Answers in Genesis indeed…

Posted by Shaye on Friday, October 01, 2004 at 04:30 PM. Read 8472 times. Tags: ,
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A few days ago, I received one of those little books. You know the ones I mean. It said, “What REALLY happened to the Dinosaurs?” on it. I was intrigued, “Hey, I want to know!” and I proceeded to read it. I had the best laugh that I’d had in a long while, it was so funny.

It is written by a man named Ken Ham (it’s a very apt name) and he tries to explain the ‘mystery of dinosaurs’ and how their bones just prove creation science even more. I was going to scan the entire 40 page booklet, but I’ll just type out some of the more amusing passages, but I will be scanning the terrible and cartoony images of the dinosaurs, they are just awful.

Mr. Ham begins with, “Dinosaurs are used more than anything else to indoctrinate children and young adults in the idea of millions of years of Earth history. However the Bible gives us a framework for explaining dinosaurs in terms of thousands of years, and solving the mystery of what happened to them.” Well, I could say this booklet is indoctrinating children and young adults into believing your nonsense, but let’s just read on.

He continues by explaining what those dirty evolutionists think, dinosaurs ‘ruled’ the earth (his exact quote) and somehow for some unbeknownst reason to any scientist they just disappeared 65 million years ago. But wait, no he says, some silly scientists think birds evolved from dinosaurs, why that’s even more absurd than a flying dragon! Or is it?

He says that obviously dinosaurs were created 6,000 years ago, as were all life forms, and that Adam lived in the same time as these (all 600… he actually believes there were 600 ‘kinds’ of dinosaurs) gentle creatures who all ate plants. But wasn’t Tyrannosaurus Rex a carnivore? Well not to worry paleontologists, because Ken Ham says that you really can’t tell what a dinosaur’s teeth say about the eating habits because you can’t even tell what skin color was by bones! He says, “Scientists generally do not dig up a dinosaur with all its flesh intact”, which is true, does this man know anything about real science? So, T-Rex ate plants like all the good animals, until someone sinned and, uh-oh! Here comes that flood.

He also says that of course scientists are wrong about explaining the origins of dinosaurs, simply because they make mistakes all the time. Look at brontosaurus, it was really an Apatosaurus skeleton with an incorrect head and labeled mistakingly. Okay, so he got us there, but science is self-correcting, once new evidence shows up it replaces the old, outdated stuff. That doesn’t necessarily mean that it was wrong, but it was human error in the case of brontosaurus.

So Noah comes, and there’s the flood, but aren’t dinosaurs too big to fit on the ark? No! says Ken Ham, there’s plenty of room on the boat. Remember, out of the 600 ‘kinds’ of dinosaur, only like four or five were actually really big. So the smaller ones got to live, and they went on the art with Noah.

Now he gets really funny. He tries to give examples in the bible where it mentions dinosaurs, he finds ones about sea monsters, and flying monsters and ties those to Mosasaurus and pterodactyls. He references a movie entitled The Great Dinosaur Mystery and explains that in all ancient cultures, they had legends about ‘dinosaur-like’ animals which the called “dragons”. From Gilgamesh (ironic he chooses an epic that a lot of Near East texts are based off of) to a book published in the 1500s, there is evidence that dinosaurs were actually dragons, now gone due to hunting by humans.

He comes back the bones and teeth thing again. “Movies like Jurassic Park and The Lost World portray most dinosaurs as aggressive meat eaters. But the mere presence of sharp teeth does not tell you how an animal behaved, or necessarily what food it ate--only what kind of teeth it had (for ripping food etc.).” He just obliterated his own statement. Why would a plant eater need sharp teeth for ripping plants? He sites bears as a good example, “bears have teeth similar to a carnivore’s but are mostly vegetarian”. Bears are omnivores, eating whatever they can to survive. A lot of times, plants are more easily accessible than fish, or other meat. He claims that claws and fangs came about because sin was introduced and they are wicked. This guy is nuts.

Ken Ham tries to explain just why it is that dinosaurs can’t be seen anymore even though they were on the ark with Noah, and why people are still so fascinated with these creatures. He blames evolutionists (surprise) as spreading evil evolutionary propaganda to poor, little hapless Christians, who are so gullible they tend to think of dinosaurs as being ‘somewhat mysterious’. He goes on to say, “If you were to ask at the zoo why they have endangered species programs, you would probably get an answer something like this: ‘We’ve lost lots of animals from this Earth. Animals are becoming extinct all the time. Look at all the animals that are gone forever. We need to act to save the animals.’ If you then asked, ‘Why are animals becoming extinct?’ you might get an answer like this, ‘It’s obvious! People are killing them; lack of food; man destroying the environment; diseases; genetic problems; catastrophes like floods (HMM CONSPICUOUS!)-- there are lots of reasons.’ Ken Ham has some good examples of why animals start to fall into an extinction vortex, and ultimately end up not existing anymore, perfectly good reasons as to why the dinosaurs might have died off, except the flood one. Now Ken explains quite enthusiastically the real reason that dinos aren’t here anymore. ‘Maybe one of the reasons dinosaurs went extinct is that we didn’t start our endangered species programs early enough!’ What a moron!

