Answers in Genesis indeed…

Posted by Shaye on Friday, October 01, 2004 at 04:30 PM. Read 9011 times. Tags: ,
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A few days ago, I received one of those little books. You know the ones I mean. It said, “What REALLY happened to the Dinosaurs?“ on it. I was intrigued, “Hey, I want to know!“ and I proceeded to read it. I had the best laugh that I’d had in a long while, it was so funny.

It is written by a man named Ken Ham (it’s a very apt name) and he tries to explain the ‘mystery of dinosaurs’ and how their bones just prove creation science even more. I was going to scan the entire 40 page booklet, but I’ll just type out some of the more amusing passages, but I will be scanning the terrible and cartoony images of the dinosaurs, they are just awful.

Mr. Ham begins with, “Dinosaurs are used more than anything else to indoctrinate children and young adults in the idea of millions of years of Earth history. However the Bible gives us a framework for explaining dinosaurs in terms of thousands of years, and solving the mystery of what happened to them.“ Well, I could say this booklet is indoctrinating children and young adults into believing your nonsense, but let’s just read on.

He continues by explaining what those dirty evolutionists think, dinosaurs ‘ruled’ the earth (his exact quote) and somehow for some unbeknownst reason to any scientist they just disappeared 65 million years ago. But wait, no he says, some silly scientists think birds evolved from dinosaurs, why that’s even more absurd than a flying dragon! Or is it?

He says that obviously dinosaurs were created 6,000 years ago, as were all life forms, and that Adam lived in the same time as these (all 600… he actually believes there were 600 ‘kinds’ of dinosaurs) gentle creatures who all ate plants. But wasn’t Tyrannosaurus Rex a carnivore? Well not to worry paleontologists, because Ken Ham says that you really can’t tell what a dinosaur’s teeth say about the eating habits because you can’t even tell what skin color was by bones! He says, “Scientists generally do not dig up a dinosaur with all its flesh intact”, which is true, does this man know anything about real science? So, T-Rex ate plants like all the good animals, until someone sinned and, uh-oh! Here comes that flood.

He also says that of course scientists are wrong about explaining the origins of dinosaurs, simply because they make mistakes all the time. Look at brontosaurus, it was really an Apatosaurus skeleton with an incorrect head and labeled mistakingly. Okay, so he got us there, but science is self-correcting, once new evidence shows up it replaces the old, outdated stuff. That doesn’t necessarily mean that it was wrong, but it was human error in the case of brontosaurus.

So Noah comes, and there’s the flood, but aren’t dinosaurs too big to fit on the ark? No! says Ken Ham, there’s plenty of room on the boat. Remember, out of the 600 ‘kinds’ of dinosaur, only like four or five were actually really big. So the smaller ones got to live, and they went on the art with Noah.

Now he gets really funny. He tries to give examples in the bible where it mentions dinosaurs, he finds ones about sea monsters, and flying monsters and ties those to Mosasaurus and pterodactyls. He references a movie entitled The Great Dinosaur Mystery and explains that in all ancient cultures, they had legends about ‘dinosaur-like’ animals which the called “dragons”. From Gilgamesh (ironic he chooses an epic that a lot of Near East texts are based off of) to a book published in the 1500s, there is evidence that dinosaurs were actually dragons, now gone due to hunting by humans.

He comes back the bones and teeth thing again. “Movies like Jurassic Park and The Lost World portray most dinosaurs as aggressive meat eaters. But the mere presence of sharp teeth does not tell you how an animal behaved, or necessarily what food it ate—only what kind of teeth it had (for ripping food etc.).“ He just obliterated his own statement. Why would a plant eater need sharp teeth for ripping plants? He sites bears as a good example, “bears have teeth similar to a carnivore’s but are mostly vegetarian”. Bears are omnivores, eating whatever they can to survive. A lot of times, plants are more easily accessible than fish, or other meat. He claims that claws and fangs came about because sin was introduced and they are wicked. This guy is nuts.

