Are intelligent design and creation science laughable?

Posted by VernR on Friday, July 23, 2004 at 09:03 AM. Read 1563 times. Tags: , ,
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Unlike Les, I seldom found much humor the the few times that I visited Creation Science web sites. However, I recently found this one, which really is good for some laughs. The pages on the Creation Science Fair, and on applying Game Theory to Christian Apologetics and are a couple of gems.

Tongue out of cheek. The July/August issue of the Skeptical Inquirer contains Matt Young’s review of the new book, Unintelligent Design, by Mark Perakh. The book provides a critical analysis of the works of of Dembreski (The Design Inference, Intelligent Design, and No Free Lunch), Johnson (Darwin on Trial and The Wedge of Truth), and Behe (Darwin’s BlackBox) as well as a number of less well known creationists. It also discusses the practice of science. Although the review is favorable, Young indicates some problems with the organization of the book, its occasional tendency toward repetition, and a couple of areas where he believes that Perakh is off the mark technicaly.

Even though much of the information in the book is available at Perakh’s web site. I ordered the book. It may just be an age thing, but, if there is a lot of reading involved, I much prefer a book or hard copy to the computer screen.

Young also mentions a couple of other books that debunk ID propositions—Ceationism’s Trojan Horse by Barbara Forrest and Paul Gross, God, the Devil and Darwin by Niall Shanks and an anthology Why Intelligent Design Fails: A Scientific Critique of the New Creationism coedited by Young and Tanner Edis. As far as I can tell none of these have been cited in posts.

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Joe P Guy United States Posted on 07/23/2004 at 11:13 AM

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Oh man, VernR, that was some funny stuff, that Christian site you linked to.

I love how angry they are about Landover Baptist.  Looks like the folks over at LB are doing their job!

Of course, my favorite part was the claim that the United States, a Christian nation, invented the Internet.  I’d hate to be the one to break it to Al Gore.

Also nice to see that the absolutely brilliant Douglas Adams is referred to as an “anti-Christian blackguard”—I’m sure he’d be pleased.

Captcha: “nothing.” Which I’m sure is exactly what Objective: Christian Ministries is going to accomplish.

Brent United States Posted on 07/23/2004 at 11:27 AM

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OBJECTIVE: Christian Ministries is a satirical site run by the same folks that run Landover Baptist and Betty Bowers.

I know, it’s hard to tell the difference sometimes. smile

Check out the “Kidz" pages and the “What should you do if you find an Atheist?” part:

If you find an Atheist in your neighborhood,
TELL A PARENT OR PASTOR RIGHT AWAY!

You may be moved to try and witness to
these poor lost souls yourself, however
AVOID TALKING TO THEM!

Atheists are often very grumpy and bitter and will lash out at children or they may even try to trick you into neglecting God’s Word.

Very advanced witnessing techniques are needed for these grouches. Let the adults handle them.

nowiser United States Posted on 07/23/2004 at 11:48 AM

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That’s so cool.  They have a satirical site that “attacks” their other satirical site?

That’s so, well, postmodern!

VernR United States Posted on 07/23/2004 at 12:46 PM

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Congratulations Brent, I was wondering how long it would take for someone to catch me out. My track record in recognizing satire isn’t all that good, and I’m not sure I would have recognized this one one my own. I found the URL in a Skeptical Inquirer article on pranks, frauds and hoaxes.

deadscot United States Posted on 07/23/2004 at 02:01 PM

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Not sure why, but while the logician/techie in me thinks this is pretty cool, another part of me finds it a tad shameful. *sigh*

GeekMom United States Posted on 07/23/2004 at 02:03 PM

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One giveaway of a really good satire site, sadly enough, is that it is usually a lot more LITERATE than the serious sites.  This is a lovely one—thanks for bringing us to the light, VernR!

Dave M. United States Posted on 07/23/2004 at 07:51 PM

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Please, please, please tell me that the “Fellowship Baptist Creation Science Fair 2001” is a joke website and not for real! Please!

Honorable Mention:
“Rocks Can’t Evolve, Where Did They Come From Mr. Darwin?” - Anna Reed (grade 6)

Please say it’s a joke!

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elwedriddsche United States Posted on 07/23/2004 at 08:01 PM

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OBJECTIVE: Christian Ministries is a satirical site run by the same folks that run Landover Baptist and Betty Bowers.

You could have fooled me.

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decrepitoldfool United States Posted on 07/23/2004 at 09:54 PM

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It did fool me.  First time I ran across Objective: Christian Ministries a couple months ago I didn’t realize it was satire.  Doh!

Only defense I can muster is that you could read almost any page off that site in some of the churches I attended in Tennessee and North Carolina, and the only response would be Amen!  Preach, brother!

Queen Millefiore United States Posted on 07/23/2004 at 11:05 PM

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This site is a hoot but the “science fair” is not as funny as it may seem. About 10 years ago I got asked by my boss if I would help to judge at a school science fair at what turned out to be a local christian school. We’re in the science business so we get asked to do that sort of thing all of the time.

