Answers in Genesis indeed…

Posted by Shaye on Friday, October 01, 2004 at 04:30 PM. Read 9009 times. Tags: ,
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A few days ago, I received one of those little books. You know the ones I mean. It said, “What REALLY happened to the Dinosaurs?“ on it. I was intrigued, “Hey, I want to know!“ and I proceeded to read it. I had the best laugh that I’d had in a long while, it was so funny.

It is written by a man named Ken Ham (it’s a very apt name) and he tries to explain the ‘mystery of dinosaurs’ and how their bones just prove creation science even more. I was going to scan the entire 40 page booklet, but I’ll just type out some of the more amusing passages, but I will be scanning the terrible and cartoony images of the dinosaurs, they are just awful.

Mr. Ham begins with, “Dinosaurs are used more than anything else to indoctrinate children and young adults in the idea of millions of years of Earth history. However the Bible gives us a framework for explaining dinosaurs in terms of thousands of years, and solving the mystery of what happened to them.“ Well, I could say this booklet is indoctrinating children and young adults into believing your nonsense, but let’s just read on.

He continues by explaining what those dirty evolutionists think, dinosaurs ‘ruled’ the earth (his exact quote) and somehow for some unbeknownst reason to any scientist they just disappeared 65 million years ago. But wait, no he says, some silly scientists think birds evolved from dinosaurs, why that’s even more absurd than a flying dragon! Or is it?

He says that obviously dinosaurs were created 6,000 years ago, as were all life forms, and that Adam lived in the same time as these (all 600… he actually believes there were 600 ‘kinds’ of dinosaurs) gentle creatures who all ate plants. But wasn’t Tyrannosaurus Rex a carnivore? Well not to worry paleontologists, because Ken Ham says that you really can’t tell what a dinosaur’s teeth say about the eating habits because you can’t even tell what skin color was by bones! He says, “Scientists generally do not dig up a dinosaur with all its flesh intact”, which is true, does this man know anything about real science? So, T-Rex ate plants like all the good animals, until someone sinned and, uh-oh! Here comes that flood.

He also says that of course scientists are wrong about explaining the origins of dinosaurs, simply because they make mistakes all the time. Look at brontosaurus, it was really an Apatosaurus skeleton with an incorrect head and labeled mistakingly. Okay, so he got us there, but science is self-correcting, once new evidence shows up it replaces the old, outdated stuff. That doesn’t necessarily mean that it was wrong, but it was human error in the case of brontosaurus.

So Noah comes, and there’s the flood, but aren’t dinosaurs too big to fit on the ark? No! says Ken Ham, there’s plenty of room on the boat. Remember, out of the 600 ‘kinds’ of dinosaur, only like four or five were actually really big. So the smaller ones got to live, and they went on the art with Noah.

Now he gets really funny. He tries to give examples in the bible where it mentions dinosaurs, he finds ones about sea monsters, and flying monsters and ties those to Mosasaurus and pterodactyls. He references a movie entitled The Great Dinosaur Mystery and explains that in all ancient cultures, they had legends about ‘dinosaur-like’ animals which the called “dragons”. From Gilgamesh (ironic he chooses an epic that a lot of Near East texts are based off of) to a book published in the 1500s, there is evidence that dinosaurs were actually dragons, now gone due to hunting by humans.

He comes back the bones and teeth thing again. “Movies like Jurassic Park and The Lost World portray most dinosaurs as aggressive meat eaters. But the mere presence of sharp teeth does not tell you how an animal behaved, or necessarily what food it ate—only what kind of teeth it had (for ripping food etc.).“ He just obliterated his own statement. Why would a plant eater need sharp teeth for ripping plants? He sites bears as a good example, “bears have teeth similar to a carnivore’s but are mostly vegetarian”. Bears are omnivores, eating whatever they can to survive. A lot of times, plants are more easily accessible than fish, or other meat. He claims that claws and fangs came about because sin was introduced and they are wicked. This guy is nuts.

Ken Ham tries to explain just why it is that dinosaurs can’t be seen anymore even though they were on the ark with Noah, and why people are still so fascinated with these creatures. He blames evolutionists (surprise) as spreading evil evolutionary propaganda to poor, little hapless Christians, who are so gullible they tend to think of dinosaurs as being ‘somewhat mysterious’. He goes on to say, “If you were to ask at the zoo why they have endangered species programs, you would probably get an answer something like this: ‘We’ve lost lots of animals from this Earth. Animals are becoming extinct all the time. Look at all the animals that are gone forever. We need to act to save the animals.‘ If you then asked, ‘Why are animals becoming extinct?‘ you might get an answer like this, ‘It’s obvious! People are killing them; lack of food; man destroying the environment; diseases; genetic problems; catastrophes like floods (HMM CONSPICUOUS!)—there are lots of reasons.‘ Ken Ham has some good examples of why animals start to fall into an extinction vortex, and ultimately end up not existing anymore, perfectly good reasons as to why the dinosaurs might have died off, except the flood one. Now Ken explains quite enthusiastically the real reason that dinos aren’t here anymore. ‘Maybe one of the reasons dinosaurs went extinct is that we didn’t start our endangered species programs early enough!‘ What a moron!