Birdosaurs? Ken Ham tries his best to debunk the theory that some dinosaurs may have evolved into birds. This man, like many others, has such a poor knowledge of how evolution works its appalling. He says dinosaurs and birds aren’t the same, birds are warm-blooded not cold-blooded like a dinosaur would be according to science. “Sadly, the secular media have become so blatant in their anti-Christian stand and pro-evolutionary propaganda that they are bold enough to make such ridiculous statements as, ‘Parrots and hummingbirds are also dinosaurs.’ I’ve never heard that. I personally do see evidence currently that some species of dinosaurs evolved into birds, what Ken Ham fails to remember is that the Jurassic age was just one of three periods in the Mesozoic era, Cretaceous, Jurassic and Triassic. Each one of those periods is marked by significant extinction, and spanned some 500 millions years, much, much longer than humans have been around.

Ken Ham is a creation science moron, and I find his drivel funny. It’s not funny when people are stupid enough to believe it. Someone from the Answers in Genesis website wrote in about the booklet, “I wanted to thank you for sending me the package of booklets for my office. I put them out yesterday and I saw at least one patient with the ‘Dinosaur’ one in her hand. At the end of the day, the young woman who ‘floats’ on our wing was reading the ‘Does God Exist?’ booklet. She commented, ‘This is really interesting!’ Her name is Laura. I already use the Focus on the Family pamphlets in my office but had never thought of using yours. I plan to keep them in stock. People really like having literature like this in the office and I get lots of comments on them and it opens up lots of avenues for conversation. Thank you again for your ministry and thoughtfulness. — Debbie E., Oregon” How nice… looking around I think more and more that Ken Ham and people like him are retarded, and deserve to go live on the moon.

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Etan United States Posted on 10/01/2004 at 08:43 PM

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Jack Chick has a great pamphlet touching on this:

In The Beginning

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Ben Australia Posted on 10/01/2004 at 08:54 PM

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Ah, Ken Ham. Makes me proud to be Australian.

Zak Japan Posted on 10/01/2004 at 09:05 PM

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I love religious quackery like this! I kind of collect it, actually. Whenever the Jehova’s Witnesses come around to give me copies of the Watchtower, I eagerly accept them. I then read them on the pot, laughing all the time.

Seriously, though, stuff like this is utter fascinating. Kind of the way a strep bacterium is fascinating to an epidemiologist....

Bryan United States Posted on 10/01/2004 at 09:20 PM

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Holy religous propagainda batman.

decrepitoldfool United States Posted on 10/01/2004 at 09:23 PM

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Why do I suddenly have the urge to head for the hills?  The “flood” of creationist babble should start arriving any minute now.

Shaye United States Posted on 10/01/2004 at 10:15 PM

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Gosh, you posted it… I’m so speechless!

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leguru United States Posted on 10/01/2004 at 10:25 PM

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Is it possible “Debbie E., Oregon” is a psychiatrist? That would certainly explain her response. LOL

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PenetratingShaft United States Posted on 10/01/2004 at 11:24 PM

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Ken Ham is the Australian equivalent of Kent Hovind-----wow, even the same initials--KH!!  If i ever meet one of them in person, i might have to go Mark Chapman on their ass.  No, seriously, i wouldn’t do that.  Dinosaurs are cool though.  If you ever watch an alligator or crocodile, it scares the shit out of you.  Think about an animal 5 or 10 times as big!!  Damn, it must have been amazing!  I love Godzilla too.  Get some Ray Harryhausen movies---like 1,000,000 BC with Raquel Welch--just make sure you have a kleenex near by, ok?  There are some cool dinosaurs in there too.  I’m high on dope right now.  Funny thing is, i’m smarter than either KH when i’m high on dope and they’re sober. HAHA.

Zachary Braverman Japan Posted on 10/01/2004 at 11:28 PM

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I nominate the above for funniest comment ever.

