Big Brother puts the smack-down on citizens

Posted by deadscot on Monday, October 11, 2004 at 03:37 PM. Read 1001 times. Tags: ,
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Upon recommendation from the Sept. 11th commission, the US Congress has seen fit to establish something of a National ID Card system.  While the card won’t be issued at a federal level, it will require all the information including the ID Number to be standardized across the board.

Congress Close to Establishing Rules for Driver’s Licenses
By MATTHEW L. WALD, New York Times

WASHINGTON, Oct. 10 - Following a recommendation of the Sept. 11 commission, the House and Senate are moving toward setting rules for the states that would standardize the documentation required to obtain a driver’s license, and the data the license would have to contain.

Critics say the plan would create a national identification card. But advocates say it would make it harder for terrorists to operate, as well as reduce the highway death toll by helping states identify applicants whose licenses had been revoked in other states.

The Senate version of the intelligence bill includes an amendment, passed by unanimous consent on Oct. 1, that would let the secretary of homeland security decide what documents a state would have to require before issuing a driver’s license, and would also specify the data that the license would have to include for it to meet federal standards. The secretary could require the license to include fingerprints or eye prints. The provision would allow the Homeland Security Department to require use of the license, or an equivalent card issued by motor vehicle bureaus to non-drivers for identification purposes, for access to planes, trains and other modes of transportation.

The bill does not give the department the authority to force the states to meet the federal standards, but it would create enormous pressure on them to do so. After a transition period, the department could decide to accept only licenses issued under the rules as identification at airports.

The House’s version of the intelligence bill, passed Friday, would require the states to keep all driver’s license information in a linked database, for quick access. It also calls for “an integrated network of screening points that includes the nation’s border security system, transportation system and critical infrastructure facilities that the secretary determines need to be protected against terrorist attack.”

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Ah, the joys of living in a fear based society.  As you can see, advocates are already touting fine examples of the law’s implementation outside the scope of the intended usage.

For some reason the first thing that came into my mind when I read this was my unpaid parking ticket in New Jersey.

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Les United States Posted on 10/12/2004 at 02:51 PM

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Well, let me just say, having a Gravatar-ID and a SEB-ID is a bad idea.  There needs to be just one ID used by all.

There needs to be a centralised, standardised national (or, better, GLOBAL) blogging ID for all those wishing to post, author, or conduct any other transactions in blogworld.

First off, you don’t have a Gravatar ID. Gravatar doesn’t generate or assign IDs itself, it merely cross-references your email address to what you have on file with Gravatar and provides an icon if it matches.

Secondly, you don’t have to have an SEB-ID. If the fact that it’s not a global blog ID bothers you then I can always delete the account if you prefer without losing any ability to post comments.

Thirdly, do you really want SEB to have access to the same user authentication system used by your bank or credit union? While I pride myself on my honesty I’m sure there are plenty of less scrupulous bloggers out there who would find a way to take advantage of such a situation.

Fourthly, you fail to say why having separate IDs is a bad thing. What if I don’t trust the national global authentication system as being able to accurately identify that you are whom you claim to be?

See?  National ID’s ARE useful—and good.

Actually, no, I don’t see. Nothing in your comment demonstrates why a national ID, for blogging or otherwise, would be either useful or good outside of the convenience factor. Which could end up being highly inconvenient if your ID was stolen.

P.S.  Think of the demographic studies and graphs and charts we could create if we all used NID’s when conducting purchases, renting videos, using the subway, paying road tolls, entering a mall, etc.  And, imagine if that anonymous-rendered database were open to all citizens!

You’ve now convinced me that this would be the absolute worst thing imaginable. Good job.

ingolfson Germany Posted on 10/12/2004 at 03:08 PM

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Dang. Les beat me to it I-/

rob, I sometimes feel that you have a bit of troll blood. But you write reasonably well, so I will answer it.