Birdosaurs? Ken Ham tries his best to debunk the theory that some dinosaurs may have evolved into birds. This man, like many others, has such a poor knowledge of how evolution works its appalling. He says dinosaurs and birds aren’t the same, birds are warm-blooded not cold-blooded like a dinosaur would be according to science. “Sadly, the secular media have become so blatant in their anti-Christian stand and pro-evolutionary propaganda that they are bold enough to make such ridiculous statements as, ‘Parrots and hummingbirds are also dinosaurs.‘ I’ve never heard that. I personally do see evidence currently that some species of dinosaurs evolved into birds, what Ken Ham fails to remember is that the Jurassic age was just one of three periods in the Mesozoic era, Cretaceous, Jurassic and Triassic. Each one of those periods is marked by significant extinction, and spanned some 500 millions years, much, much longer than humans have been around.

Ken Ham is a creation science moron, and I find his drivel funny. It’s not funny when people are stupid enough to believe it. Someone from the Answers in Genesis website wrote in about the booklet, “I wanted to thank you for sending me the package of booklets for my office. I put them out yesterday and I saw at least one patient with the ‘Dinosaur’ one in her hand. At the end of the day, the young woman who ‘floats’ on our wing was reading the ‘Does God Exist?’ booklet. She commented, ‘This is really interesting!’ Her name is Laura. I already use the Focus on the Family pamphlets in my office but had never thought of using yours. I plan to keep them in stock. People really like having literature like this in the office and I get lots of comments on them and it opens up lots of avenues for conversation. Thank you again for your ministry and thoughtfulness. — Debbie E., Oregon” How nice… looking around I think more and more that Ken Ham and people like him are retarded, and deserve to go live on the moon.

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elwedriddsche United States Posted on 10/18/2004 at 06:34 AM

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Surely (the brain i)s at least as complicated as the eye?

Even more so, but it’s harder to commit the mousetrap fallacy due to readily identifyable parts.

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James United States Posted on 03/15/2005 at 04:11 AM

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You rag on Ken Ham as though He were the dumbest bloke to walk the face of the earth, yet I am willing to bet that he is ten times more intellectual, articulate, logical, and just plain smarter than you are or ever will be.

I say this with sincerity, because people like yourself (insulting, nonsensical evolutionists) are committed to brash, immature insults and nonsensicial ridicule rather than true discussion and debate. I imagine you do this because you realize that civil, honest dialogie is of no use to you, because you and your kind utterly fail at it. You know that ridicule and insults serve your cause far better than rational discussion.

My advice to you is:
1) open your mind up and let some rationality in.
2) tear down your defenses and insulting attitude.
3) Understand that the evolutionary dogma that you hold near and dear to your heart is pseudoscience.

If you want to believe that dinosaurs can ultimately evolve from bacterial-like organisms, then go ahead, it’s your religion; but it certainly is not science.

Rather, you and others as yourself, coat this dogmatic story with scientific terminology, exclaim how many scientists believe in it, and then claim you have a scientific fact on your hands.

Please, get real, and look at this logically.

zilch Austria Posted on 03/15/2005 at 05:05 AM

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You rag on Ken Ham as though He were the dumbest bloke to walk the face of the earth, yet I am willing to bet that he is ten times more intellectual, articulate, logical, and just plain smarter than you are or ever will be.

I guess the creationists aren’t extinct after all.  James, if you come back with a better argument for us than “get real” or “understand that evolution is pseudoscience”, we’ll be happy to engage in a real discussion with you.

Meanwhile, two questions.  Why do you refer to Ken Ham as (capitalized) “He”? Is Ken actually Christ Returned to Save Us Misbegotten Darwinists?  And second: I’m not sure whom you claim to be ten times dumber than Ken.  But let’s be conservative and say we have an average IQ of 100 here (a very low estimate, to be sure).  That would give Mr. Ham an IQ of 1000.  C’mon now- you surely don’t believe He is way smarter than Einstein, Galileo, and Bush put together, do you now?