Slick United States Posted on 10/02/2004 at 02:58 AM

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I do believe in creation....but I’d like to think I’m somewhat more objective than the KH’s.  I think the answer to how things really went down is somewhere in the middle; as while evolution makes a helluva lot of sense for the most part, it fails to explain how a complex organism like an eye would come about, as it has hundreds of processes that need to happen all at the same time for it to work properly.  I do think that animals do show signs of intelligent design....but I also think Ken Ham is a lunatic. 

I also find it interesting that he didn’t include any passages from Job...as they are quite possibly the most concrete evidence for dinosaurs (Leviathan, and Behemoth [and oddly enough, dragons, one of the creatures breaths fire]).  Funny thing is though, that most theologians agree that Job took place BEFORE the flood, not after.  wink

Zachary Braverman Japan Posted on 10/02/2004 at 06:10 AM

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“it fails to explain how a complex organism like an eye would come about, as it has hundreds of processes that need to happen all at the same time for it to work properly.”

The eye is extremely well understood in evolutionary theory. And, processes don’t all need to occur simultaneously for them to work. Basically, as regards to the eye, all that needs to happen is that an organism develops some surface that responds to the presence of photons. Some proto-fish, for example, that could tell the light surface of the water from the dark underneath. This can then become more specialized over eons, developing first the ability to discern gradations in light, then form, then color.

For a much better treatment of this, read Dawkins’ “Climbing Mt. Improbable,” which I think has a whole chapter on the eye. It’s a fascinating book.

Momma United States Posted on 10/02/2004 at 09:52 AM

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Well Evil One I must declare your first ‘guest’ entry to be amusing, interesting, and thought provoking.  This new feature of SEB has the potential of being a worthwhile effort.

Etan United States Posted on 10/02/2004 at 12:23 PM

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Oooh! I didn’t even realize this was a guest entry! I guess I’ll have to be checking on who the author is, more often.

tongue rolleye

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ingolfson Germany Posted on 10/02/2004 at 12:44 PM

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> Jack Chick has a great pamphlet touching on
> this:
> In The Beginning

Been reading a lot of chick tracts today. They are really funny in a ridiculous/horror story kind of way. Though you shiver sometimes - not because of the hell you are promised all the time but because of the fanatics behind such stuff.

ingolfson Germany Posted on 10/02/2004 at 12:48 PM

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As an aside: maybe its better if Les finds a way to more clearly mark ‘Guest Bastard’ entries. Maybe a slighy ‘off’ color scheme?

I find that I’m not the only one by far to miss it at first when its actually NOT Les at all posting stuff. No disrepect to the other posters, but I think this would be better.

chief United States Posted on 10/03/2004 at 02:03 AM

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Yes, some difference between colors or something to denote differences in posters would probably be useful.

I happen to be taking an Age of Dinosaurs class currently so this post served to be really interesting. I’m just wondering how Ken Ham would go about explaining the bite marks that have been found in a Triceratops hip bone that were made by a T. rex.  Oh man… just so many contradicions to state… oh well. “Ken Ham, you are a f-ing moron.” Anybody who understand that gets bonus points in my book grin.

Les United States Posted on 10/03/2004 at 01:29 PM

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OK, I’ve gone ahead and made some changes to indicate when an entry is a guest post. If you guys can’t tell the difference now then you must be blind.

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Etan United States Posted on 10/03/2004 at 01:35 PM

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Awesome!

Can’t wait for your guide on how to set this all up wink

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leguru United States Posted on 10/03/2004 at 10:57 PM

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Les,

Whatever happened to the avatars? Some of them were really good. Have they become dinosaurs? wink

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It is the great secret.” LAO-TZU

decrepitoldfool United States Posted on 10/04/2004 at 05:28 AM

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Ingolfson, you can order the complete set of Jack Chick pamphlets for something like $10.  I did that a few years ago and seem to have acquired a permanent subscription to all new ones, and been placed on some really amusing mailing lists.

elwedriddsche United States Posted on 10/04/2004 at 07:39 AM

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you can order the complete set of Jack Chick pamphlets for something like $10.  I did that a few years ago

What possessed you? wink

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decrepitoldfool United States Posted on 10/04/2004 at 07:57 AM

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Entertainment!  Those things are FUNNY!  And, kind of sad.  But FUNNY!

Etan United States Posted on 10/04/2004 at 08:03 AM

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I prefer to read them online, for free, and not give Jack Chick my money.

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decrepitoldfool United States Posted on 10/04/2004 at 08:06 AM

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Oh, believe me; he’s spent a lot more than $10 sending me newsletters and new tracts.  cool grin

elwedriddsche United States Posted on 10/04/2004 at 08:22 AM

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Entertainment!  Those things are FUNNY!

he’s spent a lot more than $10 sending me newsletters and new tracts.

Fair enough wink

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