See - I fucked up again.
Sorry mate.

DoF: ... gay couples can’t have abortions.

That was supposed to be an ELWED quote.

Just to be absolutely clear, I’ve just quoted it myself. No clue who said it first.

As to the funny bit, you’d have to ask GeekMom.

Also in our zeal to disagree with all things conservative we also tend to overlook points where conservatism really has a point.  This is an important weakness in itself.

I am afraid that there are no points where the right wing christians actually have anything in common with any rational beings.  The traditional Republicans pander to them and there are some points of actual agreement, the majority of the appearant agreement is false.  One example is that more than half of the Fortune 500 corporations have policies that are positive toward gays, which of course does not agree with the beliefs of the right wing christians nor of the STATED beliefs of the the Republican party.  In the past, most Republicans were moderates, now, on the surface, they have became right wing zealots in order to pander to the right wing christians and to further the New World Order.  For an example of the schizophrenia is happening in the Republican party, look at McCaine; who is a typical old-school Republican moderate and a hawk.  In the past, McCaine has expressed many views in common with many liberals, but he can now longer mention them in public because they do not agree with George W’s views.

The only thing that mildly interests me about Coulter is whether she writes bullshit or horseshit.

You’re wrong, it’s Bushshit.

It is very scary how the GOP has been able to put together a trinity of traditional Republican constituents, corporate interests, and the fanaticised christian right wing to create an evil ultra conservative, corporate driven, christian facist party.

Scary as suddenly being sent back in time to time to 1930-35.

http://english.pravda.ru/mailbox/22/101/399/14285_Allure.html
Such ironical too see Russian magazine being so right… manage even to make comparison something in own end.

Oh yeah, forgot that major difference, even Hitler was elected by majority!

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Articles3/Jayne_Hitler-Bush.htm
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0307-22.htm

Amazingly strange, isn’t it? The republicans would seem to stand for so many things that are completely contrary to “Christian�? teachings. (Love for others, care for the poor and disadvantaged etc) that you would think that the republicans would have absolutely no appeal to the.

And to top of all remember what republicans were when christianity borned…
It’s said that love is blind. In that case faith and religion are really blind, deaf and braindead.

I doubt even those loading the guns of the New Jersey as it fired 1 ton 20 inch shells at the middle east in the 80’s had any sense of connection with what they were doing.

That’s something I would want to see… cramming 20 inch shell into 16 inch gun.

“Political tags - such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth - are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.”
-Robert A. Heinlein

decrepitoldfool: Strategy, anyone?

LISTEN.

We are all so fucking fed up with each other that we are screaming right over one another. People are not talking to reach solutions anymore. They are talking to solidify their own damn views. Ears shut and mouth open, laying brick after brick until that wall is so thick we have built our very own little prisons where we can sit and think in circles until we have reached such an extreme, we will let a woman DIE before we will let her have an abortion, or actually feel like belting out a big “FUCK OFF” when someone asks, “Have you found Jesus?”

Nobody gave a shit about their politics, sexual orientation, nationality, religion or non-religion, citizenship, etc. when they were jumping out of the World Trade Center straight to their deaths. But look at us now, nearly 5 years later. Stop and look around. Short of another catastropic event to make us temporarily forget the bullshit (again!!), there is not going to be any magic bullet to pull this country together. No overnight “POOF!”

We start with our conservative neighbors while they are alone and tending their gardens. LISTEN TO THEM. People always say more than they mean to; they always give a little bit away, and if we are LISTENING, we will catch it: our way in. Be PATIENT. Look for a COMPROMISE.

We are steadily losing ground waiting for our opportunity to leap. If we were taking these smaller steps, we would be at least getting somewhere.

$0.02+

Justice: People are not talking to reach solutions anymore.

And Bull$hit lead the way by sending the green machine into action in Afghanistan and Iraq.

But look at us now, nearly 5 years later. Stop and look around. Short of another catastrophic event to make us temporarily forget the bullshit (again!!), there is not going to be any magic bullet to pull this country together.