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GeekMom United States Posted on 03/15/2005 at 08:01 AM

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You know, it’s amazing how he parrots back what skeptics have probably already said to him.  It fits perfectly:

I say this with sincerity, because people like yourself (insulting, nonsensical creationists) are committed to brash, immature insults and nonsensicial ridicule rather than true discussion and debate. I imagine you do this because you realize that civil, honest dialogie is of no use to you, because you and your kind utterly fail at it. You know that ridicule and insults serve your cause far better than rational discussion.

My advice to you is:
1) open your mind up and let some rationality in.
2) tear down your defenses and insulting attitude.
3) Understand that the creationist dogma that you hold near and dear to your heart is pseudoscience.

If you want to believe that humans were made from dust six thousand years ago, then go ahead, it’s your religion; but it certainly is not science.

Rather, you and others as yourself, coat this dogmatic story with scientific terminology, exclaim how a couple of scientists believe in it, and then claim you have a scientific fact on your hands.

Please, get real, and look at this logically.

bondservant United States Posted on 03/15/2005 at 08:35 AM

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It is a fact which should not be denied that all you can repeatedly state your opinion however many times you so desire, and it is never going to accomplish anything. You lack conflict, excitement, and meaning in real life, and so you constantly create for yourself imaginary conflict, just so you may experience the pleasure of becomming engaged in your own conflict. Video games, blogging, this type of useless debate and discussion with complete strangers—all these are merely types of escape, petty attempts to add meaning to your lives. If your lives truely had meaning elsewhere, you would not feel it necessary to continually engage in such pointless acts but would rather be contented to contain your activities to the productive.

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James, I don’t think Ken Ham is the dumbest bloke on the planet by a long shot. In fact, I tend to think that most folks who buy into creation theory are more misguided than actually stupid. It takes a certain level of creative intelligence to come up with the ham-fisted arguments that most of them use to try and debate against Evolution. Yet more often than not they manage to come up with some pretty stupid sounding arguments. I think it takes a fair amount of intelligence to sound that stupid.

I’m perfectly willing to debate the topic with you if you’d like, but so far you’re failing to impress. You show up, criticize us without giving anything in the way of an argument to show that we might be wrong, and then scamper off into the darkness once more feeling smug that you showed those evil evolutionists what’s what. You say that creationism is real science? Fine, prove it.

Bondservant, what is productive and what isn’t is largely a matter of opinion and the goals of the persons engaged in the activities. There is a certain irony in your telling us that blogging, among other things, is a meaningless and pointless activity and yet here you sit reading a blog. My life has plenty of conflict without the need for me to go out and intentionally create more and my goal here is to entertain and inform more so than just stir people up. Yes, there is a certain amount of stirring people up involved in the process, but that’s not the primary goal.

I’m not sure I see how your belief in a God figure gives your life any more meaning than mine without such a belief beyond your acceptance of the role of Divine Ass Kisser, which is essentially all the meaning your existence has under most forms of religion. Hey, if that’s all the meaning you need out of life then you should be all set, but some of us would like to think there’s more worthwhile roles for us to fill than God’s Egobooster.

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GeekMom United States Posted on 03/15/2005 at 09:58 AM

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Personally, I just don’t get enough conflict and excitement from my five-year-old, so I come here to get some more of the same, only with bigger words.  wink

KPatrickGlover United States Posted on 03/15/2005 at 11:07 AM

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Video games, blogging, this type of useless debate and discussion with complete strangers—all these are merely types of escape

Anything that exercises the brain or engages the imagination is a worthwhile activity and not simply an escape. How do you exercise your so called brain? Sitting in your pew like little sheeple, nodding in argrement as someone else tells you how to live?

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KPatrickGlover United States Posted on 03/15/2005 at 11:12 AM

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You rag on Ken Ham as though He were the dumbest bloke to walk the face of the earth, yet I am willing to bet that he is ten times more intellectual, articulate, logical, and just plain smarter than you are or ever will be.

I say this with sincerity, because people like yourself (insulting, nonsensical evolutionists) are committed to brash, immature insults and nonsensicial ridicule rather than true discussion and debate.

In the first paragraph you insult us, in the second you get upset because we insult people instead of debate them. At no point do you attempt to engage in debate.

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The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness.
An act or instance of such falseness.

