Answers in Genesis indeed…

Posted by Shaye on Friday, October 01, 2004 at 04:30 PM. Read 8471 times. Tags: ,
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A few days ago, I received one of those little books. You know the ones I mean. It said, “What REALLY happened to the Dinosaurs?” on it. I was intrigued, “Hey, I want to know!” and I proceeded to read it. I had the best laugh that I’d had in a long while, it was so funny.

It is written by a man named Ken Ham (it’s a very apt name) and he tries to explain the ‘mystery of dinosaurs’ and how their bones just prove creation science even more. I was going to scan the entire 40 page booklet, but I’ll just type out some of the more amusing passages, but I will be scanning the terrible and cartoony images of the dinosaurs, they are just awful.

Mr. Ham begins with, “Dinosaurs are used more than anything else to indoctrinate children and young adults in the idea of millions of years of Earth history. However the Bible gives us a framework for explaining dinosaurs in terms of thousands of years, and solving the mystery of what happened to them.” Well, I could say this booklet is indoctrinating children and young adults into believing your nonsense, but let’s just read on.

He continues by explaining what those dirty evolutionists think, dinosaurs ‘ruled’ the earth (his exact quote) and somehow for some unbeknownst reason to any scientist they just disappeared 65 million years ago. But wait, no he says, some silly scientists think birds evolved from dinosaurs, why that’s even more absurd than a flying dragon! Or is it?

He says that obviously dinosaurs were created 6,000 years ago, as were all life forms, and that Adam lived in the same time as these (all 600… he actually believes there were 600 ‘kinds’ of dinosaurs) gentle creatures who all ate plants. But wasn’t Tyrannosaurus Rex a carnivore? Well not to worry paleontologists, because Ken Ham says that you really can’t tell what a dinosaur’s teeth say about the eating habits because you can’t even tell what skin color was by bones! He says, “Scientists generally do not dig up a dinosaur with all its flesh intact”, which is true, does this man know anything about real science? So, T-Rex ate plants like all the good animals, until someone sinned and, uh-oh! Here comes that flood.

He also says that of course scientists are wrong about explaining the origins of dinosaurs, simply because they make mistakes all the time. Look at brontosaurus, it was really an Apatosaurus skeleton with an incorrect head and labeled mistakingly. Okay, so he got us there, but science is self-correcting, once new evidence shows up it replaces the old, outdated stuff. That doesn’t necessarily mean that it was wrong, but it was human error in the case of brontosaurus.

So Noah comes, and there’s the flood, but aren’t dinosaurs too big to fit on the ark? No! says Ken Ham, there’s plenty of room on the boat. Remember, out of the 600 ‘kinds’ of dinosaur, only like four or five were actually really big. So the smaller ones got to live, and they went on the art with Noah.

Now he gets really funny. He tries to give examples in the bible where it mentions dinosaurs, he finds ones about sea monsters, and flying monsters and ties those to Mosasaurus and pterodactyls. He references a movie entitled The Great Dinosaur Mystery and explains that in all ancient cultures, they had legends about ‘dinosaur-like’ animals which the called “dragons”. From Gilgamesh (ironic he chooses an epic that a lot of Near East texts are based off of) to a book published in the 1500s, there is evidence that dinosaurs were actually dragons, now gone due to hunting by humans.

He comes back the bones and teeth thing again. “Movies like Jurassic Park and The Lost World portray most dinosaurs as aggressive meat eaters. But the mere presence of sharp teeth does not tell you how an animal behaved, or necessarily what food it ate--only what kind of teeth it had (for ripping food etc.).” He just obliterated his own statement. Why would a plant eater need sharp teeth for ripping plants? He sites bears as a good example, “bears have teeth similar to a carnivore’s but are mostly vegetarian”. Bears are omnivores, eating whatever they can to survive. A lot of times, plants are more easily accessible than fish, or other meat. He claims that claws and fangs came about because sin was introduced and they are wicked. This guy is nuts.

Ken Ham tries to explain just why it is that dinosaurs can’t be seen anymore even though they were on the ark with Noah, and why people are still so fascinated with these creatures. He blames evolutionists (surprise) as spreading evil evolutionary propaganda to poor, little hapless Christians, who are so gullible they tend to think of dinosaurs as being ‘somewhat mysterious’. He goes on to say, “If you were to ask at the zoo why they have endangered species programs, you would probably get an answer something like this: ‘We’ve lost lots of animals from this Earth. Animals are becoming extinct all the time. Look at all the animals that are gone forever. We need to act to save the animals.’ If you then asked, ‘Why are animals becoming extinct?’ you might get an answer like this, ‘It’s obvious! People are killing them; lack of food; man destroying the environment; diseases; genetic problems; catastrophes like floods (HMM CONSPICUOUS!)-- there are lots of reasons.’ Ken Ham has some good examples of why animals start to fall into an extinction vortex, and ultimately end up not existing anymore, perfectly good reasons as to why the dinosaurs might have died off, except the flood one. Now Ken explains quite enthusiastically the real reason that dinos aren’t here anymore. ‘Maybe one of the reasons dinosaurs went extinct is that we didn’t start our endangered species programs early enough!’ What a moron!

