That’s awfully funny that at the top of this page it has the headlines that read:
AFA is scared shitless of “The Golden Compass”.
Maybe you should be the one to do a self check.

There are over 20,000 manuscripts that document the New Testament dating from 100A.D.

Job 26:7 He stetches out the North over empty space; He hangs the earth on nothing.
I wonder how long it took science to catch on to the fact that the earth was hanging on nothing.

Ecclesiastes 1:6 The wind goes toward the south, and turns around to the north; the wind whirls about continually and comes again on it’s circuit.
Isaiah 40:22 It is He who sits above the circle of the earth.
Do you remember from your recent history books where man still thought the world was flat or was trying to figure out if it ever had an end to it. God was telling man it was round all along.
Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul.’
The blood carries water and nourishment to every cell, maintains the body’s temperature, and removes the waste material of the body’s cells. The blood also carries oxygen from the lungs throughout the body. In 1616, William Harvey discovered that blood circulation is the key factor in physical life—confirming what the Bible revealed 3,000 years earlier.

Job 28:25
To establish a weight for the wind,
And apportion the waters by measure.
The fact that air has weight was proven scientifically only about 300 years ago. The relative weights of air and water are needed for the efficient functioning of the world’s hydrologic cycle, which in turn sustains life on the earth.
These are just a very few of the proofs I have that my Bible is getting proven by science.

Self Check in progress: Self is Self, Check

And now, I shall read from the Book of Cerebellum, Chapter 6, starting with verse 3.

3 - And it was that the Land was invaded yet again by the Snarky, and the Unintelligent and those with No Brains for They can not countenance ones with so.

4 - And lo, they who shall be faceless behind the blue Gravatar emblem leads the fray and they are called Rick.

5 - Upon this scene did the Sweet Zombie Jesus behold and sayeth to his First Risen Lazarus “See, that which has No Brains? He is verily an abomination to mine eyes! Go forth and deliver mine displeasure unto him that he might leave mine flock be.”

6 - And swiftly did Lazarus go calling His minions to his side but, whither they arrived it was seen that Rick was not but annoyed by the Intelligence of the faithful.

7 - Forthwith did the Minions attempt to convert but it was for naught. For Rick had not a synapse, nor ganglia to imbibe.

8 - And Lazarus in His fury did reach for a brick which to smite the arrogant tard. And smite He did.

9 - But no good came of it, as the skull of Rick was to mighty even for Lazarus who called “Woe be unto us, can not mine ally Sweet Zombie Jesus find the chink in his stupidity?”

10 - And a voice replied “Forget it, he ain’t got the Brains Dad promised a door knob. Come on home, the spaghetti is ready.”

11 - And Rick, left to his own devices, eventually ranted his self out not realizing that his invisible sky daddy was being laughed at by all the other invisible sky daddies of the Universe.

And thus concludes the lesson of Rick and the arrogant rant. Refreshments are now being served in the community building including Pasta dishes for the visiting Pastafarians.

In His Decaying name we moan

Braiiiiinnnnssss

That’s awfully funny that at the top of this page it has the headlines that read:
AFA is scared shitless of “The Golden Compass”.

How does that have anything to do with the fact that you lied when you said you came here to discuss TGC?

Look at my 1st post on page one. I was responding to one of the posts ahead of mine. Posts that were discussing the books and the movie.

Bastich makes my point of not having anything REAL to say. Although he/she makes a good arguement by the intelligence level for evolution from a dumb ape. Maybe his/her family could have evolved just a couple centuries ago. Seems a good possibility due to the fact of his/her kindergarden iq level....no, most 5 year olds have more common sense than that. B
Batich you better get your book bag ready and check on your lunch account balance before the school bus leaves you. Your mom will be mad if she has to come and get you again.

You may have responded to a post that was discussing TGC but you still have never onced TGC. Plus you claimed you came here to discuss TGC.

This once again proves that you’re a lying liar who lies lyingly.

Guess we’ll see you in hell. We can discuss TGC there perhaps.

Maybe his/her family could have evolved just a couple centuries ago.

And once again you demonstrate that you have no idea what evolution means. Moron.

And once again you demonstrate that you have no idea what evolution means. Moron

And once again you have proven you only take what you want to hear from something.
In a few years his/her kid’s kid’s kid’s may be standing upright and using full understandable sentences. There’s hope there!!