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bondservant United States Posted on 03/15/2005 at 01:49 PM

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hilarious, and for your info, I only came here because your site is spamming me and I was seeing what the heck was going on, ass for kissing god’s ass (that’s a joke just in case you’re about to accuse me of spelling errors), if you look at religion that way, then really anything that we do for someone else is a kissing of the ass, so no one should do anything for anyone, we should be completely self-centered, however, most know that as a collective body of human viruses, we depend on interaction in order to survive, society is a requirement to sanity. Also, I’m not stupid, and I am fully aware that my saying that blogging is a worthless way to spend our time is in direct contradiction to what I am presently doing; however, I think that you are very wrong in your definition of the motive behind what we are doing here. I am here mainly for the sheer amusement of it, I honestly find you all to be, as I said in the beginning, hilarious. But I think that whatever you claim to the contrary, you are here for a very different reason, and that is to try to prove something. I’m not exactly sure what, evolution I suppose, but the fact remains that I’m not here for that reason. I might argue with you sometimes, but then if you were a Christian, I might take your current viewpoint just for the entertainment of arguing with you still. All said, thanks for the laughs, gtg, hope your evolving comes along nicely, let me know if you grow wings or something.

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KPatrickGlover United States Posted on 03/15/2005 at 02:02 PM

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bondservent - from your latest ranting it becomes obvious that you exercise your brain with pscyho-pharmatological drugs. You provided us with a nice long paragraph of something, but getting meaning out of it would be harder than reading James Joyce’s Ulysseus

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KPatrickGlover United States Posted on 03/15/2005 at 04:01 PM

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lol, actually it makes perfect sense if you have a brain larger than a peanut,

I have an IQ well over 160 you pinheaded moron. The only way anything you type makes sense is on heavy mediation and as for your barage of silly stupid images, get a life dude…...

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bondservant United States Posted on 03/15/2005 at 04:22 PM

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haha, whatever, you paid some pimp to tell you you had that IQ

so you need someone to explain to you what I was saying do you, ok, here, I will:

(1) blogging by it’s very nature is almost entirely pointless

(2) I didn’t come here to join your stupid little site, or really participate in any way except to amuse myself for a little while

(3) if you people weren’t socially depraved and outcast (i.e. if you actually happened to be somebody instead of being a nobody) you wouldn’t feel the need to share your stupid opinions with other people, therefore in doing so on this stupid site, you show that you are all basically a bunch of worthless losers

(4) I find it funny that you seem to care about what I say on here, oh I’m sorry, did I interrupt your little world? (i.e. the very fact that you care what I think is funny to me, since I don’t care at all what you think)

(5) your claims that what I said made no sense are entirely wrong, and appear to me to be the poor attempt by an uneducated and unintelligent person to defend his own little fantasies against someone who sees through all his little lies, seriously, wake up, you have how many years left to live, and then what, you like everyone else lead a pointless and temporary existence

(6) if you didn’t find any of the above to be even slightly humorous then I would classify you as emotionally depraved and suggest psychiatric help

(7) as for getting a life, I guarantee that I make quite a lot more money and have quite a more enjoyable life than yourself, so why don’t you just shut up

Finally: Image hosted by Photobucket.com in my opinion, you are ugly

bondservant United States Posted on 03/15/2005 at 04:28 PM

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and: I never said that I sat in a stupid pew to find meaning in my life, haha, that is pretty ridiculous

“How do you exercise your so called brain? Sitting in your pew like little sheeple, nodding in argrement as someone else tells you how to live?“

Les United States Posted on 03/15/2005 at 04:44 PM

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I see Bondservant has raised the art of being an asshole to new levels.

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KPatrickGlover United States Posted on 03/15/2005 at 08:20 PM

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haha, whatever, you paid some pimp to tell you you had that IQ

Actually, that number came from a military review board, dickhead.

(1) blogging by it’s very nature is almost entirely pointless

Falicy 1 - Anything that engages the mind is a worthwhile activity. If it makes you think, do
it.

(2) I didn’t come here to join your stupid little site, or really participate in any way except to amuse myself for a little while

Which makes me think that it’s your pointless existence that we need to be discussing here.

(3) if you people weren’t socially depraved and outcast (i.e. if you actually happened to be somebody instead of being a nobody) you wouldn’t feel the need to share your stupid opinions with other people, therefore in doing so on this stupid site, you show that you are all basically a bunch of worthless losers

Uh-huh. I happen to be one of the pillars of my local community. People come to me for help and advice on a regular basis. I have literally hundreds of friends, not just here, but scattered throughout the country. I also have a loving and supporting wife. And I just entered into negotiations with Doubleday about publishing my first mystery novel. How does that equate with “loser”?

(4) I find it funny that you seem to care about what I say on here, oh I’m sorry, did I interrupt your little world? (i.e. the very fact that you care what I think is funny to me, since I don’t care at all what you think)

Don’t misunderstand curiosity for caring. As a writer, I try to listen to what everyone has to say, not that their opinion is always worth something, sometimes they’d just make great, nonsensical characters, like yourself.