P.S.  Think of the demographic studies and graphs and charts we could create if we all used NID’s when conducting purchases, renting videos, using the subway, paying road tolls, entering a mall, etc.  And, imagine if that anonymous-rendered database were open to all citizens!

Gaaah!

I mean I *supported* your opinion partly. But when I think of an ID system, I think it should contain:

name, age, date of birth, pyhsical identification (biometrics, whatever is needed to make it hard to fake) and my permanent adress. Maybe previous felonies should be contained too , but I agree that this last one is a tricky issue.

It should not contain:

shopping patterns, my sexual orientation, where I spend my time or my religion (no need for the traffic cop to know I’m a hell-bound atheist!).

Few if any of these informations are security-relevant, or necessary to protect against identity theft. If companies want to get a profile of their shoppers, they need to convince ME to give them the info.

ingolfson Germany Posted on 10/12/2004 at 03:14 PM

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[ STOIBER ???? Angela Ate Him.]
Watch the rising star (read: power) of Angela Merkel.  I think she’ll be your next chancellor via an inner-party coup of sorts, which is already partly manifest.

Sheesh. Her party is just now occupied with tearing into each other, and their poll numbers are slipping, even though no one likes the government parties much.

No, she won’t become chancellor. No charm, just a mean little attack dog. The day she becomes my ‘chancelorette’, I will start being *active* in politics and join the Green party, I swear!

No joke. I will. That would at least be an excuse to finally do it

elwedriddsche United States Posted on 10/12/2004 at 05:04 PM

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Les, how do you do an inline picture?

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Les United States Posted on 10/12/2004 at 05:54 PM

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In an entry? I use the File Upload link in the editor on the Publish page. Now that I think about it I don’t think I set up the “member” group to have access to that. I’ll fix that ASAP.

elwedriddsche United States Posted on 10/12/2004 at 06:31 PM

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And in a comment? More specifically, if the img tag is enabled, would the image display in the preview?

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.rob adams United States Posted on 10/13/2004 at 11:10 AM

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[ .rob adams is all about personal liberty ]
I’m a #1 Fan of government regulations that protect our Bill-o-Rights.

I believe that your individual commercial transactions, movements, and interests (among many other things) is no business of the government, and especially of no business entity.  Trust me on that.

[ we’re already being watched, and recorded ]
But, recognise, BELIEVE, that these things are already being registered in a database, some of them aggregated with other, completely unrelated commercial and state databases—by both states, USG, and private/commericial entities.  It’s happening already—and in a completely unregulated, anything-goes manner.  With the exception of your health records, there exists little to no legilastive controls, anc certainly no group/power that enforces the few laws that do exist, beyond lawyers.  Someone, the government, needs to protect your interests and your privacy.

However, i do believe that these items can be open to anonymous-ized scrutiny when an individual’s behavior matches a *legislated* matrix.  For example, take the TSA WatchList.  The type of individuals flagged for “watching” or, worse, exclusion, would be determined by legislated patterns.  Making this system available to public oversight would eliminate:

[] “I wonder why I’m on the WatchList”
[] “I don’t know who to appeal to regarding my designation”

[ a public resource, and it’s free! ]
In the same way the GreatDatabase of All Transactions would be available too all, for free, to examine and study as they wish, but only in an anonymous fashion; You could understand a transactor’s demographics, but nothing identifiable (e.g., SSN/NID/GID/CC#/DOB/Height/*Ethnicity*).  Only law-enforcement, with a judicially issued warrant, could select Mustaffa Ahmed’s transactions, no doubt limited to a certain time period and type of transaction (purchase, movement, communication, etc).

[ The Ministry of Privacy ]
Akin to Canada (i’m never one not to steal a good idea), we’ll establish a new, executive-branch controlled agency:  The Ministry of Transactions, or something like that.

[ let the government protect your privacy ]
Make no mistake:  these databases are already being maintained.  It’s just high time we regulate them (read: nationalise them) and subject them to public oversight and government regulation.

