It is my understanding that the whole uproar over the ten commandment sculpture was started by some lawyers who were offended by it’s location.  Who are these guys and who gives a damn if they are offended?  And what business is it for the federal government to step in?  I personally don’t see anything wrong with the sculpture or it’s location but then again, I’m not bald and stupid like some people.

It is my understanding that the whole uproar over the ten commandment sculpture was started by some lawyers who were offended by it’s location. Who are these guys and who gives a damn if they are offended?

I give a damn. You should as well. Contrary to popular belief, the three attorneys who filed the initial lawsuit aren’t atheists. They’re Christians:

Plaintiffs in the Johnson v. Hobson case are three Alabama attorneys who regularly have business in the judicial building – Melinda Maddox, Robert Beckerle and Wade Johnson. Maddox, who is a Roman Catholic, and Beckerle and Johnson, who are Southern Baptists, say the monument violates constitutional requirements and sends a message of religious exclusion to the community.—AU Press Release, December 2001

Imagine that. Christians who really are trying to do the right thing.

And what business is it for the federal government to step in?

Being a Constitutional issue it’s entirely the business of the federal government to step in.

I personally don’t see anything wrong with the sculpture or it’s location but then again, I’m not bald and stupid like some people.

I don’t know, this rant isn’t making you look too intelligent so far.

Whoah,
Religion, if you have a particular one, should be a PERSONAL thing and not one flaunted in the streets. Most religions would consider that a sin. I’m not talking about evangalization.
Now, the points Les make about preferred treatment of Christians couldn’t happen if religion was kept personal. Who would know, who would use whatever your beliefs are against you? Has this country learned nothing from its past?

Oh, and Les, I’ve heard it told “In God We Trust” was placed on the dollar to show the world we weren’t “Godless commies” during the McCarthy days and the cold war.
As a Catholic, I wish the Knights of Columbus had never placed “One nation, under God” in the pledge of allegiance.

Yeah, that’s pretty much the reason it was done, Neil.

That’s the thing some of these people just don’t seem to realize. They think that this stuff was there from the start and that makes it OK. Granted, someone should have stood up to challenge these things when they first were introduced, but it’s never too late to right a wrong.

What passed for the “age of reason” that saw the rise of the U.S. is long past.  The unabashed agnostics and deists who once represented the guiding forces of our political philosophy and leadership would not stand a chance with today’s media piety-meters, and the grossly undereducated public they service.

Jesus loves you. In fact so much so that He died for you.

Jesus is coming back soon-be ready. Get right with God or get left!

Just wanted to share that with you.

Have a blessed day!

Gina

If you believe that, then that’s just lovely. But what in the world does that have to do with the advancment of this topic? Do you really think you have provided a compelling argument for ANYTHING?

This damn thread is what brought me to this blog to begin with. I feel personally compelled to demonstrate that not everyone in AL is a bible thumping fundie with no concept of the intent of our founding fathers. That stereotype is one of the few drawbacks of living in this beautiful state. Thanks for furthering it.

Jesus loves you. In fact so much so that He died for you.

Jesus is coming back soon-be ready. Get right with God or get left!

Just wanted to share that with you.

ok....great....is this really relevant? i thought not…
honestly, this is the kind of propaganda that we all hear day after day...its not even your message, youve just heard it so many times you cant distinguish that.

There is no seperation of church and State in the US Consitution.  Jefferson Letter to a assoicate is not law.  His expressed opinion to others is no way justification for your hate against religion.  Yet activist Judges on the supreme court declared there is a seperation between church and state. This is what you should fear. Anytime a judge can over ride the congress and force his view on us could some day be against your views.  Now it is a law.  So now stop your spin.  You left wing tards are a pledge on our nation. You probable defend homosexual marriage so your can stop truth and morality by removal of free speech from schools, because it may have some religions or moral absolute that a child might learn Had I realize I was defending asshole like you I would have left the military long ago.

Howard buddy, you probably shouldn’t write here while dropping acid - it all just comes out as gobbledy-goop. Are you “in the wind” yet?

Just pop another tab and click on that link you’ve saved to the “ underage girls in bondage” porn site. No one’s gonna miss your wisdom here.

brock...not trying to “buddy up” to you or anything (not that there would be anything wrong with that), but i wander if you think this howard guy is a christian...he appears to be defending religion or the church in the church/state issue.  i know i will be accused of being judgmental, but i will go ahead and say that this guy does not have solid reasons to be defending the church. 

(not that i am better than you howard, just dont feel we are in the same camp)

I don’t know if he’s a Christian or not, but the impression I get is that he doesn’t care enough about his opinions to say them clearly and correctly. I can make out a vague value stance here and there, but mostly I was simply frustrated trying to make sense of his post.

But hey, aren’t you judging him. Several times you’ve mentioned how many here aren’t the right kind of Christians. Maybe no one is close enough to being the right kind of Christian to be worth saving.

And if you don’t get taken to Heaven, won’t you be pissed as Hell?

There is no seperation of church and State in the US Consitution

Goody! Then you should have no problem with churches giving up their tax-exempt status to gain a stake in politics like the rest of the taxpayers. Pay up!

No taxation without representation, IMO, goes the other way as well.

Howard, we’ve covered the whole “there is no separation” issue before all over this website. The facts are against you on this one. I suggest you go study early American history a bit more carefully.

And I don’t hate religion any more than I hate UFOs, unicorns, faeries or any of the other silly things people believe in that aren’t real.

It’s clear from your rant on “activist judges” that you haven’t a fucking clue just what the job of a judge is. Part of that job is to determine whether or not a particular law stands up to Constitutional standards. These judges aren’t being “activist,” they’re doing their jobs.

What the fuck does “you left wing tards are a pledge on our nation” mean? Did you mean PLAGUE? Damn, ignorant of history AND English.

Your last two statements just made me laugh. Thanks, I needed someone… er… something to laugh about today.

brock,,,do you believe in heaven?  i’ve never said anyone was not “the right kind of Christian”.  Christian is not a lable you can attain by going to church, reading your bible or posting a stace against staunch atheists. even the disciples themselves were not called christians until 30 years after the resurrection of Christ.  The never even called themselves that. actually the word christian is mentioned very few times in the bible.  now follower, believer, disciple.  christian is a word attached to people with Christ-like attributes.  i try not to call myself a Christian, i try to leave that up to others.  nor do i claim any particular denomination.  there are a lot of ways biblically to judge or make a statement, without being in sin according to the bible.  in matthew is says we will know them by their fruit, and Jesus says the world will know a follower by their love for one another.  it should be no suprise to anyone who has read the bible, that there are so many un believers in the world or so many false believers, and for that matter so many that are anti-Christ.  it is not a matter of being close enough.  you either are or your not.  may statements about howard are not meant to pronounce judgement on him like i am a higher authority or not.  it was just to have him think.

an example of judging:  if i saw you wearing gothic clothing, or acting feminine, smoking a cigarette, or washing your car on my way to church on sunday morning, i might think you were evil and wicked, a sinner on the way to hell....(those are never my thoughts, just using an example).  that would be judging in a way, that i am better than you, and judging that you are not righteous holy, whatever because of those things i saw having not actually known your heart....

on the other hand should you tell me that you hate people, everyone is an asshole that does not believe the way you do, your for same sex marriages you dont give a damn what God thinks about it, christians, Jesus, and the bible are the reasons for the worlds ills,....then i could make a sincere judgement that you were not a follower of Christ, and if you were it would be my responsibility to restore you.

As long as we have morons like howard defending religious and political ideals the safer I feel