5) your claims that what I said made no sense are entirely wrong, and appear to me to be the poor attempt by an uneducated and unintelligent person to defend his own little fantasies against someone who sees through all his little lies, seriously, wake up, you have how many years left to live, and then what, you like everyone else lead a pointless and temporary existence

You’re initial post made no sense under any objective standards. It was giberish. Refering to me as unintelligent and uneducated simply means you don’t do your reading. I doubt anyone else who had read my work would use those words against me.

(6) if you didn’t find any of the above to be even slightly humorous then I would classify you as emotionally depraved and suggest psychiatric help

I’m sorry, the standard for humorous would suggest that someone, anyone, would find something that you said funny. I don’t see anyone stepping forth.

(7) as for getting a life, I guarantee that I make quite a lot more money and have quite a more enjoyable life than yourself, so why don’t you just shut up

Nastier and nastier. How can you make guarantees like that while knowing little to nothing about us. My life leaves me absolutely no commplaints, so if you’re happier that me, they must have you up on the happy farm.

Finally: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v713/violentracism/avatar.jpg in my opinion, you are ugly

Well, opinions vary, but I can think of several dozen ladies in Frankfort who’d strongly disagree with you on that one. How about showing us a picture of you, Sparky?

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zilch Austria Posted on 03/16/2005 at 01:13 AM

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bondservant is a textblog example of a poster whose comments are their own comments, and a counterexample to the notion that evolution always proceeds towards higher complexity.

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zilch Austria Posted on 03/16/2005 at 06:48 AM

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And BTW KGP,

And I just entered into negotiations with Doubleday about publishing my first mystery novel.

you will let us know when it’s available, no?

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Ragman United States Posted on 03/16/2005 at 10:38 AM

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KPatrick said: I try to listen to what everyone has to say, not that their opinion is always worth something, sometimes they’d just make great, nonsensical characters, like yourself.

If opinions could be bagged, at least bondservant’s could fertilize the lawn.

bondservant said: as for getting a life, I guarantee that I make quite a lot more money and have quite a more enjoyable life than yourself, so why don’t you just shut up

Do you sit around repeating that over and over until you believe it’s true?  Arrogant, don’t you think?

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Les United States Posted on 03/16/2005 at 03:10 PM

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Looks like I’ll just delete Bondservant’s comments from now on seeing as all he can manage is to be obnoxious. His last one was basically a cut-and-paste of this entire page. Lacking a reasonable argument he resorts to moronic pranks thinking he’s causing problems. All he’s doing is showing what an idiot he is.

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violentracism United States Posted on 03/16/2005 at 04:00 PM

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hello everyone

I am new here, I heard about this site from a message board and just thought that I would come check it out.

I am just wondering if someone could explain to me what is talked about on here, as in what is exceptable.

And I am kind of curious as to who “bondservant” is, he seems like a real jerk but I’m just wondering what the history behind all these posts is. It seems to me that there must be one.

thanks a lot, glad to be here

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Les United States Posted on 03/16/2005 at 04:09 PM

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Nice try, but we track IP addresses here. It might have worked had you and “Bondservant” not shared the same IP. What are you? 13 or something? Does your Dad know you’re playing with his PC? Grow up, schmuck.

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KPatrickGlover United States Posted on 03/16/2005 at 11:31 PM

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you will let us know when it’s available, no?

Of course I will, Zilch. I’ll be screaming it from the rooftops.

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Mr.Death Canada Posted on 03/17/2005 at 02:50 AM

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Hey i was rereading this for a chuckle and something occured to me.  If i build a machine, am i not responsible for everything that machine does?

and by the same token, if “God” made me, isnt he in effect responsible for everything i do?  Does this mean that “God” is punishing me for all the sins that he, in effect, made me commit?

zilch Austria Posted on 03/17/2005 at 04:34 AM

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Mr.Death- you are not the first one to come up with this argument.  I believe the standard Christian response is that God created us with free will, which gets God off the hook for our sins.  It’s sort of like parents being responsible for the actions of their kids, until they are eighteen and presumed adults.  Biting the apple, by this argument, made us all adults, in a funny Lamarkian inheritance of acquired characteristics sort of way.

Of course, there is a minor problem with the idea of free will- it doesn’t mix logically with the hopeful notion of an omnimax God; that is, one who is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent. Unless it’s “benevolent” for scads of Buddhists and Innuit (to pick out two groups of sinners at random) to fry in hell for God’s entertainment.  Lots of angels dancing on the head of a pin have tripped over this little entanglement of infinities.

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