Ken Ham tries to explain just why it is that dinosaurs can’t be seen anymore even though they were on the ark with Noah, and why people are still so fascinated with these creatures. He blames evolutionists (surprise) as spreading evil evolutionary propaganda to poor, little hapless Christians, who are so gullible they tend to think of dinosaurs as being ‘somewhat mysterious’. He goes on to say, “If you were to ask at the zoo why they have endangered species programs, you would probably get an answer something like this: ‘We’ve lost lots of animals from this Earth. Animals are becoming extinct all the time. Look at all the animals that are gone forever. We need to act to save the animals.‘ If you then asked, ‘Why are animals becoming extinct?‘ you might get an answer like this, ‘It’s obvious! People are killing them; lack of food; man destroying the environment; diseases; genetic problems; catastrophes like floods (HMM CONSPICUOUS!)—there are lots of reasons.‘ Ken Ham has some good examples of why animals start to fall into an extinction vortex, and ultimately end up not existing anymore, perfectly good reasons as to why the dinosaurs might have died off, except the flood one. Now Ken explains quite enthusiastically the real reason that dinos aren’t here anymore. ‘Maybe one of the reasons dinosaurs went extinct is that we didn’t start our endangered species programs early enough!‘ What a moron!

Birdosaurs? Ken Ham tries his best to debunk the theory that some dinosaurs may have evolved into birds. This man, like many others, has such a poor knowledge of how evolution works its appalling. He says dinosaurs and birds aren’t the same, birds are warm-blooded not cold-blooded like a dinosaur would be according to science. “Sadly, the secular media have become so blatant in their anti-Christian stand and pro-evolutionary propaganda that they are bold enough to make such ridiculous statements as, ‘Parrots and hummingbirds are also dinosaurs.‘ I’ve never heard that. I personally do see evidence currently that some species of dinosaurs evolved into birds, what Ken Ham fails to remember is that the Jurassic age was just one of three periods in the Mesozoic era, Cretaceous, Jurassic and Triassic. Each one of those periods is marked by significant extinction, and spanned some 500 millions years, much, much longer than humans have been around.

Ken Ham is a creation science moron, and I find his drivel funny. It’s not funny when people are stupid enough to believe it. Someone from the Answers in Genesis website wrote in about the booklet, “I wanted to thank you for sending me the package of booklets for my office. I put them out yesterday and I saw at least one patient with the ‘Dinosaur’ one in her hand. At the end of the day, the young woman who ‘floats’ on our wing was reading the ‘Does God Exist?’ booklet. She commented, ‘This is really interesting!’ Her name is Laura. I already use the Focus on the Family pamphlets in my office but had never thought of using yours. I plan to keep them in stock. People really like having literature like this in the office and I get lots of comments on them and it opens up lots of avenues for conversation. Thank you again for your ministry and thoughtfulness. — Debbie E., Oregon” How nice… looking around I think more and more that Ken Ham and people like him are retarded, and deserve to go live on the moon.

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joe United States Posted on 03/17/2005 at 09:58 AM

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I’ve heard that “free will” argument too, except it contradicts the times I’ve heard “God wanted that to happen.“ (after a tragedy) or “God has chosen a wife for you.“ (honestly, that’s been said to me) or “God works in mysterious ways.“

—Joe

elwedriddsche United States Posted on 03/17/2005 at 07:21 PM

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What’s a contradiction or ten to a True Believer?

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Kerry Green Australia Posted on 03/06/2006 at 03:59 AM

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So, if I understand it correctly, nothing went bang and became everything.  Then something that wasn’t alive just happened to become alive, and then had a few million off-spring who happened to come in all colours and flavours until we have all the life forms present on earth.  All the design and beauty and functionality around us just came about by accident. Is that it?

Obviously, that’s much more intelligent than thinking that there might be a Creator who created everything.

