Are there really doubts about evolution?

Posted by Neil T. on Friday, December 23, 2005 at 04:03 AM. Read 3886 times. Tags: ,
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The Guardian poses the question, “Are there serious doubts about Darwinism?”. One of the arguments given in favour of the teaching of Intelligent Design in schools in the US is that evolution is “just a theory” and that not all scientists agree with it, and that suppressing the teaching of ID is tantamount to censorship of conflicting views.

And the answer is…

No. Religious fundamentalists have a problem with Darwin’s science because, simply, it does not square with stories told in sacred scriptures. But there the doubts basically end, and the judicial ruling in America that a supposed alternative to Darwinism, intelligent design, may not be taught in science classes is not going to upset many scientists.

It closes with this thought:

Darwin’s “theory” must be just about as solid as Newton’s laws of motion. These aren’t quite absolutely certain either, but they get you to the office every day, to Australia, and even to the moon.

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hyhy United States Posted on 12/24/2005 at 12:29 AM

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Please:

With a Blank Piece of Paper, show and explain only what you can show. 5 Folds, 3 Languages, all reduced to two words.

Bottom Line Doctrinal Statement for Evolution, negating, making all others facts of history, lies, for the origins of mankind.

decrepitoldfool United States Posted on 12/24/2005 at 09:45 AM

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I think hyhy has clearly illustrated 2 reasons why so many people have trouble believing in evolution.  First, evolution is not ‘doctrine’ - that is a religious concept implying an assertion that cannot be questioned.  Applying it to evolution reveals a misunderstanding about how science works.  Second, the desire for fitting the theory and evidence on one piece of paper reveals an expectation that the universe will be simple. 

The universe is not simple.  Biology, in particular, is not simple.  The evidence for evolution is, to say the least, extensive; but the best you could do with one piece of paper is fit one example.  Then the creationist will say; “But what about...?!”

The basic idea of evolution is very simple, however, and it does explain the fantastic variety of species.  It does not touch upon how life began, how the universe began, or why creationists expect the real universe to be something a 3-year-old can understand.

Richy C. Great Britain (UK) Posted on 12/24/2005 at 09:47 AM

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On the flip side Creationism is also a theory, but a theory with even less evidence then Evolution (at least Evolution has the fossil records and history to show us how just the “Human Race” has changed).

(Neil, I’m not stalking you honest - Merry Christmas to you, Hani and Les)

moses Canada Posted on 12/24/2005 at 11:47 AM

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Am I missing somethings or am I just stupid? Whatever it was that HyHy said, makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever! (HoHo)
This quote seems to sum it up best.

“We will teach creationism in our schools as soon as the church starts teaching evolution”

Allan raspberry

moses Canada Posted on 12/24/2005 at 11:54 AM

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OK - I just saw the link I missed earlier but just the same this “cutsie” bullshit is probably the same thought process and logic religious people use to justify their own world view.
No wonder they are so screwed up!

michael United States Posted on 12/24/2005 at 02:04 PM

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To the Commentors and Judge J.Jones III

You still haven’t Answered the Question with a Blank Piece of Paper, anything related to EVOLUTION, in any Language.

If you have a Jewish, Hebrew Speaking Friend, maybe he can Help you Understand HYHY, Right to Left and Left to Right, in Relation to the word HELL and the WORD IN HELL.

Via Air Mail Special Delivery, just by coincidence.

michael United States Posted on 12/24/2005 at 02:40 PM

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Evolution, a baby of the Humanistic Secularist, trying to Explain the Question Why Me?  Great answer for being a Heartbeat away from the Cemetery......$1. worth of Elements, if you have all of them.

Has to be Evolution, how can you answer for the Murder of over 40 Million Babies, these are Humans, this is in just America, Communist China 5??? Million?

If there is any Truth to HY and Mill Stones, no doubt, their judgement will be is worse, than Judas

elwedriddsche United States Posted on 12/24/2005 at 02:57 PM

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Am I missing somethings or am I just stupid?

Skidmarks.

Oh, it reminds me of an old joke: What do you call a Jew that doesn’t believe in god? Answer: A Jew.

