!  Right or wrong!

(Link is to Mark Twain’s analysis of the phrase)

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