Everything has a cause - except the universe and life ??

Zak Japan Posted on 03/06/2006 at 05:08 AM

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Kerry,

No, you definitely do NOT understand it correctly. There are so many holes in what you write that I cannot begin to correct your understanding of cosmological and evolutionary theory.

But, what you write is very similar to something like this:

“So, if I understand it correctly, Christianity is like a ‘good cop, bad cop’ racket where God threatens to push you into hell and Jesus offers to save you, but they’re really in collusion with each other to get you to believe.“

Les United States Posted on 03/06/2006 at 07:27 AM

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Congratulations Kerry, you’ve managed to spew the same stupid arguments we’ve heard countless times already by others just as clueless as you are. You’re part of a huge and thriving club that’s been around for centuries now.

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alan Australia Posted on 03/11/2006 at 05:09 AM

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HEY DUDES,

what is this site about? coz it seems to me that u duys r all stoners or what?
Not only u u show it openly that you hate God but you also you prove him right.
And since when do you know science? Coz i didn’t think punk loosers like you have any ideea about reading….
At least evolutionists are smarter when pretending that there is no God, but you loosers opose God openly, thus prooving that He exists.smilesmile:):)
I suggest you live the opium, and other heavy stuff and get a life , AND GET BACK TO THE REAL WORLD AND READ SOME REAL SCIENCE NOT THE CRAP YOU’VE BEEN INTOXICATED WITH BY THE MEDIA

elwedriddsche United States Posted on 03/11/2006 at 11:56 AM

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Remember: Typing under the influence of religion is hazardous to your coherency and spelling accuracy.

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Sadie Jane United States Posted on 03/11/2006 at 01:04 PM

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Am I a stoner? Occasionally, yes. And yet, even when I am under the influence of recreatonal drugs such as marijuana, I am able to construct a grammatically correct sentence which does a reasonable job of utilizing proper spelling, a feat which seems to elude Alan even without the benefit of mind-altering drugs.

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leguru United States Posted on 03/11/2006 at 03:40 PM

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The pen is mightier than the sword. Man, are we in trouble with pens in the hands of Alan, et al. And they don’t even have to be registered. Go figure! LOL

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Master_of_puppets Canada Posted on 03/11/2006 at 03:50 PM

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Am I high?  Yeah, man, I’m HIGH ON LIFE!!!!
Just kidding.  Call me a narc or a square, but I’ve never touched the stuff.  I stick to alcohol when I feel I can spare a few brain cells.

The rest of you will have to forgive me for the following, but I just got back from a shift that started at 4 AM, am tired, and consequently have little patience.

Allan, I’ll put this in language you can understand:

U R teh fukhed.

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zilch Austria Posted on 03/12/2006 at 05:22 AM

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Well, after a break lengthened by a case of poison oak so bad I couldn’t type, I’m back.  Did you know that it only takes 100 nanograms of urushiol, the allergen in poison oak, to trigger a reaction?  Now that’s potency.

Ahem.  I don’t know why Kerry Green got jumped on.  Let’s look at what she/he said:

So, if I understand it correctly, nothing went bang and became everything.

Yep.  No one is sure what, if anything, “preceeded” (if time existed before matter existed, also a moot point) the singularity that went “bang”, but “nothing” is as good a guess as anything else.

Then something that wasn’t alive just happened to become alive, and then had a few million off-spring who happened to come in all colours and flavours until we have all the life forms present on earth.  All the design and beauty and functionality around us just came about by accident. Is that it?

Yep.  Of course, “just happened” and “by accident” have to be taken in the right “spirit”: chemical reactions, and mutations, are not directed or ordered; but natural selection is anything but random.

Obviously, that’s much more intelligent than thinking that there might be a Creator who created everything.

I’d say so, if by “intelligent” you mean “logical”, or “parsimonious”.