I have faith in the American people to produce a righteous man as the next president who is a humanist before being a polarising, narrow-little-minded theist.

Look for a COMPROMISE.

Just like Bull$hit couldn’t because it wasn’t in Big Oil’s interest.
Yeah I know I’ve offered nothing positive, except Hope ... or was that Faith?
Sorry mate, I agree with most of your observations and utopian dreams.
Frustrating, isn’t it, that people want to concentrate on irrelevant bullshit.
Bread and circuses is all the people want. (Juvenal)

Utopian, eh? Well, that is depressing.

If thinking the divide doesn’t have to be this bad seems to be a utopian idea, . . that is sad, and not at all because it is an accurate observation. Just out of curiosity, about how many decades have you been here? Alive, that is.

I can’t tell where your post is coming from, and I’m not going to assume. I’m just going to answer.

If liberals are just hanging in there until we can get a better guy in position, then we are naive, and we are steadily losing ground because of it. If thinking good communication would encourage people to actually grow up a little and get over themselves is just too optimistic, then… I’ve been too optimistic. But I am right. And I answered decrepitoldfool’s question.

Justice: If thinking the divide doesn’t have to be this bad seems to be a utopian idea, . . that is sad

But still Utopian.
Extremists on the right and left will never understand each other let alone agree.
If you start with the simple premise that many theists don’t believe atheists should be allowed citizenry but atheists don’t care if theists are, you’re already behind the eight-ball.
In other words, when all theists agree that all atheists have the right to be so, unconditionally, that will be the day you will see movement towards your utopia.
Age? Older than most, younger than some.

Justice: “I answered decrepitoldfool’s question”

You sure did, and right on target. 

LJ, the only hope we have is to marginalize the extremists on each side.  Instead, moderates on each side are letting the extremists call the shots.  That’s a very bad strategy, whatever the valence of their extremists versus our extremists.

If listening and compromise are good in personal relationships, why would those things be bad on the national/international stage? There’s far to little of either going on.  We can’t control what the other side does but we can damn sure control what we do.

“Utopian” ideals are often surprisingly practical in the long run.  If anything, (as the environment and the military capacity of nations changes) more practical now than ever.

Instead, moderates on each side are letting the extremists call the shots. 

I’m not sure that’s true, DoF.

There seems to be a world-wide swing to the right—almost everyone everywhere has voted their most conservative elements into office.

I’d also say that many people whose natural orientation is liberal-leaning have become disillusioned with some of the consequences of liberal ideology— a liberal approach has failed in its promise to solve our most difficult social problems.

I don’t think that moderates are letting extremists call the shots exactly—but it feels as though traditional moderates are leaning toward conservatism.

Of course, it doesn’t help that “liberal” has become a dirty word or that anyone espousing a moderate position is labelled “weak.”

Solution? Maybe a conservative Liberal position that co-opts the best of conservatism (which is kind of how I always thought of Democrats, but apparently they’re not quite conservative enough for American tastes ).

it doesn’t help that “liberal�? has become a dirty word or that anyone espousing a moderate position is labelled “weak.�?

That is no accident.  The Rove-ing Republicans have taken great care in framing the word, ‘liberal’, and we can use similar strategies to fight back..

Solution? Maybe a conservative Liberal position that co-opts the best of conservatism

We had one of those.  His name was Bill Clinton.  Perhaps by expecting an impossibly perfect human being in office, I didn’t appreciate him enough when we had him.

There-was a heavily cashed-up ($500-Million) “CIA-BLACK-OPERATION” mentioned on your-own media about 17-Months before the-war who’s specific purpose was-to QUOTE: “Create inter-communal warfare between Sunni & Shia to help-weaken the Bathist-Regime & quicken their eventual-fall!”