Birdosaurs? Ken Ham tries his best to debunk the theory that some dinosaurs may have evolved into birds. This man, like many others, has such a poor knowledge of how evolution works its appalling. He says dinosaurs and birds aren’t the same, birds are warm-blooded not cold-blooded like a dinosaur would be according to science. “Sadly, the secular media have become so blatant in their anti-Christian stand and pro-evolutionary propaganda that they are bold enough to make such ridiculous statements as, ‘Parrots and hummingbirds are also dinosaurs.’ I’ve never heard that. I personally do see evidence currently that some species of dinosaurs evolved into birds, what Ken Ham fails to remember is that the Jurassic age was just one of three periods in the Mesozoic era, Cretaceous, Jurassic and Triassic. Each one of those periods is marked by significant extinction, and spanned some 500 millions years, much, much longer than humans have been around.

Ken Ham is a creation science moron, and I find his drivel funny. It’s not funny when people are stupid enough to believe it. Someone from the Answers in Genesis website wrote in about the booklet, “I wanted to thank you for sending me the package of booklets for my office. I put them out yesterday and I saw at least one patient with the ‘Dinosaur’ one in her hand. At the end of the day, the young woman who ‘floats’ on our wing was reading the ‘Does God Exist?’ booklet. She commented, ‘This is really interesting!’ Her name is Laura. I already use the Focus on the Family pamphlets in my office but had never thought of using yours. I plan to keep them in stock. People really like having literature like this in the office and I get lots of comments on them and it opens up lots of avenues for conversation. Thank you again for your ministry and thoughtfulness. — Debbie E., Oregon” How nice… looking around I think more and more that Ken Ham and people like him are retarded, and deserve to go live on the moon.

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Cindi United States Posted on 10/07/2004 at 08:25 AM

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Zachary:  I was referring to people who have a blind faith. Unquestioning regardless of logic or reason.  Like you, most of the people I love and respect believe in god, but they don’t march in lock-step to it.

There is a difference between a working, realistic & compassionate belief in something and being led around by your short hairs.

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The stupid!  It burns!!

steve Canada Posted on 10/09/2004 at 10:39 PM

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if i take all of the evolutionists in the world and push them off of a high cliff, how long would it take before someone grew feathers? tongue wink

Les United States Posted on 10/09/2004 at 11:21 PM

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If I took all the dumbasses who don’t understand Evolution and shoved them off a high cliff, how long would it take before the rest of us were much happier?

Answer: Not long.

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elwedriddsche United States Posted on 10/09/2004 at 11:35 PM

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If I took all the dumbasses who don’t understand Evolution and shoved them off a high cliff,…

we should have a ramp pretty soon.

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nowiser United States Posted on 10/09/2004 at 11:56 PM

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if i take all of the evolutionists in the world and push them off of a high cliff, how long would it take before someone grew feathers?

Not all animals successfully adapt to selective pressures.  Hence, extinction.  Catastrophism is far more likely to result in extinction (for any given species) than it is to result in a speciation event.

Animals that -do- successfully speciate in response to catastrophic environmental pressures tend to be animals that already have a mutation that might not be considered beneficially adaptive in their current setting, but happens to give them the capacity to survive the catastrophic event, thus outcompeting their unmutated brethren.

I don’t know of any humans that are capable of unassisted flight, so the cliff-diving selective pressure that you propose would most probably result in an extinction level event for evolutionists -if that was the only adaptive pathway open to them-.

Fortunately, there are plenty of evolutionists (particularly among the atheist crowd) who already have an adaptive mutation to the cliff-diving scenario—(it’s a mutation that is expressed in a behavioral phenotype, rather than physical morphology).  This mutation is not universal, and is not necessarily beneficial in the evolutionists’ current environments, but I believe that it’s only a matter of time before selection pressures actually -do- begin to favor this particular mutation.  The selection pressures today (the election of Bush, the increasing intrusion of religion into personal and political spheres, the increasing tendency to reject science in favor of mythology), are only favoring this mutation slightly.  The Catastrophic cliff-diving that you are suggesting would almost surely create a speciation event within a matter of mere years.  In the end, the evolutionists that survived would be the ones that kill and eat creationists.  We’re few and far between, and we have to constantly move, because it’s currently illegal to do what we do, but it’s pretty likely that, eventually, my type of evolutionist will be the only one that survives.