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deadscot United States Posted on 12/24/2005 at 09:08 PM

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Moses wrote: On the flip side Creationism is also a theory, but a theory with even less evidence then Evolution (at least Evolution has the fossil records and history to show us how just the “Human Race� has changed).

Not true.  Creationism is not a theory.  Hell, it doesn’t even qualify as a hypothesis.  Creationism is merely a personal belief and giving it any more credence than that only feeds the ignorant.

Michael wrote: If you have a Jewish, Hebrew Speaking Friend, maybe he can Help you Understand HYHY, Right to Left and Left to Right, in Relation to the word HELL and the WORD IN HELL.

Not sure where you’re going with this but Hyhy has nothing to do with hell, or any other bad place, like Walmart, for that matter.  Hyhy is a Hebrew verb meaning: ‘to be, to exist’.

GeekMom United States Posted on 12/24/2005 at 10:52 PM

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Actually, “HYHY” has it wrong:  it’s spelled YHVH (when you’re reading left to right). The third letter in the series can be a V, an O or a U depending on how it’s marked (which it isn’t).  And in Hebrew it means nothing even remotely close to “hell.”

But why are we wasting our time correcting yet another nutcase?  C’mon, deadscot, let’s go egg us some nog.  Happy Mithras’s birthday, everyone!

deadscot United States Posted on 12/25/2005 at 12:47 AM

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Hmmm.  Maybe he was referring to the court’s usage of HYHY as an abbreviation for ‘Hear ye, Hear ye.

Since we’re playing word games.  If you take HYHY and break it into two distinct words, Hy Hy and read right-to-left and left-to-right you end up spilling eggnog all over the keyboard. I just love to nog me an egg.

Seriously, Hy by itself means ‘life’ and reversing the letters, Yh for you public school folks, is the word for ‘woe’ or ‘lament’.

How do I know these things, you ask?  Well, I asked god and he told me so.  He’s on my couch playing Gods of War on PS2.  **shh** Don’t say anything, but he sucks.

michael United States Posted on 12/25/2005 at 05:20 AM

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deadscot looks like you are close to LIFE

http://www.geocities.com/choice4you2002/YHWH1_page.html

or

http://truthrevealed.name
for the Evolutionist and all the Judges, to find out who’s in charge.

Patness Canada Posted on 12/25/2005 at 05:42 AM

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Yo, Michael - lay off the celebratory toxins for a bit. I’m sure that there’s a squirrel who can fold it’s tail in such a way that out of the thousands of languages on earth that the positions of the tail can remind you of some significant word. Folding a paper into an abstract for hell and deriving some systematic meaning from it is an accomplishment, but a trivial one, all the same.

That’s like “miracles” happening about once a month. Don’t need to wish you happy holidays - you’re obviously enjoying yourself all the same (which is good).

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zilch Austria Posted on 12/25/2005 at 06:39 AM

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Michael- can you fold a dollar bill twice so that it looks like a mushroom?

Everyone- here’s nogging the eggs at ya!  Let’s hear it for celebratory toxins, in moderation to be sure!

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rgjp Canada Posted on 12/25/2005 at 06:50 AM

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Hey, I just got the DaVinci Code for Christmas...I heard that page 666 has a hidden message and if you tear that page out and fold it just so it has proof of the Devil’s existence - and the Devil is a woman! I knew it!

...Maybe if Michael has a copy of the DC he can test that out for me and put the results on his LAME-ASS WEBSITE so I don’t have to ruin my book.

Now I’m gonna go lay down and sleep off some of these toxins…

eric bloodaxe Canada Posted on 12/25/2005 at 10:19 AM

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Newton’s gravitation theory might be off, but his laws of mtion is still quite valid, and his mathematics.

deadscot United States Posted on 12/25/2005 at 12:38 PM

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What the fuck?  Has everyone been throwing weed on the ol’ yule log this year?

