An example of how the Christian meme can mess up your thinking.

Posted by Les on Monday, November 28, 2005 at 11:01 PM. Read 2450 times. Tags: ,
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I was tooling around on Elwed’s blog where he was commenting on a Christian blogger by the name of John Bartlett who was ruminating on an atheist bumper sticker he had seen the other day:

“Proud to be an Atheist”

..was printed on the bumper sticker I followed for several stop lights a few weeks ago. It was on a pick-up truck driven by a man in his mid-30’s. I guess it shouldn’t shock me, but yep… it shocks me that someone could believe there was no God. As I followed his truck on my way home from work I just prayed for him. I didn’t know what else to do (although I did think about getting into a wreck with him so that I could try and work God into the ensuing conversation). I wanted to talk to him to see if I could reason with him.

If only he knew what I and so many others know to be true.
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I feel such a passion for this. I’m totally serious here… I was actually trying to figure out how I could talk to this guy! If I didn’t think he’d punch me for wrecking his truck I probably would’ve done it!

That’s some pretty bad gotta-proselytize jonesing going on if you’re actually considering getting into a traffic accident just to try and convert someone. Mr. Bartlett later says he wouldn’t ever actually cause a wreck just to preach in the comments that follow the entry, but then why claim in the last sentence that he was totally serious and only stayed his hand because of fear he’d get punched out?

Why the big desire to try and convert others from so many Christians? I used to just write it off as them following what the Bible says in terms of going out and witnessing to others, but when you get passionate statements like the one from Mr. Bartlett there has to be something more to it than just following God’s directions behind it all. It’s things like that which make it a lot easier to accept the theory that Christianity is a particularly virulent form of meme. It’s not enough to be content in the feelings of wonderfulness that such a deeply held belief brings about, they have to validate their beliefs by convincing others to join in on the delusion. They tell themselves they simply want others to know the immense peace and love and happiness a relationship with Jesus brings them, but if they were so damned content they wouldn’t need the external validation their witnessing is meant to bring about. I suspect, though I can’t prove it, that it’s lingering doubts about the stories they’ve bought into so completely that brings about this behavior.

During the course of give and take in the comments Mr. Bartlett asks the following question: “If you had the cure for cancer wouldn’t you shout it from the rooftops too? Someone else responded with the quite true statement that anyone who did have the cure for cancer wouldn’t need to shout it from the rooftops so long as other scientists could replicate the experiments and confirm the claim. Besides, there are already thousands of people who claim to have the cure for cancer out there who have just as much evidence supporting their cures as Mr. Bartlett has for his God. When they can back it up with something more than “I know in my heart that this is true” then I’ll stop to listen, but until then I’m not buying what they’re selling.

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moses Canada Posted on 11/30/2005 at 08:01 AM

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Meme’s are such persistent little entities! They never give up!
I explored them to some extent in my book “God-101” (what the church doesn’t want you to know)

This is a doctrine known as exclusivist, and unfortunately, certain sects of Christianity went to great lengths to claim that they were the one true faith and the other denominations of Christianity were corrupt, (or even in league with the Anti-Christ).

To this day “Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus� (No salvation outside our Church) is still the official doctrine of the Catholic Church.

Now once it has established itself in the mind of its host, (congregation) a Meme needs to propagate itself.  Therefore, a successful Meme will contain instructions for some or all of the following:
A.Holy War-convert or kill all non-believers (Middle East, Medieval Europe)
B.Intimidation - Threaten and discriminate against unbelievers!  (Ireland, India, Pakistan, Europe, and the rest of the world!)
C. Social isolation or death to apostates.
(Middle East, Medieval Europe)
D.  Encourage believers to breed faster than believers in false Memes!  (Catholics - Islam)
E.Dis-information - spread lies about rival Memes.  Demonize them.  (All Western Religions)
F.The bigger the lie the more likely it is to be believed!
(E.g. Jews kill Gentile babies and drink their blood!  Jews were behind 9/11 Etc.)
Now here comes the good part—we have had many centuries, even millennia, to perfect this way of thinking and have it down to a science. 
(Not an “Art,� now it is to the point where it is a “Science�).
These two types of self-referential statements, “propagate me� and “I am the only truth� provide the driving force for Memes to invade the minds of their hosts and spread throughout susceptible populations.
In addition, all religious Memes contain the instructions “help people who believe in this Meme, attack people who do not�!
And there you have it; an instant recipe for religious war!

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Velvet Cyberpunk United States Posted on 11/30/2005 at 07:36 PM

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I absolutely cannot believe some people. The need to force their beliefs on others is why I can’t stand religous people. Trying to get an atheist to believe in god is like telling an amputee that if they believe, their missing limb will grow back. Insane. You believe in god? Fantastic, just don’t shove it down everyone else’s throats.

Sadie Jane United States Posted on 11/30/2005 at 07:48 PM

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You believe in god? Fantastic, just don’t shove it down everyone else’s throats.

Exactly.

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jonesy United States Posted on 12/01/2005 at 11:59 AM

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That’s some pretty bad gotta-proselytize jonesing going on

Hey, leave my name out of this…

Les United States Posted on 12/01/2005 at 01:17 PM

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It was meant in the best possible way, I assure you. grin

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sekiraO_O Australia Posted on 09/09/2006 at 10:21 PM

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“Why the big desire to try and convert others from so many Christians? I used to just write it off as them following what the Bible says in terms of going out and witnessing to others, but when you get passionate statements like the one from Mr. Bartlett there has to be something more to it than just following God’s directions behind it all.“

Christians do these things because they know that everyone who has no faith in God will go to hell. The idea upsets them so they try to get other people to believe.

LuckyJohn19 Australia Posted on 09/10/2006 at 05:21 AM

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sekiraO_O: The idea upsets them so they try to get other people to believe.

If only they were benign.  wink

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Les United States Posted on 09/10/2006 at 10:53 AM

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Christians do these things because they know that everyone who has no faith in God will go to hell.

Correction: They do these things because they

believe

that everyone who has no faith in God will go to hell. They confuse that belief with knowledge and that’s their first mistake.

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Sadie Jane United States Posted on 09/10/2006 at 12:42 PM

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Les: They confuse that belief with knowledge and that’s their first mistake.

Also, it appears that, by going out and proselytizing to the world, they may in fact be trying to convince themselves of their religion’s veracity.

To illustrate: I have a lot of gay friends, and a few years ago one of them had a straight roommate who would constantly allude to his heterosexuality, regardless of the topic at hand. Finally, my friend Joey asked him, point-blank, “Who are you trying to convince, us or yourself?“

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Chris United States Posted on 12/21/2006 at 11:28 PM

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I know it’s been a while since the last post, and it’s possible that nobody will read this, but as a former Christian I’d like to offer my opinion. Yes, I think that there are a number of Christians who proselytize out of goodwill towards others. And, from experience, I know that some do so out of doubt.

But for some, it’s simply a rush of adrenaline or a chance to build up their status as an evangelist. Think about the excitement of successfully convincing someone of a belief! It’s a big accomplishment. On top of that, many Christians believe that they will have more treasure in heaven if they’ve converted lots of people, and even more so if they die in the process. And with every convert they notch, evangelists become more and more confident that what they believe is true, which ties back into the insecurity notion.

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