Of course, the huge flocks of Creationists that roam the American plains (OK, some of them have adapted to the aridity of the Southwestern states, but the majority tend to occupy the plains) may only be able to sustain a few of the “evil-lutionist” species, but that’s just a normal effect of environmental pressures.  Ultimately, the most successful predators will be the ones that have learned how to tie a Windsor knot, wear blue blazers, and imitate the “prazejeebus” mating cry of the Creationists. 

Fortunately, most evilutionists have already mastered the art of passing, unnoticed, among the vast herds of the bewildered-beasts.  As most evolutionists have also mastered the art of reading, they are often able to quote large sections of scripture which, when combined with their understanding that Creationists are dangerous in large groups (as can be said of most dumb beasts that possess an inordinately strong ‘herd’ instinct), allows the evilutionist to blurt out random passages of gospel, sans context, in a way that convincingly camouflages them as genuine Creationists.

Yes indeed, I think there really is a future for the evilutionists of the world.

nowiser United States Posted on 10/09/2004 at 11:57 PM

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*DAMN YOU ELWED AND LES!*

damn damn damn.

I soooo wanted to be first!

(I gotta learn how to type faster)

Brock United States Posted on 10/10/2004 at 02:26 AM

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Clever Nowiser! You really don’t fit your name you know.

If I take all of the creationists in the world and push them off of a high cliff, how long would it take for just one of them to figure out that no god will be around to save any of them from going SPLAT on the ground?

nowiser United States Posted on 10/10/2004 at 02:38 AM

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*grin* Thanks for the props bro!

Although everyone else’s version had the bonus of being both succinct -and- satisfying.

The image of Creationists falling through the air, eyes tightly squeezed shut, hands pressed together before their noses, praying --just as fast as they can-- LOL.  How many Hail Marys can you recite during a 300ft drop?  And will it be enough?  I can see a whole new “Survivor” spinoff here.

I think that tonight, as I’m dozing off, I’m going to try Creationists-off-the-cliff instead of sheep-over-the-fence.

Hmm.  I’m more relaxed already!

decrepitoldfool United States Posted on 10/10/2004 at 04:13 AM

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It’s 4:00 am on a Sunday and, unable to sleep (hardly adaptive!) I wander down to my computer to find Steve’s comment and Les, Elwed, Brock & Nowiser’s hilarious responses… now I can’t stop grinning…

That’s good stuff, guys.  grin

GeekMom United States Posted on 10/10/2004 at 06:26 AM

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In the end, the evolutionists that survived would be the ones that kill and eat creationists.

BWAHAHAHAHA!!!

nowiser, I love you.  I wasn’t up quite as early as DOF (5.15 am), but it sure made my morning too.  My guffaws didn’t wake Elwed, but they startled the kids ...

Protective coloration through scripture quoting, indeed.  As the old punchline about heaven goes:  “Shhhh!  They think they’re the only ones here.”

elwedriddsche United States Posted on 10/10/2004 at 09:16 AM

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nowiser, great rendition of “cretinist versus evilution” wink Perhaps our weakness is the rationalistic fallacy, though.

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Ragman United States Posted on 10/10/2004 at 11:07 AM

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How many Hail Marys can you recite during a 300ft drop?

How many can you say in 7.8 seconds?

...see a whole new “Survivor� spinoff here.

Call it “The Shepard”.  Each week, the least pious of the flock gets damned.

steve Canada Posted on 10/12/2004 at 01:34 PM

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evolution, like creationism is a faith based belief system.  we are not capable of providing true scientific evidence for either.  as a former evolutionist, i “changed my faith”.  if i am wrong, so what.  no one will remember it 666 billion years from now, if i am right… wink

decrepitoldfool United States Posted on 10/12/2004 at 03:57 PM

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Evolution, like creationism is a faith based belief system.  we are not
capable of providing true scientific evidence for either.  as a former
evolutionist, i “changed my faith”.  if i am wrong, so what.  no one will
remember it 666 billion years from now, if i am right…

“Faith-based system” - nonsense.  Scientists are always ripping each other’s ideas to shreds, which results in very durable models.  Faith demands you don’t question, don’t touch, just believe, which results in brittle models defended by determination to remain ignorant.  I have yet to see creationist rejections of evolution evidence that didn’t amount to sticking their fingers in their ears and yelling “LaLaLaLa..!”

“If I am wrong, so what...” is Pascal’s wager, which is thoroughly debunked, not to mention intellectually dishonest.  Can you turn belief on and off like a faucet?  Is your belief totally volitional?

Yes, it makes a difference.  Human history makes a poor advertisement for “faith-based systems.”