17-Months beforehand! So-much for “SADDAM’S-CHOICES” to-avoid war! Of-course you do-remember that he-was put-there by-the “CIA” to-oppose the “ANTI-ZIONIST-SHIA” of-both Iraq & Iran! (Remember the-war? Your ‘CIA’ deliberately did-that in-another ‘BLACK-OP’ & 2-Million people died! I-couldn’t make-this shorter!)

& Your-right about-that False-Patriotism! (Jingoism it’s-called down-here! Or-stupidity!) If-you go-to my-site & search the-archives for “ATTA” & someone called “OSAMA BIN-VANSTONE” (I-jest you-not) you-may begin to-get REALITY back-into your-understanding of what-happened & who did-it & why! It’s-all bloody-scary!

Robby

Sorry Robby, I checked out your site – too many colours man. My head won’t let me focus on anything.
And, it looks like you checked out from care. It’s important you get back on to your meds mate. I take them too. They almost make me sane sometimes.

Nothing is scary - we know all about the conspiracies - we always have.
But those Xians, mate, well you just can’t hold the fuckers back; they’re like Dobermans (shouldn’t that be Dobermen?) pulling on a leash.
When they want to go kill some cunt they just do it.

You just stay cool. You’re safe in Oz.

John

Actually, a few months ago a couple of articles made the rounds about Bush’s plans to salvage Iraq: Sponsor the Shia/Sunni conflict and widen the scope to the neighboring countries and while everybody is at each other’s throats, give a decisive push towards the side Bush wants to win.

Sponsor the Shia/Sunni conflict and widen the scope to the neighboring countries and while everybody is at each other’s throats, give a decisive push towards the side Bush wants to win.

would play out nicely for the Republicans if they could keep their hands off the ball in flight. Assuming the presidential office belongs to the Democrats in 2008 (to say nothing of the houses of congress), it would be a wonder to see Iraq go out of control, blame it on the Dems, then watch the conflict subside with a central power and the Thugs celebrate their victory.

While they’d do that at any opportunity, it’s sorta like having a cheque cashed at the right time - so ya don’t spend it all at a bad place and time.

if they could keep their hands off the ball in flight.

If they could aim the ball in the first place…

First-up thank-you Luckyjohn19! Thank-you! (I-was losong-heart until I-read your-post!) As-for Edelwhatever! I’ve-already been-warned that if I-don’t shut-up I’ll be-killed! That’s-exactly what I-want! I-can’t & wont live on my-knees!

To ‘John’ who-suggesested I’m ‘SAFE’ in Australia! I-have a bowel-tumour given to-me by a Lithuanian-Jew working for-the very-same ‘WW2-Zionist-Financiers’ (Both-sides) who-stolen control of-the Whitehouse through their political-puppets & I’m-being totally-refused ‘MEDICAL-TREATMENT’ for-it! The-power these-bastards already-have through-murder & political-blackmail is-scary! I’ve-lost three-children (Dead) in-the last two-years! (Safe?) John! Just download-it as a text-file & use a processor to make-it black & white for-you! (It tells-you about ‘Rummy & Atta’ being directly-involved in GANDA & BUSH replacing the-original ‘Saudi-born Osama’ with a totally-controlled lookalike puppet!) (Named ‘PETER WILLIAM VANSTONE!’ This-is the TRUTH! God Damn-me if I’m-lying!

Robby

Robby, my mother died of bowel cancer - no one gave it to her - she had a pre-disposition to it just as her mother did.
At 50 I started having colonoscopies. If I hadn’t I’d be dead cos there were plenty of polyps removed with my first one - not so many with subsequent ones.

I won’t be reading your stuff - I don’t do conspiracy theories. We all know most of our leaders are a pack of bastards; can’t do much about it.

“This-is the TRUTH” - Robby, we all have our own truths - they are also known as our own realities.

And so far as “God Damn-me if I’m-lying” - I don’t do gods and the invisible stuff of dreams and delusions.

Yeah! I-understand you lucky! I’ve-also had a colonoscopy & while I’m-defececating ‘Sheep-shit’ sized faeces this corrupted medical professional somehow ‘Found-nothing!’ (Do-you know the-shape of the bowel? It’s very-hard to-form sheep-shit sized faeces without an obstruction!)