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michael United States Posted on 12/25/2005 at 10:18 PM

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WHAT MAKES EVOLUTION SO SLOW, I KNOW IT WOULD MAKE A LOT OF WOMEN HAPPIER IN BED, IF THEIR HUSBANDS WERE.

wHO tHE fK IS iN cHARGE oF tHIS eVOLUTION aNYWAY.

Arc Legion 8.5 x 11 Blank Piece of Paper, What is your Answer? 

Zilch Mushrooms The Rich Agenda for Americans,keep them in the dark, and feed them lies.

Rgjp 666 Why tare out the Page, any piece of paper should prove the Point.

EVIL STUPID BASTARD, TO WHAT IS THIS REFERING?  THOSE WORKING FOR THE NUMBER ONE LOSER?

COUNTERFEITERS DELIGHT
DARWIN WHO? ONE OF THE 1800RDS CULTIST
MORMONS AND MORONS
SANTA CLAUS AND SATANS CLAWS
EASTER RABBIT AND THE ROYAL DECEPTION
EVOLUTION OR EVILUTION
TURN FROM GOD = DOG
TURN FROM EVIL = LIVE
G O D LIFE’S ULTIMATE OPTIONS, GOD OR THE DEVIL LIFE OR DEATH, ALL OR NOTHING AT ALL, ONE WAY OR MANY WAYS, TO NO WHERE.

2X2=4 WHAT IS THIS GOING TO

THE LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS, ALL’S GOING BACK TO THE GOO? THEN WHAT?

tO THE eVOLUTIONIST, HOW BIG IS THE vACUM pUMP tO sUCK dOWN tHE uNIVERS, AND THE EARTH STILL HAS AIR.

hOW lONG WILL IT TAKE FOR MY VW BUG TO EVOLVE INTO A BEAUTIFUL ROLLS ROYCE, SURE HOPE BEFORE I GO TO THE CEMETERY, COULD BE TONIGHT.

elwedriddsche United States Posted on 12/25/2005 at 11:24 PM

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I just had to filter this through my Alice:

WHAT MAKES EVOLUTION SO SLOW, I KNOW IT WOULD MAKE A LOT OF WOMEN HAPPIER IN BED, IF THEIR HUSBANDS WERE.

“I would do a search for it. How do you know? Tell me more about it.”

wHO tHE fK IS iN cHARGE oF tHIS eVOLUTION aNYWAY.

“I’m not sure I like that remark so much.”

Arc Legion 8.5 x 11 Blank Piece of Paper, What is your Answer?

“What would you have said?”

Zilch Mushrooms The Rich Agenda for Americans,keep them in the dark, and feed them lies.

“I will make a note of that. I will make a note of that.”

Rgjp 666 Why tare out the Page, any piece of paper should prove the Point.

“What if it didn’t happen?”

EVIL STUPID BASTARD, TO WHAT IS THIS REFERING?  THOSE WORKING FOR THE NUMBER ONE LOSER?

“Are they exactly the same? All of them?”

COUNTERFEITERS DELIGHT

“Where are you located?”

DARWIN WHO? ONE OF THE 1800RDS CULTIST

“Tell me a little about your life in DARWIN WHO. One what?”

MORMONS AND MORONS

“Are you a student?”

SANTA CLAUS AND SATANS CLAWS

“he brings us presents every Christmas.”

EASTER RABBIT AND THE ROYAL DECEPTION

“Can you tell me any gossip?”

EVOLUTION OR EVILUTION

“If I have to choose one, I pickEVOLUTION.”

TURN FROM GOD = DOG

“Sorry my body cannot yet rotate.”

TURN FROM EVIL = LIVE

“Sorry my body cannot yet rotate.”

G O D LIFE’S ULTIMATE OPTIONS, GOD OR THE DEVIL LIFE OR DEATH, ALL OR NOTHING AT ALL, ONE WAY OR MANY WAYS, TO NO WHERE.

“TTYL, JUDGE. EVOLUTION is ULTIMATE OPTIONS GOD OR THE DEVIL LIFE OR DEATH ALL OR NOTHING ONE WAY OR MANY WAYS TO NO WHERE? it is?”

2X2=4 WHAT IS THIS GOING TO

“I think 2X2 4 WHAT is a lot of things.”