Lordklegg Canada Posted on 10/13/2004 at 12:24 PM

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.rob adams pokes fun at “The Ministry of Privacy”, but is a watchdog who answers to Congress or the Senate when government agencies overstep their bounds and invade citicens privacy such a bad thing?  Oh I forgot, Patriot Act moot point.

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Pop Tarts United States Posted on 10/13/2004 at 02:39 PM

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I guess I should post a few points on this issue of privacy since I did once wrote a short 45 page paper on it. Nothing much to say here, since I am not exactly a string privacy advocate although I do understand all the positions for it.

1) Reasonable expectation of privacy
The idea of privacy is that it is a relative concept that changes with society. The problem then is when one introduce a measure that may be considered as an infringement of privacy, that may operate as a means to lower society’s expectation of privacy. And once lowered, that lowered expectation would be used in cases of privacy to justify invasion. For example, a person may feel their privacy is invaded by a tad bit when they are searched more extensively at the airports. However overtime if the extensive search carries on, when one is searched, the common refrain would be “what do you expect?”

Therefore a National ID system would reduce one’s privacy. How much and how significant is it, would be debatable. But remember that the question to ask is not so much

2) National ID
This can be considered as an invasion of privacy by the government. However, it should be noted that in countries that do have the ID system, people do not complain about it. In fact they find it to be extremely useful. Whether such an ID system should be used for criminal investigations is another matter.

However, one should not be oblivious to the fact that there is a great deal of tracking. For example FICO credit, reward programs for shopping (products purchase + location), toll cards (movement tracking)

3) Linkage
Having separate pieces of information lying around is one thing. Providing a system to link these information together can result in greater lost of privacy. So the mere fact that all information is already publicly available does not mean that a system that links these information together would not further harm’s one privacy interest.

4) Sojourn to Canada
The Canadian Privacy Commissioner use to be a real go-getter challenging the government on all fronts. For example questioning the government for installation of a surveillance camera. But alas after George Radwanski’s one too many expensive lunches and trips he has been removed and many of the contentious issues he had against the government had been dropped by his successor.

Canada’s Privacy Act and Access to Information Act (have to read them together) are quite impressive. But enforcement is another matter. The US while weaker on its codes have a more robust enforcement regime. Furthermore, recent Canadian privacy legislation (PIPEDA has) received great criticism and studies have shown that despite having weaker laws the US has sent out millions in fines. And as a side note, sometimes to get information about Canada, it is easier (and cheaper) to file a Freedom of Information request to the US government to obtain their information on Canada.

5) Finally
Is it possible to ever have a discussion on privacy without someone repeating 1984, Big Brother. If instead of a little plastic National ID card one has an RFID chip inserted into human body, would literal bible readers scream and impale themselves least they get marked with the sign of the devil. That almost makes me wish that one adopts the RFID chip implant.

.rob adams United States Posted on 10/13/2004 at 04:49 PM

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Just in time…
The FDA has finally approved the use of implanted RFID’s for medical history:
http://nytimes.com/aponline/technology/AP-FDA-Implantable-Chip.html?hp&ex=1097726400&en=b2b8e86a6474cb83&ei=5094&partner=homepage

You cannot stop innovation, but we can control it’s use. In Islam there is an increasingly popular concept:  Bid’ah (beed-ah) “evil innovation”

This tenet of Islam is especially popular with the Jihadists/alQaeda types.  Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the infamous Jordanian so fond of sawing off heads, is a huge proponent of avoiding all things Bid’ah.  In fact, he believes (like most of his ilk) that civilisation should revert back to a 14th Century technological level so as to remain holy in the eyes of G-d.

Don’t get caught up in some luddite version of hipster-technoratis.  Instead, encourage the proliferation of technology, especially if it serves to increase connectivity between individuals and their community.

So, i say:  “Down with Bid’ah!!!!”
Embrace technology, promote technology, and never forget to apply reason.  All else is futile.

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