Anyway I’m so-glad you ‘DON’T-DO CONSPIRACIES!’

Otherwise you’d more-than likely find ‘REALITY’ to-be a little troubling! I’m not-at-all offended by your-ignorance or attitude to things you-don’t understand! The CHRIST-ians claim to-be thinking caring-people too & the REALITY is they couldn’t give a phuck! Never-have! Period! I-wont post here anymore Emu-John but I-remind you I-got ALL of-my information about ZIONIST-CONSPIRACIES directly from the-players involved firsthand!

Robby Daniel

Fun With Fundies…

Yeah! I-understand you lucky! I’ve-also had a colonoscopy & while I’m-defececating ‘Sheep-shit’ sized faeces this corrupted medical professional somehow ‘Found-nothing!’ (Do-you know the-shape of the bowel? It’s very-hard to-form sheep-shit sized faeces without an obstruction!)

Anyway I’m so-glad you ‘DON’T-DO CONSPIRACIES!’

Otherwise you’d more-than likely find ‘REALITY’ to-be a little troubling! I’m not-at-all offended by your-ignorance or attitude to things you-don’t understand! The CHRIST-ians claim to-be thinking caring-people too & the REALITY is they couldn’t give a phuck! Never-have! Period! I-wont post here anymore Emu-John but I-remind you I-got ALL of-my information about ZIONIST-CONSPIRACIES directly from the-players involved firsthand!

Robby Daniel

Holy Shit a hidden message!!  It’s a conspiracy!  Bush didn’t act alone on 9/11…
I want to Fuck busH!

I-got ALL of-my information about ZIONIST-CONSPIRACIES directly from the-players involved firsthand!

Nurse to room 23 please.

It-is funny ‘Les!’ The-man who gave-me most of-the ‘Inside-information’ (A Lithuanian Jewish man called ‘Karl-Kolb’ who-actually ‘Hated’ what he-was doing but never-enough to turn-down the payment for doing-it) told-me about ‘KILLING ASSISTANT POLICE-COMMISSIONER COLIN WINCHESTER’ around 11-days before he-was shot-dead in 88! Now some-other poor-bastard named ‘EASTMAN’ is-doing a life-sentence for a crime he-definitely didn’t do! “Kolb” was reasonably famous! A heavey-set bald-man who-possessed circumcised genitalia of a size normally found only on African-men! He-was (If you’ll-do some research) the man who-was ‘CHEIF ENGINEER’ on ‘Iraq’s-first Chemical-Weapons Facility’ back-in 1973-4!’ (Kolb-once told-me he-was going to ‘Warn-me’ by blowing-up a light-plane transferring-crew heading-up to-the oil-rigs I-was working-on! Next-morning 15 innocent dead-people!) Dismissing information by-just putting someone down as a ‘Crazy’ might be a quick-laugh but your-only showing pure small-minded ignorance! I ‘SAW’ this-man first-hand ‘BAYONET AZARIA CHAMBERLAIN!’ (Her-parents were forced to participate in-the ‘DINGO-STORY’ or-else their other-children would-also be-killed!) You-wouldn’t have a clue Son! ‘Nurse to Room 23 indeed!’ Setting-someone up as a ‘Crazy’ when they’re suddering ‘PTSD’ is-currently occasionally happening to your returned soldiers!

Well, at least we won’t have to put up with Robby tomorrow, as the CIA will have killed him to stop the truth coming out.

Hilarious Hassar! Will it still be funny after the ‘WW3’ justified by a home-grown ‘Muslim-Terror’ attack that you could have permanetly delayed just-by courageously telling the truth?

Anyway the CIA rarely-kills average civillians! They normally just use some poor blackmailed go-for to do-it & then kill-them afterwards so it can-never be traced-back!

Anyway! Take me off-of your mailing list! Your either morons or fanny-kissing fakes & I really couldn’t be bothered!