No hope for you unfortunately. You have already traded in your brain for the illusion of heaven. Moron. And a self-made one at that.

I don’t think anyone spent enough time with you when you were younger. So much hostility in you. I’ll be sure and put you on our Church prayer list.

There you go again. Go sacrifice some children why dont you?

And once again you have proven you only take what you want to hear from something.

Rick:  IIRC, Eratosthenes not only “proved” that the world was a sphereoid, but also reasonably calculated its circumference of the earth in Biblical times.  If I remember Aristotle’s system of elements, air must have weight because fire rises into the air.  IIRC, only aether/quintessence has no weight because it is incorruptible.  And It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to observe that without bloodflow the flesh dies.  A caveman could pick up on that cause-and-effect pretty quickly.

Granted, the Greeks did some pretty stunning things with a woeful lack of instrumentation.  (Sadly, I can’t give an adequate shout-out to the Chinese and Indians of the same eras simply because I don’t know that much about them).  But the point is that the classical world was far more scientifically advanced than you give them credit for.  Or, more aptly, try to give to the Hebrews who penned the Bible. 

Btw: If you’re going to make flat-earth arguments, how do you explain the Devil showing Christ all the kingdoms of the world from the top of a mountain?  You can’t see South America from the top of Everest.  Spheres don’t work like that.  So for the Gospels to be correct, they would have to ignore work that was done--what?  Three centuries previous?

Or how about Joshua making the sun stand still?  The earth moves, not the sun (except in the sense that the whole solar system is moving it its arm of the traveling Milky Way).  Why didn’t Joshua make the earth stand still?

I have been summoned
I’m going to be dealing with Rick. It’s difficult to get a firm grip on where to start, particularly with his style but I won’t quote back further than P4.

Rick: Maybe you should be the one to do a self check

You don’t need to have that tone, it’s also counterproductive to your own cause because people be less willing to take in what you’re saying

I wonder how long it took science to catch on to the fact that the earth was hanging on nothing

It hangs on the gravitional pull to the sun. Also since science tries to look at observations you have to treat it seriously, at least if you want to understand or figure out how to bring it down. It cannot be denied unless you can come up with a more convincing, waterproof explanation

God was telling man it was round all along.

How did god’s words make their way into the bible in the first place? Why should we believe that the bible had any inspiration from god at all? In order for us to believe, you’ll have to answer this.

The blood carries water and nourishment to every cell, maintains the body’s temperature, and removes the waste material of the body’s cells. The blood also carries oxygen from the lungs throughout the body.

By and large I’ll accept that (though the lymphatic system has a role)
But that has nothing to do with anointment of the soul - I mean the soul isn’t even meant to be physical (if it can leave the physical world). Even then - how is something non-physical like a soul controlling a physical body? By what mechanism would it interact with the brain?

The fact that air has weight was proven scientifically only about 300 years ago. The relative weights of air and water are needed for the efficient functioning of the world’s hydrologic cycle, which in turn sustains life on the earth.

You do not need a scientific model of measuring weights, pressures, etc just to know that wind and water exist - could you imagine the early cavemen, they would have some concept of wind and water because they’re environmental factors they have to contend with

Maybe his/her family could have evolved just a couple centuries ago. Seems a good possibility due to the fact of his/her kindergarden iq level....no, most 5 year olds have more common sense than that. B
Batich you better get your book bag ready and check on your lunch account balance before the school bus leaves you. Your mom will be mad if she has to come and get you again.

This is completely unnecessary - what does it achieve?
Same goes for everything you said after that

Let us assume that Rick is sincere.  The problem appears to be he can not do that shift in viewpoint to understand our arguements.

Rick Try this.

A man approaches you. He tells you he is God come to earth.

Do you believe him?

You say how can you be sure he is God.

He replies God would not lie to you, so if he says he is god, and God doesn’t lie, he must be telling the truth. Ergo he must be God.

Does that explain our difficulty with your claims when you start quoting the bible as the source. How do we know the Bible is correct?- The bible tells us so.

What if the bible is incorrect- how could we tell?

To restate it more precisely, the fact that we’re all here standing around here arguing about it is proof that it all managed to come about by chance. It’s a curious lack of imagination that can accept an invisible man performing curious actions solely for everyone’s benefit, despite all evidence to the contrary; and can’t look at the geological and genetic proof, stare up into the sky with a telescope and look at light that’s measurably spent the better part of several thousand years to reach us, and can’t understand how vast and old the universe is. Rather than trusting observable evidence you’d rather invent some to deny it? That’s reasonable behavior in a defense lawyer, but not many places else.