Les United States Posted on 10/12/2004 at 04:36 PM

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What is it with the Creationists that the seem to be afraid to leave their email address in their comments? Are they all just pu… wussies or what?

I’m at the point now that I think twice before even bothering to respond if there’s no email address because they won’t get the notification that I responded and if they’re only stopping by to troll then I have better things to do.

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elwedriddsche United States Posted on 10/12/2004 at 05:07 PM

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Or better yet, move the comment into a “dumb things wusses post” thread. We could have monthly votes…

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bondservant United States Posted on 10/12/2004 at 05:59 PM

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hey Les,

I’m sure you are pretty busy, but hey, write me back sometime, like to talk some more man. Not sure if I ever gave it to you, so here it is… wouldn’t want to be one of those pu… wussies, lol. I got some questions man, but I don’t want to be all like, bothering you, so I’ll just chill till you write me, tell me you got some time. Later man,

bondservant

lykurgus Australia Posted on 10/15/2004 at 10:07 AM

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“As a self-proclaimed “atheistâ€? (let’s face it, there is no such beast) you make a lot of intolerant claims about Christianity and Creationist Science. Don’t you feel that you might be contributing to religious persecution to those who are freely practicing their religious freedom under the same Constitution that was founded for religious purposes?
Perhaps some responsibility is in order.”
“There is no reason to be ugly about this guys. All I am saying is that by spewing forth uninformed views of the Christian religion, you create a hostile environment for Christians to live in.
It’s funny to be that the liberal left claims they want tolerance for all, but by doing so they are intolerant to Christians. And that’s not to imply I know anyone here’s political agenda, just making a point.”

How predictable was that!  Three links from a site that can’t stop licking Sean Hannitys arse, and the remainder from creationist sites.  And the persecution card.  You coulda saved hours by just linking to the Creation “Science” Foundation website.

You want intolerance?  Persecution?  Hostility?  Google this…
“Danny Nalliah” “Rise Up Australia” Satan

And explain to us exactly what makes mosques, synagogues, Freemason/Buddhist/Hindu temples (and whatever else is pissing you off this week) “Satans strongholds”, and why they should be demolished?  And why lezzoes should be burned at the stake, while you’re at it.
Our Prime Mistress just got back in by doing a preference deal with him.  And our Minister for Health is a monk (Jesuit) who has an illegitemate child.  So sook up about persecution all you want, characters like these deserve it.

BTW the Epic of Gilgamesh DOES predate the manuscripts that make up Genesis.  If Christians (esp. creationists) didn’t keep themselves so willfully in the dark about the history of their own religion, they’d never dig these holes for themselves.

elwedriddsche United States Posted on 10/15/2004 at 11:29 AM

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Long time no Eric, aye? He makes me appreciate the handful of posters that are sincere in their beliefs and post their opinions for what they are worth all the more.

Why is it that some self-proclaimed Christians act like spoiled brats when they’re not getting their way?

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leguru United States Posted on 10/17/2004 at 03:24 PM

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I believe that was Eric’s que to reply, “I’m not spoiled. I’m not, I’m not, I’m not!” grin
And ditto Decrepitoldfool of 10/10. (Sorry, I’ve been out of town)

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Believe it or not! United States Posted on 10/17/2004 at 11:19 PM

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All I can say to all your comments, is WHAT about all the UNUSUAL animals in the world that could not POSSIBLY have survived through an evolution process?  Evolution takes TIME, and ALL these creatures show up DONE.. READY to go!

AND the EYE again.... if we had WAITED for it to EVOLVE into what it is today, just WHAT would have happened to the man or woman, animal, fish etc. WAITING for the eye to be DONE, just how do you LIVE like that?

elwedriddsche United States Posted on 10/17/2004 at 11:36 PM

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Another drive-by creationist without email address, but differently clued. These were “stumper” questions, right?

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Les United States Posted on 10/18/2004 at 06:28 AM

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I’ve never understood why the creationist crowd have such a fascination with the human eye. There are just as many ridiculously complex organs in the human body they could apply a similar argument to, but they seem fixated on the eye. What about a brain that’s capable of complex abstract thought and self-awareness? Surely that’s at least as complicated as the eye?

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decrepitoldfool United States Posted on 10/18/2004 at 07:00 AM

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Well, they’ve seen an eye… What I’ve never understood is how creationists can’t grasp geological timescales or astronomical distances yet freely talk about the Holy Spirit, the Kingdom of Heaven, and other products of wishful thinking.

TheJynXeD United States Posted on 10/18/2004 at 07:01 AM

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All I have to say is… “Stupid is as Stupid does.”

*Looks at the silly, undefendable comments made by drive-by Creationists and just shakes his head laughing.*

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