The problem is to explain all this order: where did life, design, and beauty come from?  This is indeed a poser, as Darwin said.  But to say that God created the world doesn’t answer the question, but just introduces an intermediary:  now the question becomes, where did this living, designed, beautiful God come from?  Created by SuperGod, who was created by SuperDuperGod, etc.?  Hmm.  God has always been here?  Why not say, the Universe has always been here, and get rid of an unmotivated unnecessary anthropomorphic SkyGuy?

Everything has a cause - except the universe and life ??

Here I must disagree with you, Kerry.  In the first place, we don’t know whether or not the universe has a cause, whatever you mean by that.  In the second place, your question implies that God doesn’t need a cause.  I know- He’s the “Uncaused Cause”.  Sounds catchy, but does it mean anything?  I can say that the Invisible Pink Unicorn is the “Unhorned OneHorn” too.

Sadie- I’ll go along with you, except for your implication that religion is not a mind-altering drug.

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elwedriddsche United States Posted on 03/12/2006 at 08:01 AM

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Zilch!

Sadie- I’ll go along with you, except for your implication that religion is not a mind-altering drug.

Silly Sadie.

So should religion be treated like a controlled (lack of) substance? Should churches be raided by the ATF?

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errandchild United States Posted on 03/12/2006 at 09:29 AM

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(shakes head) Kerry, Kerry, Kerry. Why must people like yourself be so simple. If you truly wish to learn, then seek and ye shall find.

There is a website called Google. type In “Origins of the Universe” and then see what you may find. It’s amazing what things one can learn if they simply apply themselves and wish to be enlightened.

The problem is that many folks prefer to live in ignorance never wanting their delicate brainwashed view of the world to be shattered. Don’t be one of these people Kerry.

Sadie Jane United States Posted on 03/12/2006 at 01:30 PM

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Zilch/Elwed: You are absolutely correct to insinuate that organized religion is the most pervasive mind-altering “drug” that has ever been manufactured and refined by humanity. Unlike most other drugs, it does not appear to be found in nature, and while most users of mild recreational drugs typically are only affected when high, the goal of organized religion is to manifest itself in every waking aspect of its users’ lives.

However, the troll in question—Alan—questioned whether we were all “stoners,“ seeming to imply that anyone who believes in evolution has effectively turned away from “God” and must therefore be a stoner. Clearly Alan was intimating that being a “stoner” is ungodly, perhaps even as evil as believing in “devilution!“ The irony of Alan’s words reveals itself by the fact that many people, even when stoned, are more coherent than True Believers are any time of day. Alan surely thought that he was being clever by comparing us to evil “stoners,“ yet the fact that many of us here at SEB consider people like Alan to be constantly experiencing drug-like delusions has probably never even occurred to him.

No less of an authority than Karl Marx analogized organized religion to drugs (opiates). Sort of food for thought for soldiers in the “War on Drugs” (many of whom are right-wing religioids) to chew upon, huh?

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Consigliere United States Posted on 03/12/2006 at 07:39 PM

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No less of an authority than Karl Marx analogized organized religion to drugs (opiates).

Yep.  No less is right.  Can’t get much less of an authority on anything than Marx. grin

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Sadie Jane United States Posted on 03/12/2006 at 08:30 PM

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Now, now, Consi. Don’t smart-mouth me, boy. LOL

Regardless of one’s personal views on him or his most famous manifesto, Marx was undoubtedly a genius, a revolutionary thinker (no pun intended). Though I do not agree with everything that he had to say (and in many ways history has proven him flat-out wrong), the guy did speak quite a few words of wisdom, most notably (in my opinion) his “opiate of the masses” quote.