Wow, I post something, go to work and look what happens. Rick, since you’ve seemed to miss the whole point in you arrogance (and yes, that’s exactly what it is) I’ll tell you what I was trying to get across. That whole post was a distillation of what you’ve been doing to us this entire time. Asinine? Yes, I’ll grant you that but it proves Julian’s point in a way I hoped you might listen to. Instead of preaching at us can you provide proof outside of the Bible? Otherwise all you’re doing is engaging in a very poor game of circular logic.

My Bible is right because it says it is and I believe it because it says it’s right.

And if those insults of yours are the best you can do I’m insulted! My 5 year old niece can do better. 

Oh and Rick, it’s he. Just thought I’d clear that up.

cubiclegrrl- you channelling me or something?  That’s pretty close to exactly what I would have said.

Rick- You claim you came here to discuss The Golden Compass. I went back to your first post and found the only allusion you made to it was tangential in the extreme:

Jesus is coming back for His people and the devil uses things like these books and movies to try and bring as many people down as possible because he knows he’s already lost.

Everything else was just more evangelizing, and has been since then as well.

My question for you: you obviously hadn’t seen the movie when you made that comment, as it hadn’t yet been released.  So- have you read The Golden Compass?  If you have, I’d like to hear your evidence that the devil is using it to bring people down (this should be fun!).  If not, your claim of wanting to discuss it here is, at best, arrogant: wanting to discuss a book you haven’t read.  If you are merely going on what other protectors of the Truth are saying about The Golden Compass, then, with all due respect, you deserve to be laughed to scorn.

Job 26:7 He stetches out the North over empty space; He hangs the earth on nothing.
I wonder how long it took science to catch on to the fact that the earth was hanging on nothing.

Story-wise, if he’s creating the universe from scratch, what the hell else is he going to hang the Earth on? He hasn’t created anything yet.

Ecclesiastes 1:6 The wind goes toward the south, and turns around to the north; the wind whirls about continually and comes again on it’s circuit.
Isaiah 40:22 It is He who sits above the circle of the earth.
Do you remember from your recent history books where man still thought the world was flat or was trying to figure out if it ever had an end to it. God was telling man it was round all along.

That first verse doesn’t really say anything about the shape of the Earth, it just says teh wind blows around. The second verse says the Earth is circular, and you know what, if you look around, the horizon IS circular.

But more importantly, who was the one clinging to the arcane, outdated notion that the earth was flat and the center of the universe? Right, the church, and they argued that to say otherwise was blasphemy.
I suppose they read the same verses you did, and interpreted them to mean quite the opposite.

Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul.’
The blood carries water and nourishment to every cell, maintains the body’s temperature, and removes the waste material of the body’s cells. The blood also carries oxygen from the lungs throughout the body. In 1616, William Harvey discovered that blood circulation is the key factor in physical life—confirming what the Bible revealed 3,000 years earlier.

That verse is so vague it could be twisted to mean anything. But most importantly, it doesn’t talk about cells, or oxygen, or nutrients, it talks about the soul.

Job 28:25
To establish a weight for the wind,
And apportion the waters by measure.
The fact that air has weight was proven scientifically only about 300 years ago. The relative weights of air and water are needed for the efficient functioning of the world’s hydrologic cycle, which in turn sustains life on the earth.

It was established ”scientifically”. That doesn’t mean it wasn’t already known well before then, it just means that they were finally able to stick a number onto it. Like the speed of light. Or DNA. Or atoms. People had known about those prior to their ”discovery”, they just didn’t have the tools to say anything more precise about them.

These are just a very few of the proofs I have that my Bible is getting proven by science.

No, this is just one more proof that some fundies are spending a lot of time looking for verses that comply with the things that have become mainstream science. Mark my words, there will come a day when fundies are frantically looking for bible verses that might be interpreted in such a way that they appear to confirm evolution. Why? Because it’s the one consistently observable trait. When it becomes too silly to stick with the current story.

At least science never made a secret of the fact it does this. Quite the contrary, when evidence contradicts the story, the story is altered to fit the new facts, rather than perpetuating a known lie. But that’s not a bad thing, it’s a good thing.

fuck.

-me if you like, just email and I’ll see if I can arrange a meet

You really have no life, do you?