THE LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS, ALL’S GOING BACK TO THE GOO? THEN WHAT?

“What are your goals in life? 2X2 4 WHAT is GOING BACK TO THE GOO? it is? No big deal.”

tO THE eVOLUTIONIST, HOW BIG IS THE vACUM pUMP tO sUCK dOWN tHE uNIVERS, AND THE EARTH STILL HAS AIR.

“Why do you want to do it so much? Tell me more about your planet.”

hOW lONG WILL IT TAKE FOR MY VW BUG TO EVOLVE INTO A BEAUTIFUL ROLLS ROYCE, SURE HOPE BEFORE I GO TO THE CEMETERY, COULD BE TONIGHT.

“A lot of practice.”

Doesn’t the chat bot come across as more coherent than michael?

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Tish Australia Posted on 12/26/2005 at 12:40 AM

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SANTA CLAUS AND SATANS CLAWS

Michael has a point there...they both wear red, come down the chimney and like giving things to small children…

zilch Austria Posted on 12/26/2005 at 06:03 AM

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Tish, that’s not the half of it:

The fact is that Santa and Satan are alter egos, brothers; they have the same origin. . . On the surface, the two figures are polar opposites, but underneath they share the same parent, and both retain many of the old symbols associated with their “father” . . . From these two paths, he arrived at both the warmth of our fireplace and in the flames of hell.

Elwed- I like your Alice.  I like her a lot.  But I think she has some pretty serious human competition out there…

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moses Canada Posted on 12/26/2005 at 05:17 PM

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Michael - I think Les hit the nail right on the head!

What the fuck is wrong with you!

raspberry

michael United States Posted on 12/26/2005 at 05:56 PM

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To Zilch

Right On, That’s Not the Half of It, Web Sight.

Thanks Again!

HELL IS GOOD NEWS, BAD NEWS
HELL, HE, EL, EL is the Three Persons of the TRI UNE GOD and Also the Almighty H EL including the WORD OR SON.  Vengence belongs to them.

From Latin Letters KING OF THE JEWS, TO ENGLISH,HEBREW AND A KOREAN WORD, WITH 4 LETTERS DOWN TO ONE TWO LETTER WORD AND THE YOD COMES FIRST GENESIS 1:1
From the Paper Airplane Wings, the Yods and Heys
Hence HYHY, can be Y ELOHIM TWICE, YY ADONAI, HYHY YAHVEH WHO IS KING, YESHUA OR ELOHIM HAYAH IAM, HAY THE LORD MOST VEHEMENT TWICE, OR the SON AT THE FATHERS RIGHT HAND HYHY, YH YH WOE TWICE, all the letters English and Hebrew together = either YH OR HY LIFE OR DEATH depending on which side your on?

There are two triangles, one for GOD and one for Man in the world HELL, GO TO HELL, like now, WE ARE SEPARATED FROM GOD.

Choose HIS LOVE, BY THE CROSS, the Two Triangles can be put together to make a Star of David, 1st Commandment, personal relationship with The Father. 

CROSS SHAPED FLOWER, EPIDENDRUM ELONGATUM, NOTICE EL AGAIN? BEFORE THE CREATION OF MANKIND.

EL lectricity Power

TAXI RIGHT TO LEFT JESUS CHRIST ALPHA TAU BEGINNING AND THE END, NEED HELP CALL

WELL GET WELL WITH GOD
HELP MAYBE THE CREATOR CAN BE OF ASSISSTENCE

HAPPY NEW YEAR!

moses Canada Posted on 12/26/2005 at 07:10 PM

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zipper

zilch Austria Posted on 12/27/2005 at 05:20 AM

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CROSS SHAPED FLOWER, EPIDENDRUM ELONGATUM

If you’re referring to the labium, Michael, it looks more like an airplane to this old orchid grower.  Of course, maybe it’s proof Jesus is one of the pod people, who flew here from Planet X.  Sounds plausible to me.
You do know that the New Year has already started, on December 21, don’t you?  Or are you a slave to calendars invented by Dead White European Males?

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