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Consigliere United States Posted on 03/12/2006 at 11:06 PM

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I’ve been spanked.  red face

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To die one’s self is a thing that must be easy, & light of consequence; but to lose a part of one’s self—well, we know how deep that pang goes, we who have suffered that disaster, received that wound which cannot heal.
Mark Twain- Letter to Will Bowen, 11/4/1888

zilch Austria Posted on 03/13/2006 at 01:31 AM

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Sadie says

Unlike most other drugs, it [religion] does not appear to be found in nature

While religion per se does not seem to be found in nature (although I’m pretty sure my guinea pigs worship me, at least at mealtimes), religiosity, or degree  of religious feeling, does seem to be heritable to some extent.  Recent studies of twins raised apart show that perhaps 40% of the variability in religiosity in adults (praying, going to church, etc.) is genetic, and thus “natural”.

Of course, the “supernatural” works this way as well:  original sin is heritable, Cain’s sin was heritable unto the seventh generation, and the iniquity of the fathers is visited on the sons to the third and fourth generation.  So it’s not surprising that religiosity is heritable too.

This is a mite problematic for the concepts of free will and God’s benevolence…  But who ever said God had to be fair?

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nowiser United States Posted on 03/13/2006 at 09:51 AM

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I’ve been spanked.

  red face

Unless she dressed up as a nurse, and you’ve got video, that’s just TMI.

snake

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elwedriddsche United States Posted on 03/13/2006 at 09:58 AM

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Come to think of it, it’s more entertaining to talk about spanking nurses than religion. In reference to another thread, what about bare-breasted nurses on bicycles doing drive-by spankings?

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nowiser United States Posted on 03/13/2006 at 10:05 AM

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. . .on bicycles doing drive-by spankings

Yum.  Peddle-by swattings.  Consi and Elwed sure know how to feed my phant’sy!

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Kysstfafm United States Posted on 03/13/2006 at 10:07 AM

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Is it time to “fan the flames” yet again? How about this, “should ‘religious belief’ be permitted to be taught to ‘developing individuals’ below the age of consent?“ (Atheism - sort of the “jeet kun do” of beliefs, the belief that is no belief - excluded by reason of sanity?) There’s one possible reason for inheritance of belief, conscription by parental influence. RAH was right-on about that one, “spoon fed to us before we learned reason.“ Can a parents’ morality be taught to its offspring in “belief-neutral” terms until they are mature enough to decide on “belief” and continued “moral growth” on their own?

Ulfrekr United States Posted on 03/13/2006 at 10:36 AM

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I just wanted to remind everyone of how awesome the Jack Chick tracts are, because no one’s mentioned them here in a while. I pop over to his website from time to time, and I just noticed that you have the option of looking at the tracts in numerous languages. For example, you can check them out in “English-African”. I desperately hoped this meant they were written in jive, but in fact they’re identical to those in normal English- just redrawn with black characters. They tracts are also a great resource for brushing up on your language skills. Anyone can talk like a crazy fundamentalist- but can you do it in Icelandic?

Kysstfafm United States Posted on 03/13/2006 at 10:42 AM

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Whoops, I misspelled “Jeet Kune Do.“

Kysstfafm United States Posted on 03/13/2006 at 10:52 AM

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External reference for anyone curious about JKD:

http://members.tripod.com/straightblast/

Jeet Kune Do is not a new style of kung-fu or karate. Bruce Lee did not invent a new art composite style, nor did he modify a style to set it apart from any existing method. His concept was to free his followers from clinging to any style, pattern, or mold.

The total picture Lee wanted to present to his pupils was that above everything else, the puplils must find their own way to truth. He never hesitated to say, ‘Your truth is not my truth; my truth is not yours’.

Bruce did not leave a blueprint, but rather a series of guidelines to lead one to proficiency. In using training equipment, there was a systematic approach in which one could develop speed, distance, power, time, coordination, endurance and footwork.

But Jeet Kune Do was not an end in itself for Bruce—Nor was it a mere by-product of his martial studies; it was a means to self discovery. JKD was a prescription for personal growth; it was an investigation of freedom—freedom not only to act naturally and effectively in combat, but in life. In life, we absorb what is useful and reject what is useless, and add to experience what is specifically our own.

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