It was REALLY scary.

One project on the greenhouse effect, not only was badly done and did not prove the falsity of greenhouse gasses but in the report where the student was discussing the theorized bad effects of CO2, the teacher, THAT’S RIGHT THE TEACHER, wrote in the margin “Don’t worry, God would never let this happen!”

That was the tone of the whole science fair. I saw more than one statement in answer to the “why” question in some form of “because god made it that way”.

It makes me shiver even now just thinking about the experinece.

Tish Australia Posted on 07/25/2004 at 10:47 AM

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Ah nuts! Those links just bump me to a page advertising web1000.com.
Are there any mirror sites, please?

Steve United States Posted on 07/30/2004 at 01:55 AM

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“Those links just bump me to a page advertising web1000.com.”

Yeah, me too.

Les United States Posted on 07/30/2004 at 06:43 AM

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Hmmm. That’s odd. I just tried them all and they all work as expected.

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decrepitoldfool United States Posted on 07/30/2004 at 09:49 AM

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Tish and Steve, when you get unexpected results from a link, your browser could be infected with some kind of hijack.  An easy way to tell is to try the links on someone else’s computer.  Good luck!

Pastor James United States Posted on 12/30/2004 at 11:55 PM

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GO SUCK A DICK YOU FUCKING HOMOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Larkinsjapn Japan Posted on 12/31/2004 at 12:20 AM

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Well from the bighting satire of the last post I definetly get the impression that Fundies don’t believe the Supreme being has a sense of humor!!
But anyone who has ever seen middle aged men in a golf locker room knows that God does indeed have a sense of humor.
Happy New Year to Les and the great ironist of seb.

mike Canada Posted on 05/08/2005 at 01:11 AM

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web1000 is a free hosting website that is only open to north americans.... it doesnt have ads, so it pays for costs by 404 redirects for people not in north america.

Genesis 2:18-20
god parades animals around to see which adam wants as his wife. lol and SICK!

Sadie Jane United States Posted on 12/13/2005 at 04:06 PM

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Personally, I’m with George Carlin when he noted that “creation science” is an oxymoron.

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zilch Austria Posted on 12/14/2005 at 02:38 AM

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Here’s an updated link for the Creation Science Fair, which also works outside of N.A.  One of the most delicious satires I’ve seen.  Here’s another prize winner from the Fair:

1st Place: “Life Doesn’t Come From Non-Life”

Patricia Lewis (grade 8) did an experiment to see if life can evolve from non-life. Patricia placed all the non-living ingredients of life - carbon (a charcoal briquet), purified water, and assorted minerals (a multi-vitamin) - into a sealed glass jar. The jar was left undisturbed, being exposed only to sunlight, for three weeks. (Patricia also prayed to God not to do anything miraculous during the course of the experiment, so as not to disqualify the findings.) No life evolved. This shows that life cannot come from non-life through natural processes.

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Michael Peacock United States Posted on 12/14/2005 at 11:20 PM

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In the better late than never category, I love the Alerts and Bulletins on the objective ministries page: The most recent “Anti-Christian” Alert is dated November, 2004, and there’s a “Cult Alert” for March, 2003.

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Sadie Jane United States Posted on 12/14/2005 at 11:27 PM

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I’ve known about ObjectiveMinistries for a while, but it’s just recently come to my attention that it’s a parody (and doesn’t that scream volumes about the wrong wing). Still, for sheer entertainment value, you can’t beat Landover Baptist (that’s my opinion,anyway). When satirizing religious psychos, sometimes it’s best that subtlety be thrown to the wind! cool grin

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zilch Austria Posted on 12/15/2005 at 02:00 AM

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Sadie, some believe that the Landover Baptists and the Objective Ministries are not competing spoofs, but done by the same people.  Pretty funny in either case.  Check out LB’s drive to shut down OM.

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decrepitoldfool United States Posted on 12/15/2005 at 12:07 PM

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For sheer parody value you can’t beat this local radio station I often listen to in the car.  They have “Christian” music and various “preachers” and some guy named James Dobson who could be straight out of the Religious Wrong, but he’s just too far out there to be real.

Oh, wait…

Sadie Jane United States Posted on 12/15/2005 at 01:28 PM

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Sadie, some believe that the Landover Baptists and the Objective Ministries are not competing spoofs, but done by the same people.

That’s probably the case. One time I googled “Landover Baptist” and, underneath the link to the site, I found another site with a link reading “Operation Shut Down Landover Baptist!” I chalked that up to some fervent Christian anti-First Amendmentism, not realizing that this was in reality none other than Objective Ministries. If they are run by the same people, then the anti-Landover Baptist stuff on the site is a stroke of comedic genius. LOL

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AntiCrank United States Posted on 10/11/2006 at 12:59 AM

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Yo guys, why so much hostility to the christians? Don’t the turban-donning, AK-47 wielding, jihad fanatics deserve more of your attention.

I mean, look what they did to our twin towers? No Baptist ever did that. Except maybe for pollute our airwaves

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